Is Immortal Technique a douche?

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Originally Posted by ShaolinDarts

Belfalo, please read this. You seem to hear only what you want to hear. You quote Rza but then what about "Peace Saddam/www.mastakilla.com" - Masta Killa or where Raekwon refers to Wu Tang as 9 Bin Ladens. Raekwon has also made various comments gloryfying 5%er's and various dictators. Is that not glorifying? Or is it just that your a wu fan so they can't do anything wrong?

Don't hand pick your quotes to suit your argument. Look at the whole and then answer cuz I can hand pick quotes and argue for hours but it won't mean anything.

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Where did I quoted Rza?

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Originally Posted by frosted592

Where did I quoted Rza?

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I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to Belfalo. He said that I.M. is anti-white and I was asking him to read the exact words of your post to see what I.M. had actually said.

The Rza quote was what he had used to say that Wu-Tang has never said anything that might be seen as anti-white and I was opointing out various references made by them to other governments and also to the 5%er's.

Pardon me for the confusion.

have you realized this is going nowhere?

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OmO < Idiom

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Originally Posted by frosted592

I'll only give you two example of terrorist act by the us.
Do you know the CIA are responsible for overtrowing the democracy ellected social president Allende in Chili? They put Augusto Pinochet in power and maintain him for years. Do you know what Augusto did? He did it with the US's aproval.


In Vietnam, They told them they could get anelection to decide if they want a capitalism or communist country. When the date for the election came Washington decide they couldn't afford to let them vote cuz the communist party would have won. So they send GI's to train the facism's military and tons of weapon to fight the majority's will. They did it so they wouldn't lost hands on Vietnam's ressource.

And maybe they didn't kill more than Hitler but they were still making bizness with them untill 1941, even knowing their anti-jews law

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so if the US kills a lot of people we can forget about these dictators killing even more?
i really dont care about ITs opinion on the US gov because i dont live there but if he hates these "evil oppressors" how can he praise Stalin and Castro? he could easily find a lot of other anti-americans to praise who hadnt killed millions of their own.

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Originally Posted by ShaolinDarts

Belfalo, please read this. You seem to hear only what you want to hear. You quote Rza but then what about "Peace Saddam/www.mastakilla.com" - Masta Killa or where Raekwon refers to Wu Tang as 9 Bin Ladens. Raekwon has also made various comments gloryfying 5%er's and various dictators. Is that not glorifying? Or is it just that your a wu fan so they can't do anything wrong?

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actually i couldnt care less if they called themselves snow white and the 8 dwarfs. as ive said before i dont care how rasict some rappers are as long as people dont act as if there were no anti-white racism.

kookamunga kracka killas

OmO < Idiom

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Originally Posted by belfalo

actually i couldnt care less if they called themselves snow white and the 8 dwarfs. as ive said before i dont care how rasict some rappers are as long as people dont act as if there were no anti-white racism.

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Then you shouldn't be criticisng I.M. for this exact reason. I.M makes several refernces to racism that is done by people who are not white.

Regardless of one thinks bout Immortal, he still going to remain being dope.

I had a lot to say bout Cuba but fuck it, for what?
I think its funny dudes so heated bout tech, his lyrics are obviously effective...peace

^^^People liking or hating I.M. is one thing. But only taking certain parts of his lyrics and putting them out of context and then saying that he shouldn't live in America and shit is just plain ignorant and wrong.

no doubt but these people are everywhere and aren't able to see the entire truth for what it is, and at the end of the day why drop knowledge on someone who turns a blind eye to it, anger for no reason, for ignorant reasoning is such a waste of energy all I can do is laugh...

i will make this point tho, if the abolishionists (sp?) the civil rights leaders, those who didn't agree with the fucked up policies of their times, should they have shut their mouths and moved out the country, I'm pissed about N.O. should I take a boat back to Cuba?
complacency is like a disease, there's nothing wrong with wanting to better ourselves that in itself is the "american dream"

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Originally Posted by ShaolinDarts

Then you shouldn't be criticisng I.M. for this exact reason. I.M makes several refernces to racism that is done by people who are not white.

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i have no problem with his opinion on racism and the US(i dont really care about it). i just dont understand how can he praise dictators while talking about the "evil" USA. how is a killer better then another? he wouldnt say stalin is good if he lived in the USSR...
stalin killed even more people than hitler.:\ how are these dictators better then the US gov?

oh dear. i really don't know where to start. i only wish i had caught this thread when it first occurred. i have soooo much to say.

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Originally Posted by belfalo

i have no problem with his opinion on racism and the US(i dont really care about it). i just dont understand how can he praise dictators while talking about the "evil" USA. how is a killer better then another? he wouldnt say stalin is good if he lived in the USSR...
stalin killed even more people than hitler.:\ how are these dictators better then the US gov?

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The one thing about Stalin (and every other so-called Communist leader) is that they begin to carry, or fulfill to what is to be known as "Communism", but end up fucking it up. Every single attempt to bring forth a Communist system has failed, on accountable to mans love of power. And as a result, people take that to be Communism. Every single so-called Communist state has ended up into a dictatorship, which is ironic, considering it's against the Communist ideology. The best way is not to take these people as an example of Communism, but to actually research and study the complete structure to what Communism truly is. And the obvious place to start is by reading the Communist Manifesto. by doing so you will see a very different perspective. Lets put it this way - Karl Marx would have been disgusted with Stalin.

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Originally Posted by belfalo

i have no problem with his opinion on racism and the US(i dont really care about it). i just dont understand how can he praise dictators while talking about the "evil" USA. how is a killer better then another? he wouldnt say stalin is good if he lived in the USSR...
stalin killed even more people than hitler.:\ how are these dictators better then the US gov?

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First of all he is not talking about "evil" USA. He is talking about specific people.

Stalin was a revolutionary, the son of a shoemaker who rose to become one of the most notorious people in history. Rappers take on persona's of famous people. Stalin was ruthless in that he killed his own for the objective of the greater good (in his opinion though). Thats rap - Rae makes his listeners believe he is the boss of a firm, Ghost makes his listeners believe that he is an OG who is stuck in the 70's and Immortal Technique makes people believe that he is wanting to become the next ruthless revolutionary.

All I.M. is doing is talking - more specifically provoking thought. He is excercising his right to freedom of speach.

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Originally Posted by ThaShaolinAssassin

Maybe your mouth would be a good place, for some steaming balls you fucking fag.

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called him the fag but have thoughts about him sucking balll?

Naw I think he's tired politically and needs to be educated. I'm not pro american government but I understand it enough to know that he knbows nothing but feeds yall off of sorry but just me opinion