Re: Human Evolution Theories
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Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies
I am sorry, but to me the facdt that we are made of similar stuff does not prove to me that we are the same thing.
I could probably show coke is made up on molecular level very similarly to water. Doesn't mean they are the same.
Also, just because we are similar....why do you assume a particular order? Isn't assuming we came from monkeys based solely on this similarity? So why didn't monkeys come from us? That's a great new theory! Now I am an evolutionist. They are probably exiled Europeans who turned into monkeys. LOL.
The fact that everything is similar to everything proves MY point not yours. Apart from the strength of the similarites humans could have come from oranges from your point of view. Get the fuck out... Also aren't we genetically similar to pigs? So why did we come from monkeys? By the way...where is the cave man dna coming from?
I don't need to be taken into a lab, coz I do believe what you are saying. I just don't see that it proves shit. We are all related by having the same basic make up.That's as strong a relationship as I have to a rcok (both being made of electrons). Its not coz I evolved from a rock. It's because we were created in similar conditions.
Also, you haven't adressed my issue about our ancestors.
im sorry but all u have shown is your ignorance of evolution.. (ignorance isnt a "bad word".. it just merely explains why u mock and dont understand the importance of genomic data).
an order isnt "assumed".. if u had knowledge of genetics and the details of how dna works (in particular mitochondrial dna), u would know this.
there are certain things one looks for when analyzing dna.. there are certain markers that explicitly show order and relation.
we didnt come from pigs simply because we are primates so we had to directly descend from a primate.
but inadvertently u are calmost on track in a way because what we call pigs are an off shoot on the evolutionary tree that developed around the same time as the appearance of primates... humans are cousins of pigs.. we are cousins of all the quadrepeds. we are cousins of monkeys.. its just that we are more "removed" cousins to pigs than we are to monkeys.
Re: Human Evolution Theories
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Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies
I see what you are saying. But my point is this. We are all related in the sense that we are all inhabitants of this planet. So it doesn't surprise me that we share dna anymore than it surprises me that we breath oxygen. I don't see how DNA's being in some way similar means that I came from a monkey like creature?
then u are downplaying the importance of dna on this planet and what dna actually does and mean to life
the beauty of it is that creatures that dont even breath oxygen are still indeed RELATED to us.. but yet not even SIMILAR to us!
so thus, the argument of similarity goes out the window!
humans are related to marijuana! yes i said it..
we are related to cannibus.. the reason is that cannibus and homo sapiens share the same common ancestor the lead to the evolutoin on flowering plants and also the evolution of terrestrial animals.. that ancestor (our biological great grandaddy) was a little organism called cyano bacteria!
Re: Human Evolution Theories
Any theory that suggests I'm similar to any animal or plant, or any race I find annoying is obviously flawed and completey made up. The fact that you are trying to say that some of us are not God's special creatures, made in his physical image and we are seperate and more evolved than others, shows you are just jealous Timbs and grasping for straws. So go play pretend with your "evolution"...Monkeys and great apes....yea right.
Re: Human Evolution Theories
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I could probably show coke is made up on molecular level very similarly to water. Doesn't mean they are the same.
i garuntee u wouldnt be able to show that!..
because on a molecular level, water (2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen) and coke (from the la cochiana plant) contains dna strands along with rna motiffs. there is no comparison or frame of reference upon which to even assume lineage.
similarly, u couldnt simply look at electrons and protons on an atomic level, because electrons and protons dont contain encoded data! thats the key.. dna contains encoded data for inheritance.. so it simply cant be refuted... its a losing battle
Re: Human Evolution Theories
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Originally Posted by cd
Any theory that suggests I'm similar to any animal or plant, or any race I find annoying is obviously flawed and completey made up. The fact that you are trying to say that some of us are not God's special creatures, made in his physical image and we are seperate and more evolved than others, shows you are just jealous Timbs and grasping for straws. So go play pretend with your "evolution"...Monkeys and great apes....yea right.
ahahahahahaha waddup boy !
Re: Human Evolution Theories
Man I'm Suprised There's So Many People Who Dont Believe In Evolution. Yo I Heard Something Like Are Apendix Use To Probably Be An Organ We Used And Was Alot Bigger Wouldnt That Be Consider Evolution?
Re: Human Evolution Theories
the Creator in the beginning made all types of birds, all types of monkeys, all types of fish, all types of insects, and all types of various beasts. all have have similar traits like breathing oxygen, they eat, have similar internal organs, etc. so naturally they will have some similar DNA, some more similar than others. but the monkey, the bird, the fish, the insect, and the various beasts are not related to each other in that one did not come from the other. they were all independently created but share some similar functions.
only problem is the Creator made one man and one women. since the women was made from the man they had to have been of similar ethnicity. so how are there different races of people in the world? to my knowledge the bible does not account for this.
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Ok granted I accept that we are related. This still doesn't show that we evolved from each other or who evolved from who.
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Originally Posted by Rollie Fingers
Man I'm Suprised There's So Many People Who Dont Believe In Evolution. Yo I Heard Something Like Are Apendix Use To Probably Be An Organ We Used And Was Alot Bigger Wouldnt That Be Consider Evolution?
exactly.. the human appendix is an example of a vestigial appendage/organ.. just like a human being born with a tail appendage.. we are all still born with the appendix organ that serves no function in modern man.. but yet, our genetics still contains the encoded data to produce this organ.. even tho its function is extinct !
thousands of years from now, we can "assume" that modern man will no longer produce this organ! it will only sporadically appear as a birth defect and then a new group of ppl will debate over the appendix like we are debating over the human tail!
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so what was the former use of the appendix?
Re: Human Evolution Theories
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Originally Posted by wadeDyNaMiTe
the Creator in the beginning made all types of birds, all types of monkeys, all types of fish, all types of insects, and all types of various beasts. all have have similar traits like breathing oxygen, they eat, have similar internal organs, etc. so naturally they will have some similar DNA, some more similar than others. but the monkey, the bird, the fish, the insect, and the various beasts are not related to each other in that one did not come from the other. they were all independently created but share some similar functions.
only problem is the Creator made one man and one women. since the women was made from the man they had to have been of similar ethnicity. so how are there different races of people in the world? to my knowledge the bible does not account for this.
There are many problems with this.. if a god allegedly made all of the creatures fully formed, they would have no reason to change or improve or evolve from their original perfect "god given" form.. yet we know that creatures do change and improve on their original perfect god crafted design.. this is known as the religious flaw of "immutability" ie anything that a god creates will share in his perfection. And thus has no need to change or improve. etc etc
another problem with creation by a god as explained in genesis is the order! In the bible its explained that plants were created before the creation of insects (which is evolutionarily impossible) there are carloads of logical problems with it.. not just that one.. for more.. purchase acalltosanity and read ch 2. ..hehehe… jus playin. but seriously.. no matter how u reconcile it.. the genesis creationmyth just doesnt cut it.. it creates more problems that can only be solved with "divine power"
more importantly is that we humans are allegedly made in the image of god, but yet we share 98% of our genetic code with a chimpanzee.. this would force us to conclude that god must be atleast 98% chimpanzee as well.
about the race issue stemming from adam and eve.. that’s not the biggest and only problem this story has..more importantly than races, a poplulation of a species resulting from only 2 progenitors is bound to die after about 4 generations due to what is known in genetics as "recessive lethal inheritance traits".. u cant start a population with 2 progenitors and expect it to bottleneck into a worldwide population. If u only have 2 individuals, u have no way to maximize diversity of the genetic pool.. (diversity is one with evolution), a stagnant gene pool is as good as dead.
Re: Human Evolution Theories
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Originally Posted by wadeDyNaMiTe
so what was the former use of the appendix?
its simple.. the appendix (the human appendix) is a left over rudimentary and primitive organ that is supposed to be attached to the cecum and aid in the digestion of harsh plant material.
but humans are no longer herbivores and dont digest harsh plant material (we havent been herbivores for a very long time), thus the appendix is worthless and lost its functioning...
just like animals who live in caves eventually lose the need to even produce eyes but still have eyelids.. its a leftover.. think of it as an evolutionary "throwback"!
another evolutionary throwback which we possess and still develop are wisdom teeth.
Re: Human Evolution Theories
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Originally Posted by My First Timbs
There are many problems with this.. if a god allegedly made all of the creatures fully formed, they would have no reason to change or improve or evolve from their original perfect "god given" form.. yet we know that creatures do change and improve on their original perfect god crafted design.. this is known as the religious flaw of "immutability" ie anything that a god creates will share in his perfection. And thus has no need to change or improve. etc etc
again this only shows that things change due to the environment they are in. it does not show that one comes from another. maybe one of the great attributes that "god" gave us is that we can adapt to our environment.
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Originally Posted by My First Timbs
another problem with creation by a god as explained in genesis is the order! In the bible its explained that plants were created before the creation of insects (which is evolutionarily impossible) there are carloads of logical problems with it.. not just that one.. for more.. purchase acalltosanity and read ch 2. ..hehehe… jus playin. but seriously.. no matter how u reconcile it.. the genesis creationmyth just doesnt cut it.. it creates more problems that can only be solved with "divine power"
why is it impossible for the plant to come before the animal? spare a poor man who doesnt like reading books your knowledge.
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Originally Posted by My First Timbs
more importantly is that we humans are allegedly made in the image of god, but yet we share 98% of our genetic code with a chimpanzee.. this would force us to conclude that god must be atleast 98% chimpanzee as well.
i dont doubt it since monkeys looks a lot like humans. if you've ever seen a real ugly muthafucka they look like a monkey. yet and still we're not monkey's, we're humans. we dont know if "god" has a DNA code at all. again you've shown similarity but no relation.
i would say "god" is 100% human.
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Originally Posted by My First Timbs
about the race issue stemming from adam and eve.. that’s not the biggest and only problem this story has..more importantly than races, a poplulation of a species resulting from only 2 progenitors is bound to die after about 4 generations due to what is known in genetics as "recessive lethal inheritance traits".. u cant start a population with 2 progenitors and expect it to bottleneck into a worldwide population. If u only have 2 individuals, u have no way to maximize diversity of the genetic pool.. (diversity is one with evolution), a stagnant gene pool is as good as dead.
now here's where the "divine power" comes in. when adam and eve were reproducing and the children they had were marrying each other(eww :r) "god" made it so that this could happen without jeopordizing the life and health of the people incest breeding. when you get to leviticus or duetoronomy(dont remember which) and the population was numerous enough, "god" made rules for his people who followed him not to be sleeping around with immediate family members and first cousins. anyone who did that would end up suffereing what you have idnetified as "recessive lethal inheretance traits" as punishment for disobeying "god".
but you still have the issue of how the different races came about from just two 2 people.
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again this only shows that things change due to the environment they are in. it does not show that one comes from another. maybe one of the great attributes that "god" gave us is that we can adapt to our environment.
im really not sure what else would convince u that genetic similarity = relation. how else could i explain it.. please let me know where i am going wrong and what exactly i could do to explain it better.. :)
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why is it impossible for the plant to come before the animal? spare a poor man who doesnt like reading books your knowledge.
its not impossible for plants to come b4 animals... in fact thats sort of what happened in reality.. im talking about the creation myth stating that plants came before "animals that take flight" and that would include the flying insects... thats impossible ! the flying insect evolved along with the flowering plant (they are in essence a symbiotic relation).. its just a little technicality that the creation myth doesnt take into account. so u cant have a story that says the plants (that included flowering plants) existed before the creation of animals and creatures that take flight.
