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10-12-2009, 10:19 AM
PALEHORSE

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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

yes ones self can
regardless - would you agree that jesus does absolutely nothing here on earth for us that one cannot will oneself to do?

and another question -
do you think jesus is more concerned/ narcissistic about himself than he is about righteousness?
do you think he would frown upon a righteous and universally-loving person who disbelieves in him more than a believer of him who sins?

and why would they? its not even true.
why wouldn't someone have the ability to judge me (whether right or wrong) even though I don't judge them? any person off the street could judge me if they so wanted. i don't think being non-judgmental stops another's free will.

define "love" please (and if you can, define it exactly how jesus meant it)
and then - why is that a good thing towards enemies?
is it wrong to punish someone you love?

also - if you studied any spiritual system besides your own (so how would you know anyway lol) you'd find you are incorrect. the notion is older than jesus.

i hope you realize if one were to switch that paragraph around and have it talk about giving credit to the church and being a believer (keep the agent of satan part tho, i.m.o.) - it would describe you exactly.

peace

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Originally Posted by Visionz

how bout you look up humble in a dictionary and marinate on it for a second. And if my thinking is a sign of immaturity its only matched by your naivety. Book Deals :lmao: You don't have to steal from the collection plate when you own it.

http://www.chop.org/iaah/store/index.html
^get your DVD's now, for the low, low price of $51 :lmao: too low???, you're RIGHT that's why through this special introductory offer we've got one of me talking for $85.....that's right Jesus will come through your TV and chill on your couch and eat up all of your Planter's cheeseballs for an unbelievably low price of $85. Hurry up and act now, the insurance on my Bentley is outrageous :b

^and this is just one church and from a town of about 30,000 people. God only knows how many more are out there just like it. Ain't a damn thing humble about a dude selling you a DVD for $85 when you've got next to no overhead cost. He's probably making about $80 bucks for every one sold. :no: Its a shame.

haha. check and checkmate. but this whole buisiness model is how tv anchors, politicians and the rest of the swine operate
10-12-2009, 10:25 AM
Visionz

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Originally Posted by Koolish

damn, i guess in america Christianity has become real commercial.

i remember sitting down high yesterday, i flipped on this evangelical preacher, to see what he was trying to get across. you could tell it was a business, he's telling everyone "you are a child of destiny", not according to the Bible you're not. he's just saying what everyone wants to hear, and gets a nice cheque at the end of the day for sure.

i remember Bill Hicks talking about how much of a business evangelical preaching became. the love of money is the root of all evil they say.

i understand why a lot of americans are so against Christianity, if it's acting like that you can't help but assume the Bible itself is corrupt in the same way.

my local priest here is living in poverty, the collection plate doesn't cover anything, all it does is help so that the bishops/higher churches don't have to send us as much money.

in a way that's how it should be. not necessarily impoverished but be humble about what you're doing y'know. I mean a BENTLEY :lmao: c'mon now, you couldn't be happy with a cadillac or something :? There's a lot of wolves in sheeps clothing out there and they're feasting.

The RCC and the pope are supposed to holding down the fort till Jesus comes again right? Would Jesus be sitting on a stockpile of gold? Would Jesus be heavily invested with world banks? :nonono: :nonono: I don't trust them at all and so I have to also distrust the work that they've produced, including interpretations and the motivations they had for leaving out of the bible what they did.
10-12-2009, 03:02 PM
Mumm Ra

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Originally Posted by Visionz

in a way that's how it should be. not necessarily impoverished but be humble about what you're doing y'know. I mean a BENTLEY :lmao: c'mon now, you couldn't be happy with a cadillac or something :? There's a lot of wolves in sheeps clothing out there and they're feasting.

someone was telling me there was an episode of Operation Repo where some priest gets his multi-hundred thousand dollar car repossessed because he refused payment because "the lord provideth all things" hahahah.

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The RCC and the pope are supposed to holding down the fort till Jesus comes again right?

i think he already came back but some skank ho aborted him. or maybe he died shortly after birth in some impoverished starving 3rd world country. i mean there's only one second coming...i guess that's all we get for the rest of time.

actually i was just thinking last night how long the christian religion will wait for him. like a thousand years from now will it just be a general understanding that it didn't work out? a couple thousand more years? hmm
10-12-2009, 03:45 PM
SL33

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Originally Posted by Visionz

i I don't trust them at all and so I have to also distrust the work that they've produced, including interpretations and the motivations they had for leaving out of the bible what they did.

aight, but RCC nor the Pope didn't even exist during the compilation of the Bible.

RCC was established in 1054.

no offense 2 u Visions, but in order to discuss Christ/christianity etc you need to have basic knowledge. this is not pointed @ you...this is 4 everybody here who think that Pope is the absolute leader of the beleiving people worldwide, especially Christians...as i told you earlier this week, hundreds of millions of christians don't reckognize him as a leader, mostly eastern, Orthodox Christians. Catholicism and its ways/doctrine was established in 1054.
10-12-2009, 04:58 PM
zooruka

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Originally Posted by Visionz

how bout you look up humble in a dictionary and marinate on it for a second. And if my thinking is a sign of immaturity its only matched by your naivety. Book Deals :lmao: You don't have to steal from the collection plate when you own it.

http://www.chop.org/iaah/store/index.html
^get your DVD's now, for the low, low price of $51 :lmao: too low???, you're RIGHT that's why through this special introductory offer we've got one of me talking for $85.....that's right Jesus will come through your TV and chill on your couch and eat up all of your Planter's cheeseballs for an unbelievably low price of $85. Hurry up and act now, the insurance on my Bentley is outrageous :b

^and this is just one church and from a town of about 30,000 people. God only knows how many more are out there just like it. Ain't a damn thing humble about a dude selling you a DVD for $85 when you've got next to no overhead cost. He's probably making about $80 bucks for every one sold. :no: Its a shame.

look maybe some books are a bit expensive but what is the differance between shelling out $85 for a religious book (that may in fact help the person) or a dan brown novel... non religious books are just as expensive if not more expensive...off course these preachers want to turn a profit just like any viable business wants to do thats only natural and I dont think GOD would condem that provided that the sale is fair.... Also It`s up to the viewer or congregation if they would like to purchase the material on offer there not forced to...the price of the material doesn`t automatically show a lack of humility or greed !!!! We dont know how much It cost to manufacture the book or the other religious material and you can`t be sure that the price doesn`t reflect the cost.

really stop judging visionz and just concern yourself with the things of GOD.

peace be with you !
10-12-2009, 05:06 PM
zooruka

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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

yes ones self can
regardless - would you agree that jesus does absolutely nothing here on earth for us that one cannot will oneself to do?

umm Jesus does nothing on earth to help man recieve eternal life... what is in the new testement.????..without the teachings of JESUS and the sacrifice he made on the cross ...man could not recieve eternal life...dont you think thats somthing he did here on earth ????

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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

and another question -
do you think jesus is more concerned/ narcissistic about himself than he is about righteousness?
do you think he would frown upon a righteous and universally-loving person who disbelieves in him more than a believer of him who sins?

to tell you the truth I don`t know if righteous people who dont believe in JESUS will go to heaven ... but my personal opinion is you cant truly be righteous without believing in JESUS and his teachings... also JESUS said "not all who call him lord lord will go to heaven" so Jesus forwarned us there will be fake christians (he even said that those people will do miricales and still wont be able to get into heaven) so those people who sin and claim to believe in Jesus aren`t really his followers and are no better that the heathen or maybe even worse because they know the truth and still disobeyed.

peace be with you !
10-12-2009, 05:26 PM
Visionz

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Originally Posted by prof zooruka

look maybe some books are a bit expensive but what is the differance between shelling out $85 for a religious book (that may in fact help the person) or a dan brown novel (which is a load of garbage) non religious books are just as expensive if not more expensive...off course these preachers want to turn a profit just like any viable business wants to do... It`s up to the viewer or congregation if they would like to purchase the material on offer there not forced to...the price of the material doesn`t automatically show a lack of humility or greed !!!! also we dont know how much It cost to manufacture the book or the other religious material and you can`t be sure that the price doesn`t reflect the cost.

really stop judging visionz and just concern yourself with the things of GOD.

peace be with you !

see look at you talking out the side of your neck without actually LOOKING at what I'm talking about. That's your problem homeboy, you come in here so fucking sure of yourself that you don't even feel the need to take a look at what's actually being presented.

First of all its a DVD.......of him TALKING. I know how much blank DVDs cost, I know the more you buy at once the cheaper they get. on and on, get the fuck outta here with your naive ass think that every one that gets behind a pulpit is doing it for the right reasons.

$85 dollar for a motherfucking DVD of a dude talking is outrageously excessive any way you look at it.......that is unless your eyes have been plucked out and you're completely devoid of your god-given sense.

Humans, this planet, all things of God's creation so go fuck yourself with your hear no evil, see no evil ass wantin to play apologist for every wolf carrying a cross.
10-12-2009, 05:34 PM
zooruka

maybe it is expensive for a dvd but thats one example also thats what the preacher or lecturer has decided to sell it for...whether thats fair or not is not up to you to decide..if you dont want to buy it dont buy it, if you do then buy it....like I said GOD will judge everyone and will decide if the person acted ethically or not.... but for you to get on your high horse and start judging everyone is somthing GOD himself would not approve of.

peace be with you !
10-12-2009, 05:40 PM
Visionz

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Originally Posted by prof zooruka

maybe it is expensive for a dvd but thats one example also thats what the preacher or lecturer has decided to sell it for...whether thats fair or not is not up to you to decide..if you dont want to buy it dont buy it, if you do then buy it....like I said GOD will judge everyone and will decide if the person acted ethically or not.... but for you to get on your high horse and start judging everyone is somthing GOD himself would not approve of.

peace be with you !

:list:

but the Quran is the work of the devil right?
advocating the murdering of christians, whether that's right or wrong its not for you to decide, right?? GOD himself would not approve.
10-12-2009, 05:49 PM
zooruka

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Originally Posted by Visionz

:list:

but the Quran is the work of the devil right?
advocating the murdering of christians, whether that's right or wrong its not for you to decide, right?? GOD himself would not approve.

we are not to judge a persons motives but we are to judge a persons fruit (actions) with the word of GOD to make sure it is not contrary to the word of GOD and the teachings of JESUS CHRIST.

romans 16-17- "mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine you have learned and avoid them"

:cheerlie:

peace be with you !
10-12-2009, 06:03 PM
Visionz

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Originally Posted by prof zooruka

we are not to judge a persons motives but we are to judge a persons fruit (actions) with the word of GOD to make sure it is not contrary to the word of GOD and the teachings of JESUS CHRIST.

romans 16-17- "mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine you have learned and avoid them"

:cheerlie:

peace be with you !

selling a DVD for $85 is an action. What you're really saying is don't judge someone............as long as they call themselves christian. :thumbdwn:

Mt 21:13 And (He) said unto them: It is written "My house shall be called the house of Prayer but ye have made it into a den of thieves
10-12-2009, 06:36 PM
zooruka

romans 16-17- "mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine you have learned and avoid them"

this is talking about islam.
10-12-2009, 06:43 PM
Visionz

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Originally Posted by Visionz

selling a DVD for $85 is an action. What you're really saying is don't judge someone............as long as they call themselves christian. :thumbdwn:

Mt 21:13 And (He) said unto them: It is written "My house shall be called the house of Prayer but ye have made it into a den of thieves

this is talking about bloodsuckers in church

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Originally Posted by prof zooruka

romans 16-17- "mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine you have learned and avoid them"

this is talking about islam.

oh really??? and when was that written? You know Islam came around about 500 years after the historical Jesus right??
10-12-2009, 07:40 PM
zooruka

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Originally Posted by Visionz

oh really??? and when was that written? You know Islam came around about 500 years after the historical Jesus right??

it is wisdom for the ages.

it applies just as much today as it did back then.

peace be with you !
10-12-2009, 07:55 PM
Visionz

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Originally Posted by prof zooruka

it is wisdom for the ages.

it applies just as much today as it did back then.

peace be with you !

just like your den of thieves churches but I'm not supposed to pass judgement on those guys right :?

They got a extra high doses of fluoride in the water in Marsfield or what? you pick and choose when to apply your principles. Its why you don't mind when your precious church removes commandments or conspires with the same people that Jesus would've despised. It's why you don't see anything unusual about about a church selling a self-produced dvd for $85 and would actually make excuses for that kind of bullshit and then have the fuckin nerve tell me I shouldn't judge but then bring out quotes about judging action.

"Beware ye hypocrites there will be gnashing of teeth"

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