I agree, that album made me respect GZA a lot more and he was aleady one of my favorites. I bought the album and played it a lot. Muggs was on another level as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Origin™
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I agree, that album made me respect GZA a lot more and he was aleady one of my favorites. I bought the album and played it a lot. Muggs was on another level as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Origin™
I'm finding this too. this morning some young white chick on my FB posted about how banging this album is and it kinda surprised me.Quote:
as usual, this site hates the album while other less nerdy sites give it favorable reviews.
I don't hate the album but I'd give it a 7/10. It just bugs me that there's almost NO tempo change throughout the entire album. There's supposed to be highs and lows to keep it interesting
album bangs for sure.. i received the CD in the mail today and i can say i'm certainly satisfied with this as an album of dope new Wu-Tang music. i listened to "A Better Tomorrow" and this today and i still like 'ABT' more as a whole + i find the production more varied and interesting on that but there's still a lot of tight records on this LP. "People Say" stands as #1 on here imo.. like Mumm Ra said above me it would have gained from having more varied tempos and musical textures - pretty much each of these songs could be stand outs on another album but here some of those same tracks fade in to each other a little. i really like how they have RZA with the Saga interludes to bind it together... and Raekwon slaughtered that "Fast and Furious" verse btw.
I wish uey was on fast and furious. he wouldve murdered a lot of those beats
No thread yet?
Meth stood out imo.
sorry guys, multiple streams... Spotify has it also
Theres like 3 or 4 threads at least.
if you feel like it you can vote in a poll on this album now
http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/sho...23#post2593323
@ claaa7 : glad to hear you are enjoying the album
peace yall
Heard this a couple of thymes now and I dig it. Immediately ruled this out as any kind of Clan album when I saw that first thing that said Gza and Uey weren't on it, so wasn't expecting anything other than a Math compilation. So no disappointments there. Cool that they dug up a few old Gza bars from somewhere in the end. Threw this straight in my 'Mathematics' folder with LHoR and TP, which is where it'll stay. But yeah, it's nothing amazing, but why the fuck would it be? It's better than I expected. I really quite like it. Prob like it more than the MK album, though I haven't heard either many thymes yet. More excited about giving this repeat plays than I am the MK album though. Skits are a waste of space but that's what the 'delete' button is for, nah mean? I'd prob be annoyed if I actually bought the cd though.
One thing I will say is that Rza REALLY needs to stop trying so hard to sound smart. It's embarrassing.
Damn I've never looked at my post count before, but for some reason I looked at it right then as it hit 6000, ha! Well thymed.
congrats!Quote:
Originally Posted by noel411
good to hear you are enjoying the album
BIG COSIGN! Just got my physical CD yesterday and listened thrice. Feeling it. So far only real criticism is the chorus on Gd up. The Saga ContinuesQuote:
Originally Posted by Sideshow Bob
Yes! Uey is a dope MC and integral part of WTC. He adds a necessary element. Hopefully the Ghost exec produced WTC album happens and U-God plus everyone gets on it!Quote:
Originally Posted by num2son
Got CD for $16.99 Canadian @ sunrise yesterday.Quote:
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#truthQuote:
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True
I was surprised to hear Sean Price... Thought something else started playing by accident.
#truth (only faggots hashtag) #truth!
most of you think its a decent album when it sucks hard.. hardly any WU TANG CLAN tracks on it.. just random wu solos spots, hell they've dropped the clan name off of wu tang.. this review is awesome.. its basically how i see this piece of shit album.
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums...aga-continues/
The Saga Continues
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Entertainment One
• 2017
4.5
by Sheldon Pearce
- Contributing Writer
13 hrs ago
Thanks to Martin Shkreli, Wu-Tang is worth millions again. But is their new album even worth your time?
The uproar surrounding pharma bro Martin Shkreli’s Once Upon A Time in Shaolin, a Wu-Tang Clan album pressed in an edition of one in 2014 and stored in a safe at a Moroccan hotel, was illuminating. Barely a year after A Better Tomorrow, the Clan’s first wide release album in seven years, went largely ignored, Shkreli bought the only pressing of Shaolin for $2 million at auction. As the latter was certified the most valuable album in existence, the former struggled to sell 50,000 copies. While listeners complained about not being able to hear the mythic Wu-Tang Clan album Shkreli dangled over their heads like a carrot for years, they largely rejected the Wu-Tang album that was already easily accessible, which was telling: With Wu-Tang Clan, now, it’s more about the idea, the legacy than the actual music.
Wu-Tang Clan lore has long been so significant that a prospective juror in Shkreli’s fraud case admitted they couldn’t be objective because of it—sure, Shkreli’s bad business denied access to medicine to many but he’d also tarnished the sacred Wu emblem with his petty posturing. “It’s my attitude toward his entire demeanor, what he has done to people,” a transcript of the jury selection process revealed. “And he disrespected the Wu-Tang Clan.” They’ve become a symbol, a “Chappelle’s Show” skit. Recently, Bloomberg reported that Shkreli himself may even have been seduced by the Wu-Tang Clan mythos; the very rare Wu-Tang artifact he thought he paid millions for could just be an unauthorized side project later repackaged and marketed as a crafted and prized collectible (Shkreli admitted in the album’s eBay listing that he never really listened to it), which led to an argument about what the working definition of a “Wu-Tang Clan album” even is. The status of that exclusive, and the crew’s new release, The Saga Continues, begs the question: What even makes a Wu-Tang album these days?
Before even releasing The Saga Continues, the project’s architects made clear that it isn’t a canonical Wu-Tang Clan album; RZA has pegged the offering as a curated collection of treasures from the Wu collective, and the project is billed to “Wu-Tang” and not “Wu-Tang Clan,” which is apparently an important distinction. So what is The Saga Continues? It can firstly be classified as a compilation, and secondly as a showcase for longtime Wu-Tang producer Mathematics. RZA executive produced the project, but Mathematics “crafted” it. (At the end of “Lesson Learn’d,” Redman, who is not a member of the Clan but gets more airtime than six living members, intimates as much, introducing Math as the show’s star.) The project has all the moving parts of a Wu-Tang album, but the gaps in posse cuts are filled by affiliates like Killah Priest and Streetlife. On average there’s one official Clan member per song, almost as if sharing space is a chore. Where Wu-Tang Clan once felt like a cohesive unit made up of diverse voices and personas, the group now seems like a dysfunctional family begrudgingly reconvening for reunions.
No matter how this is billed—group or collective, album or anthology—the project is a self-fulfilling prophesy: The Saga Continues feels like an unnecessary continuation of a Wu-Tang adventure growing more and more tedious, only persisting out of some misplaced sense of loyalty to the brand. They’re still trading on the name, yet they don’t even want to commit to making music en masse. The Wu-Tang group efforts are largely unimaginative affairs now. They’re mostly rapping in circles. They ignore the conditions that forged some recent solo work worth visiting. There’s none of the panel-by-panel storytelling of Ghostface’s Twelve Reasons to Die series, or the dramatic flair of the last few Raekwon albums. Ghostface is the least illustrative he’s been in some time. And Raekwon sounds flat-out disengaged. The project is packed with extremely dated references, and outdated rhetoric. On “Why Why Why,” RZA chastises strippers dancing for rich showmen like Floyd Mayweather, Jr. (“And she wonders why, why, why she can’t keep her husband?”) but doesn’t condemn or even mention the boxer’s history of domestic violence. In a guest spot, the late Sean Price proudly pronounces “I don’t weirdo with queer clothes.” Later on the same song, RZA raps, “Bobby Dig convert Lady Gaga/Back to heterosexual,” which aside from being problematic, misunderstands both Gaga and how sexuality works. Everything about this feels dusty, suspect, and archaic.
Anyone who comes in expecting a throwback is rewarded with a workable period piece: This is a spin-off in every sense. The Saga Continues is full of competent if forgettable rapping straight out of the Wu-Tang manuscripts, and each Wu rapper does a serviceable job mustering up shades of their primes, in function. The verses don’t do what they used to, but at a distance they move in the same ways. Songs are sketches using old Clan templates. There are skits. Mathematics knows the Wu-Tang blueprint well and is more than capable of executing; he supplies their staples: sample-heavy soul, knocking drums, and the usual snippets from martial arts cinema. But nothing notable or consequential happens inside. And worse still: nothing unpredictable happens. Why listen to a bargain bin Wu joint when 36 Chambers is readily available? Outside of servicing the most diehard Wu-Tang fans, this album has little to no utility.
As pointless as the project is, The Saga Continues isn’t a complete drag. Method Man and Redman, longtime partners in crime, come away as the standouts. They’re consistent, delivering the best verses on “People Say” and reuniting as a tag-team for the loud-mouthed “Hood Go Bang!” But early on, Redman all but provides the compilation’s thesis: “At my age it’s all about bread/Tryna be nice at 40, you can have it all shawty/I’m tryna make history, and history say: ‘Fuck rap,’ I divorced her, the bitch bore me.” More than anything, The Saga Continues seems like a lazy way to cash in on Wu-Tang cachet. This wouldn’t be the first time.
If you guys genuinely like this, you must listen to some wank fucking music.
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Originally Posted by soul controller
wank bro? why is it the European wu fans are always the ones complaining about the clan. yall the reason wu dont respect this forum anymore cuz they see a buncha european white boys shit on the movement. you use the word wank and have the audacity to tell others we like shit music when you use corny 90 yr old white grandma slang....
as far as the review, i know you didnt write it but since you seem to share thoughts with the "incredible" wink wink pichfork album review team of corny white hipsters :loser:ima just act like you did
this shit is better than a better tomorrow...
lesson learned is wack?
people say is wack?
fly navigation is wack?
why why why?
my only one is wack?
fast and furious?
pearl harbor?
frozen?
everyone of those songs is atleast solid AND better than every song on ABT minus ruckus in bminor, half of miracle, a better tomorrow and necklace. did you even listen to the songs or are you one of those people complaining about singing who forgot songs like tearz, reunited, little ghetto boys, hollow bones, tragedy, can it be so simple, etc etc existed. it literally has THREE modern day hooks and Gd up is only one thats garbage. my only one got GREAT verses by ghost rza and cap and a passable hook over a good beat.
this shit is no different than chambermusik and legendary weapons. meth and gza werent on chambermusik and gza and killa werent on legendary weapons...
yall need to stop geting ya panties in a bunch over one missing member in a 10 man crew. complaining about not enough songs with multiple members... remember method man, tearz, clan in da front, cream by chance?
i mean i read the review and complaining about rza being mysognistic (guess he hate maria and wildflower too..) and mad cause sean price and rza make fun of gays (*nerd from simpsons errr...being gay...i see the rizzer doesnt understand how sexuality works ah haaerr..).. those 2 points are some of the worst complaints i ever read about an album before. EVER. keep this fucking CAC away from hip hop albums. dude prolly sucks dick he has no right to even acknowledge wutang let alone speak about them with his dick breath sheldon
its like every album yall go in waiting for wutangforever 2... instead of just being happy we get 5-10 dope new wutang songs produced by one of our fav producers making dope beats for wu to rap on
these guys broke so much ground during their initial 5 years they lost everyone by cooking steak for baby food brain ass people. they dumbed it back down because as soon as they hit that super saian level on WTF they lost most of their original fan base and caught the white europeans. frankly, i think that bothered them and they went back to the simple rhymes of 36 chambers style... and yall still complain. its a decent lil project... the only people mad are the ones expecting this to be anything more than a dope wutang compilation nothing more.
yall must be real miserable fucks to hate on this album
Pitchfork, ha. Thread over. Peace
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Originally Posted by ForensikZ
Well said ForensikZ. Take heed haterz !!!
1st week sales-25,000
I don't think it's a great album or a classic but it's a good one. The dudes get older and we are in 2017, think about it. I know brothers who expect a new 36 chambers... Come on ! They want Robert Diggs to produce incredible shit as he once did but he can't. The wu members don't trust him no more. I hope one day all wu elements like Rza, 4th Disciple, True Master, Y kim, Bronze Nazareth and other dudes like Moongod Allah, Cilvaringz and even some fans will provide tons of dope beats for a great farewell. But I think "The saga..." is the best shit Wu can release in this sinister era. Hip hop is not my shit nowadays because according to me it sucks. Too many clowns, too many wack shit, too many bitches.... Wu released so many dope albums and songs, the saga will never end in my mind.
how can you call it a CLAN album. when theres no CLAN on it?
the lyrics are weak and child play-esque.
be forgotten in a month.
Not bad I guess?Quote:
Originally Posted by Holocaust
One thing about this album, the start of that intro is an absolute fucking cunt if u forget ur player is turned up real loud n put on headphones/earphones. I did it full Vol the other day n it was death. I immediately took the earphones out to c if my ears were still working properly. Today when I put it on I shuddered when I heard that shit.
Also that lame solo track where rza tries to 'drop knowledge' and some ho sings some stupid Rasta shit shouldn't have been on this album. It's the only song I don't like.
Rza should leave that lame shit for his own projects.
Hoping for and extra ZERO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holocaust
they didnt call it a Clan album, they called it a Wu-Tang album. pay attention numb nuts. Mathematics already came out and said they left the Clan off the album because it can't be a Clan album without U-God on it. Whether they did that out of respect for U-God or because some legal bullshit, who cares.Quote:
Originally Posted by soul controller
tell em Forensikz. also those two lists about singing on the tracks and just a couple members, cant leave off "Can It Be All So Simple". Also, the solo songs on group albums and other members solo albums. KP on Gza's album, Ghostface on Raekwons, U-God on WTF, etc...these niggas dont know shit about Wu. They just want to complain about everything that comes out now(in this case) or the exact opposite, the wu dickriders who refuse to say anything negative at all. its usually one of the extremes in either direction. Very few sensible fans who understand what the middleground is, or even know a lot of the history behind Wu-Tang. They just start popping off at the mouth. And then you got niggas acting like Rza cant produce great beats anymore, what they dont understand is how Rza has evolved and is constantly experimenting, looking for that next great sound. If he produced the same style shit over and over then the same people would be complaining its too repetitive and he is stuck in the past. He can still produce those old school bangers if he wants, he aint suddenly just forget how, he chose to evolve and move on.
Rza doesnt want to produce good music anymore. BOAP was his last good album. ABT was forgetable. With that being said I would pick a new WTC album all produced by Math rather than Rza nowadays.
word x, i just dont get it. in the span of less than a month we got a SUPER solid masta killa album thats on par with his original and a good lil wu compilation produced by math and people still find ways to complain. its not like this shit was awaited as the 2nd coming like wu forever, we didnt even know it was dropping until it was announced like 3 months ago. if rza made these beats people would be happy.. but because its math theirs a built in bias that means it must be second tier. i mean calling fly navigation or people say as WACK? cmon now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brolic Child
i missed ugod too but ill live until the next release.
Second listen,
this shit's fire LOL. It grows on you
It grown on me aswell. At first i was listening only to frozen, why why why and hood fo bang.
Now im listening to fast and furious, frozen, people say, why why why, g'd up, hood go bang and my only one so its like 7/11 tracks.
I think i will end to listen the full project from the beginning to the end. Very strong project from Mathematics.
finally got the album in the mail. Mathematics' strongest project so far. some great beats on there, Meth's in top form. some of the cuts on here are a very worthy addition to the wu catalogue
I'm with Antonelli and Forensikz on this one. lately we have had little to complain about. graned, it's been a quiet year for the wu so far with few releases from the camp. but 'The Wild' was a great rebound from 'FILA' for Raekwon. imo he updated his sound in a good way on his latest release. And the 4th quarter releases 'Loyalty And Royalty' and 'The Saga Continues' are good to very good albums. Masta Killa's album's bar 2 songs is up there with his debut album to me. 'The Saga Continues' has some bangers (soulful cuts!), Math definitely did his thing. I'll probably post a review of 'The Saga Continues' in a few days now that I can listen to it on proper speakers
on a side note I love how we are still getting so many Sean Price features. R.I.P. to the Gawd. may he rest in palaces.
I still need to give this a second spin.
Don't get me wrong...I'm definitely happy for anyone that is feeling this album. But the comments about people who don't like the album bitching after we get so many new releases blah blah blah is some bullshit. I'm always excited for some new wu material. I really liked the new mk. I just don't think the production on the saga continues was where it could have been. Someone mentioned if this was all rza, those of us not feeling the album would feel different. That's also bullshit. Math is one of my favorite producers, wu or otherwise (for reference my all time favorite is premier). Math has a track record of not carrying solid production on his compilations, though. His best work imo has always been the one off beats he makes for other albums.
I wouldn't say tsc is total garbage. It's ok...mostly listenable. Maybe I'll like it a bit more after listening to it some more. But we have cats on here beating their dicks about how ill it is, bashing everybody whose pants aren't around they ankles too, talking about never being satisfied with any releases. I think some people have the bar set WAY too low for some of the newer releases. You're wearing shit colored glasses from some of the older, more trash albums comparing to those...if course this is going to sound better than a hot ass pile of garbage...but that does not make this (or other recent albums) a dope album.
I like people say and lesson learnd...and a few other tracks on there. But there are some real weak tracks too. Overall, it was pretty disappointing.
I'm not trying to start a pissing match at all, but understand just because some of us aren't feeling this, doesn't mean it's hate just to hate.
I'm looking forward to the spark, that sounds amazing. I know there are emcees and producers in the wu camp that still can release quality shit. Im optimistic we will get fire sooner or later
I think it's pretty good but ultimately forgettable. There really isn't a song where I think a few years from now I'll have to keep putting it on a playlist. But there are nice tracks on here. If you were bamboozled by Rza's bullshit(just about everything he says is bullshit nowadays) and believed this was an official album or was going to be similar to the feel of a genuine Wu album, I can see the disappointment. For a Math compilation by MC's around 50 now who haven't been able to legitimately work well as a unit for a long time, it's nice and shows even at half speed they really are better than a lot out there. I'm really not a fan of Math full albums as his beats tend to be low energy for a whole sit thru.
As usual they have made mystifyingly stupid decisions such as breaking a Rza song that could have been good into a few skits and ending with 2 skits in a row that detract from it. It really is an album that sounds better after a few listens tho
Love this shit still
Good album.