Ghost Fell Off & Became Boring

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ghost post SC started to sound whiney also, im not sure what happened to his voice but although i can tolerate it, its still irritating

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Definately feeling this. I used to have big issues about this around the time the PT album dropped, and just prior to that.

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cant front on 9 mili brothers as forgetable

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Yes I can actually. That song is fucken shit and I really wish it had never been put together. To think we finally get another track with all Wu members and it's over a fucking RECYCLED DOOM BEAT! That makes me sick. On top of that the song sounds like shit.

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Also, since when does every album have to be in the same style as Ironman or Supreme Clientele to NOT be considered great?

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This is putting words in my mouth in the same fashion as SO many people on forums do when such things as this are discussed. Just because I said they were his only 2 great albums it DOES NOT at all suggest that I expect everything he releases to sound like those albums.

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he sounds like shit all whiny and slow. he use to sound so amped like he was ready 2 fuck a nigga up

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Very simply put, but yes, I absolutely agree with this. I liked the Ghost we heard on 'Da Mystery Of Chessboxin'', 'Criminology', 'Wildflower' etc. I haven't heard that for many years. Age is a motherfucker though. I'd put that down to age.

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you put him on a track with someone else, he will shine if not outshine the rest

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I really could not disagree with this more.

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i dont get the obsession with diversification or experimentation. i like experimental music alot, an artist that constantly changes what they do interests me, but experimentation for the sake of it useles if the music doesnt sound good

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Feeling this.

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take it easy noel

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Yeah sorry, I jumped the gun a bit after that first guy got upset. This thread has actually had a good response.

people like this cat above me are what is bringin down this forum.

How is someone from Ausi allowed to have an opinion on hip hop?

you can say whatever the fuck u want back, I aint comin back in this shit thread anyways

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Originally Posted by 11th Chamber

people like this cat above me are what is bringin down this forum.

How is someone from Ausi allowed to have an opinion on hip hop?

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Number 1 contradiction of '07.

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Originally Posted by noel411

Yes I can actually. That song is fucken shit and I really wish it had never been put together. To think we finally get another track with all Wu members and it's over a fucking RECYCLED DOOM BEAT! That makes me sick. On top of that the song sounds like shit.

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wow, never heard so much bs in my life. That track is absolute fire. The verses and beat are absolutely sick. after listening to most of your maddening commentary on this thread, I conclude you are just a hater unwilling or unable to expand his mind or horizons. Shame on you for even starting this thread. At least ghost puts the time and effort in to try and produce a lot of material. While I agree that its not all great, I don't see in any way that ghost has fallen off. On the contrary I think he has more fans then ever before.

edit: response to 11th chamber

in terms of artist integrity:

new aussie hip hop > new us hip hop.

over here people make music they think is good, instead of music they think other people will buy.

so i think an australian opinion is as valid as any other.

continue to believe you know more than other people.

and i'm actually glad u aren't one of 'em

9 Mili Bros. should have been a great track, instead its half arsed.

cappas vesre is terrible, gzas is recycled, deck sounds terrible.

the beat is average also, and recycled.

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Originally Posted by sean michael

new aussie hip hop > new us hip hop.

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I agreed with everything but that. There are great new American hip-hop artists, better than most Aussie hip-hop in my opinion. Now if you're talking about like American 'Commercial' Rappers vs. Hilltop Hoods i would completely agree with you.

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Originally Posted by beautifulrock

wow, never heard so much bs in my life. That track is absolute fire. The verses and beat are absolutely sick.

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It's bullshit because you don't agree with my opinion on that track? I'm not allowed to think it's a poor track because you think it's tight? The beat is nice, but I got sick of recycled Doom beats a good year or so before this album dropped. And it's poorly mixed, sounds cheap, and is about the most lackluster effort a Wu fan could have expected from such a line up.

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after listening to most of your maddening commentary on this thread, I conclude you are just a hater unwilling or unable to expand his mind or horizons

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Great. You're absolutely entitled to conclude whatever you want. I can tell you that this is a fairly poor conclusion though. People seem to think that just because I don't like Ghost's more recent stuff, I don't like anything that doesn't sound like early Ghost material. People ought to think more.

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Shame on you for even starting this thread. At least ghost puts the time and effort in to try and produce a lot of material. While I agree that its not all great, I don't see in any way that ghost has fallen off

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Yes Ghost puts out all this music for us to listen to and discuss, so if I wanna express my thoughts on it in an honest manner I really don't see why anybody should be bothered by it. I DO see that Ghost has fallen off, and I have every right to say so here on a Wu-Tang discussion forum.

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On the contrary I think he has more fans then ever before.

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So do I, and I expressed that in my initial post. I mentioned my being puzzled as to why people started acting more and more like Ghost was some sort of God as his product seemed to go further and further downhill. It's not just people on Wu forums I refer to, it's the hip hop community as a whole. Like I get newsletters from UGHH where they say how absolutely fantastic Ghost is and quote an average verse, whereas there is no way in hell that would have happened back in the 90's when he was dropping much better material.

yeah it was a bit of an exaggeration, i mean mainstream artists i guess, but more underground acts/cross over acts do that shit to. example = wu.

for the majority of crossover (Ghost, Meth, Jay, NaS, Mobb Deep) artists in the US it is a prerequisite to have a "radio track" or an "rnb track" on your album. this has always annoyed me alot.

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Originally Posted by sean michael

edit: response to 11th chamber

in terms of artist integrity:

new aussie hip hop > new us hip hop.

over here people make music they think is good, instead of music they think other people will buy.

so i think an australian opinion is as valid as any other.

continue to believe you know more than other people.

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You really shouldn't bother addressing comments such as the one that guy made. Here's a legendary noel411 jewel, haha...

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It's a pity to see so many people using that whole Aussie thing to discount peoples opinions on here. I guess you get that when you have a forum with so many sheep and bandwagon jumpers on it. The irony of such comments is that though the intention is to discredit my opinion, such foolishness only serves to instantly invalidate your own opinion.

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You really think you are all knowing when it comes to artistic merit don't you? So lets see he gets more and more fans but the material gets worse and worse, O.k. that makes tons of logical sense. You must be right. I wholeheartedly apologize. Don't bother to respond. I'm done with this nonsense. I'm goin to listen to more fish again

Without a doubt, he's better than most rappers out today and I still love his songs but hoenstly, SC was classic and I think we all want those days back.

Sidenote, how fucking dope would it be to have Ghost and Sean Price do an album together? That would be fucking insane.

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Originally Posted by noel411

You really shouldn't bother addressing comments such as the one that guy made. Here's a legendary noel411 jewel, haha...

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haha, thanks for dropping a gem on me,

i always know people are in trouble when they try to argue by saying "your from australia, you lost".

oh well, these people will probably never learn.

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Originally Posted by AcidPhosphate69

SC was classic and I think we all want those days back.

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I know where you're coming from. Most Wu-Tang Clan fans are the same, they want 8 Diagrams to be like "Enter the 36 Chambers", they want all it to be like the good ole' days. I used to think like this too. Then I realized, if I wanted to listen to the Old Sound I can just pop those albums into the stereo. There's no need miss the old days, and must realize that artists are always trying to advance and not redo what they have already done.