Because you said that my claim of Arabs contributing the most to modern soceity is false, so i slapped the evidence in your faceQuote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
YOU LOSE AGAIN WHITEMAN
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Because you said that my claim of Arabs contributing the most to modern soceity is false, so i slapped the evidence in your faceQuote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
YOU LOSE AGAIN WHITEMAN
YOU CALL THAT EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT THE ARAB CONTRIBUTED THE MOST TO MODERN SOCIETY?Quote:
Originally Posted by sidious_katana
THAT'S NOT EVIDENCE.
PLEASE TELL ME, WHAT COMPARATIVE QUANTITY DID THE EGYPTIAN HAVE ON MODERN SOCIETY IN COMPARISON THE ARAB? OR HOW ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, THEY MADE VAST CONTRIBUTIONS TO MODERN SOCIETY DURING THE TIME THE ARABS WERE AT THEIR HEIGHT IN THE FIELDS OF ART AND SCIENCE. AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT WAS THE PEOPLE OF INDIA THAT THE ARABS LEARNED FROM TO MAKE THE ACHIEVEMENT THAT THEY DID.
LOOK AT THIS DUDE TRYING TO DIVERT THE TOPIC OFF OF ISLAM AND SLAVERY TO HOW ARABS DID SO MUCH. YOIU CAN'T COVER UP THAT MUCH SHIT AND PEOPLE NOT SMELL IT. ARAB/MUSLIMS WERE SLAVE TRADERS AND HOLDERS AND THEY WERE WRONG AND THERE WAS NOTHING POSITIVE ABOUT IT.
YOUR WHOLE SLAVES WITH RIGHTS IS JUST RIDICULOUS. WHAT'S MORE RIDICULOUS IS TRYING TO SAY THAT THE MUSLIMS GAVE THEIR SLAVES MORE RIGHTS THAN ANYBODY ELSE. GET THE EFF OUTTA HERE WITH THAT DUMB ASS SHIT!
OH AND SINCY YOU KNOW THE ARABS CONTRIBUTED THE MOST, HOW MUCH EXACTLY DID THEY CONTRIBUTE AND WHAT UNIT OF MEASURE ARE YOU MEASURING THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS? AND IF YOU KNOW THE ARAB CONTRIBUTED THE "MOST" THEN HOW MUCH LESS DID THE OTHER NATIONS CONTRIBUTE?
I'LL WAIT WHILE YOU CALCULATE YOU FIGURES.
IAM NOT DIVERTING NOTHING WIGGABOY, iam just explainin that the arabs did a lot for the world, you tryin to tell me i was speaking false, so i posted a lil info
you upset for some reason wigga? why dont you go and plant your head in some 5%/nation of islam propaganda and be on your sorry-ass way....
IS THIS THREAD ABOUT THE SCIENTIFIC AND ARTISTIC ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE ARAB WORLD? NOPE.Quote:
Originally Posted by sidious_katana
YOU CLAIM IS VERY SPECIFIC, ARABS CONTRIBUTED THE MOST TO MODERN SOCIETY AND THAT'S JUST FALSE.
I'M STILL WAITING FOR YOUR FIGURES TO SHOW THAT THEY ACTUALLY DID CONTRIBUTE THE MOST TO MODERN DAY SOCIETY. I'LL WAIT YET AGAIN FOR THESE MYSTEROUS FIGURES THAT YOU HAVE.
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IS THIS THREAD ABOUT THE SCIENTIFIC AND ARTISTIC ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE ARAB WORLD? NOPE.Quote:
Originally Posted by sidious_katana
YOU CLAIM IS VERY SPECIFIC, ARABS CONTRIBUTED THE MOST TO MODERN SOCIETY AND THAT'S JUST FALSE.
I'M STILL WAITING FOR YOUR FIGURES TO SHOW THAT THEY ACTUALLY DID CONTRIBUTE THE MOST TO MODERN DAY SOCIETY. I'LL WAIT YET AGAIN FOR THESE MYSTEROUS FIGURES THAT YOU HAVE.
AND AGAIN, THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THE ACCOMPLISHMENT OF THE ARABS, IT'S ABOUT SLAVERY AND ISLAM. STOP TRYING TO TAKE THE FOCUS OFF THE FACTS BECAUSE THE ARAB HAS BEEN CAUGHT DOING DIRT AND IT'S BEING REVEALED.
wigga your the one who denied that the arabs contributed the most to modern soceity so i droppin a bit of info, you got angry and started sayin shit as usual
iam not bringin any figures or anything else into this thread, if you want to look at un-biased history anf what history led to you go ahead, and you will find that a lot of major modern establishments were created by the arabs along with the greatest contribution to science,medicine and maths..if you dont believe me just research it, but askin whiteman to research is like asking ariel sharon what the arabs did for the jews..biased nationalistic garbage....
First off, people like you thrive in college...I dont know what you have against them.Quote:
Originally Posted by sidious_katana
Secondly, your assertion that primary sources may or may not be lies is taken into consideration. But being that it is an eyewitness account, it still has great value. But you are right, the primary source may very well be biased...
For instance, an Arab primary source might say they treated slaves better than anyone else, but who is to say they aren't lying??
YOU WON'T DO IT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO IT. I KNOW.Quote:
Originally Posted by sidious_katana
WHAT IS THE GREATEST CONTRIBUTION TO SCIENCE, MEDICINE, AND MATHEMATICS?
YOU MAKE SOME OF THE MOST OUTLANDISH CLAIMS......NOTHING BUT POSITIVE CAME OUT OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ISLAM AND SLAVERY. SLAVES WITH RIGHTS!
FIRST, FOR THE ARAB TO SAY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO KNOW HOW OTHER PEOPLE WERE TREATED. ALL SLAVES WEREN'T TREATED THE SAVE IN ANY SLAVE SYSTEM. AND ASKING THE SLAVE MASTER HOW HE TREATED THE SLAVE IS LIKE ASKING THE RAPIST HOW HE TREATED THE RAPED. WHAT DO THE SLAVES ACTUALLY SAY? THEY DO HAVE A SAY SO IN THE MATTER DON'T THEY?Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyTooch
Exactly my point. You have to assume certain things. Some sources are better than others, but to doubt everything, you might as well not even attempt to learn history. Sidious is making the mistake of only accepting what he wants to accept.
This thread did indeed spin out of control, but as with any discussion, you will have points and counter points....so get used to it i guess. Or continue to be frustrated.
or just go off topic like trying to divert the focus on the achievements that the arabs made instead of islam & slavery.
Islam and Slavery:
a slave had no right to be heard in court (testimony was forbidden by slaves), had no right to property, could marry only with permission of their owner, and was considered to be a chattel, that is the (moveable) property, of the slave owner.
Slaves were obtained through conquest, tribute from vassal states (in the first such treaty, Nubia was required to provide hundreds of male and female slaves), offspring (children of slaves were also slaves, but since many slaves were castrated this was not as common as it had been in the Roman empire), and purchase.
and at the borders of the Islamic Empire vast number of new slaves were castrated ready for sale (Islamic law did not allow mutilation of slaves, so it was done before they crossed the border). The majority of these slaves came from Europe and Africa -- there were always enterprising locals ready to kidnap or capture their fellow countrymen.
Black Africans were transported to the Islamic empire across the Sahara to Morocco and Tunisia from West Africa, from Chad to Libya, along the Nile from East Africa, and up the coast of East Africa to the Persian Gulf. This trade had been well entrenched for over 600 years before Europeans arrived, and had driven the rapid expansion of Islam across North Africa.
A Muslim slave owner was entitled by law to use slaves for sexual pleasure.
Under Arab slavery men were castrated and the women were used as sex-machines, so that over generations the offspring of the enslaved women merged into general Arab society, albeit into an inferior caste-type class of sub-species. Today we have slave descendants across the Sahara, such as the Harantines in Mauritania, to the ebony blacks in Arabia.
Mekuria Bulcha estimates that over 17 million Africans were sold to the Middle East and Asia between the sixth and twentieth centuries. In Bulcha's view the distinction between western and Islamic slavery is largely figurative. Both arrangements involved violence and cruelty as well as the devaluation of humanity.
Arab slavery is still ongoing in Africa in the Afro-Arab Borderlands. Much of the attention to contemporary Arab slavery of Africans focuses on Sudan and Mauritania but from Mali, Algeria, Niger, Libya and Chad filter through reports about slave practices.
It needs to be noted that the Arab slave trade concentrated particularly on children.
The Arabs focused and still do on children, because children are easier to re-educate and Arabise. They are also easier to capture and transport to Arabia.
whats people like me?? you want to "brand me" like you brand arabs, naaa i dont dig that...Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyTooch
Now you said you studied islamic history therefore you know how much they contibuted to
modern soceity, no matter what source any un-biased truthfull historian will tell you the same regardless of their colour or race, so at least that one thing we agree on
so what seems to be your problem?
I dont know where your geetin your info from nicky, i really dont...i dont asume shit, i look at history facts all through a logical viewpoint, assuming is not in my dictionary.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyTooch
But when it comes to learning true and balanced history, you cant be fed by the educational establishment in my point of view, cuz every country has there own history and rep it to the max, like in the uk we learnt about english history the most, with no emphasis on islamic history at all, therefore giving a one sided un balanced view of history, reppin the kings and queens to the max
dont say iam accepting what i want, where have you got that from, what did i say to make you think that..please show me...