Did Skreli buy a FAKE wu album? CHICAGO TRIBUNE

speaking of darkim...I heard he produced crunch time by black knights...I fucking love that track. Spent years trying to find that vinyl.completely off topic...my bad.

-its funny how cilvaringz keeps weaving a web of lies.

-lets not forget, he borrowed money from his parents, i mean investors, to pay for the rhymes

-Rumorsofwar.tk is one of the dumbest motherfuckers on this site

-some people will dickride anything even half wu-affiliated, whether they truly like it or not

-i'd love to hear Buddah MACs knowledge of this situation, dude is an encyclopedia of factual wu-knowledge

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-its funny how cilvaringz keeps weaving a web of lies.

-lets not forget, he borrowed money from his parents, i mean investors, to pay for the rhymes

-Rumorsofwar.tk is one of the dumbest motherfuckers on this site

-some people will dickride anything even half wu-affiliated, whether they truly like it or not

-i'd love to hear Buddah MACs knowledge of this situation, dude is an encyclopedia of factual wu-knowledge

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My knowledge isn't really any different than anyone else who was on the site at the time, b/c Cilva was pretty open & inclusive about letting people into the process as he was building the album and figuring out what it was up until he got into the selling of the album.

Unfortunately, as I said before, his being so inclusive in that process is part of what increased the backlash as they felt part of something they now weren't going to get to hear/have. That's not a rational reaction, b/c it's his album to do with as he sees, and it's not one I share, but I can understand how people would feel let down by a "for the fans" album they were in for the making of and now won't get. You add in these are some people who are still checking every new Cappa album & Islord track desperate for something decent, and I think a chunk of the flack he's gotten is misdirected lashing out from people who've suffered through a lot of sup-par & just bad Wu releases the last few years and this potentially good one they saw pieced together exists but is denied them.

I think it was deleted but I believe what I said at the time was I understand his needing to recoup & profit on his investment in making the album & why therefore it had to be named as a "Wu" album & not a "Cilva presents..." album, but some fans aren't going to understand it.

I guessed/forewarned that there might be some issues with some Clan/Fam members in recording verses for a project that ends up marketed as a "Wu-Tang Clan" album, especially with them possibly wanting more money on the back end.

I thought pharma-bro buying it was a bad look for both the brand & the "reclaiming music as art" concept. I've lessened on that slightly as it's made Martin more the villain and Wu/this album a bit more mythic in the long run, but still think it was a bad look overall. Then again, who with that bank wouldn't be some kind of asshole?

And I thought the single album concept was going to be a new model for an investor to pay for the single album and then it was their onus to further try and capitalize on it & it'd flip the industry model on its head (instead of up front advance to artist w/ recouping the production cost & very little on the back end for artists, the artist presents a completed work that the industry has to pay a great amount for and then that industry has to figure out how to profit on it themselves). So the 88 years/not capitalizing was a let down as I was thinking the album could be used as a new way for artists to profit in the dying music industry, while Cilva was looking more for a re conception of music as art itself.

Again, anyone who was here at the time knows the situation & it just comes down to how you feel about how it went down. Cilva gets overly vilified on here b/c they take something they were let into the inside process of during its early stages turning into something they were denied having as a betrayal. I think it's unfortunate that well-meant inclusion led to people getting pissed when they were excluded, but I understand why they might feel that way too. Cilva ended up making the best moves he saw to sell his album and in most respects he succeeded. That's probably not going to make a difference to the people who feel put out, but that's the impasse this board is at.

Also, disagree w/ the "web of lies" as I think the only misdirection in this whole thing was in the marketing. We were in on the process when he transitioned this from what it was to what it became, which is just a concept becoming something solid & different than what it began as.

And agreed people are too ready to jump all over any & everything Wu here & overrate things, but it's a Wu board, so that's going to happen.

I agree with everything Budda Mac said. I have no problem this being a 1 copy album or anything like that; the only problem I have is this whole bullshit about creating the concept while riding camels in the desert and this whole self righteous "reclaiming artistic" control fan fiction they've come up with to sell the 'mystery' of the album. Just be factual and come out and say we are making the album 1 copy because it'll give us more money/it's unique/different etc all that other bullshit is nonsense.

Its clear as daylight and completely as i said before. cilva lied about this being his album while knowingly working on a one copy clan album and rza stayed quiet about his involvement to get it done. watch what rza says in the MOMA exhibition when he says something about everybody got on a boat but nobody knew where that boat was going!!!! and then he says sometimes you have slip medicine in someone's food because you know its good for them but they might not think the same! then read what the book says. Its fukking clear and I cant see why you guys dont see it!!?? Cilva was on here posting on purpose to keep everybody thinking one thing while he was doing something else and when he had no use of it anymore he did what? delete it !!! and how has that helped ? simple!!!>> everybody is STILL fukking talking about this album it's exactly what he wanted !!!! thats why he cant answer a goodamn question inna straight forward manner, always being vague and evasive! he's playing a psychological experiment on everybody!!! call me crazy if you want or call it conspiracy theory but this is what one of his most entrustd innercircle people has confirmed to us!! He even went went as far as to say cilva could have initiated the whole bloomberg killa sin shyhiem fiasco, said he might have paid them money to say all that shit because fake album press is in cilva's benefit! he wants to keep the album in martin's hands! dont you think it's coincidence this article came out when martin was selling the album on eBay??? has it sold??? nooooo >>>> mission accomplished.

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Originally Posted by Buddah_MAC

My knowledge isn't really any different than anyone else who was on the site at the time, b/c Cilva was pretty open & inclusive about letting people into the process as he was building the album and figuring out what it was up until he got into the selling of the album.

Unfortunately, as I said before, his being so inclusive in that process is part of what increased the backlash as they felt part of something they now weren't going to get to hear/have. That's not a rational reaction, b/c it's his album to do with as he sees, and it's not one I share, but I can understand how people would feel let down by a "for the fans" album they were in for the making of and now won't get. You add in these are some people who are still checking every new Cappa album & Islord track desperate for something decent, and I think a chunk of the flack he's gotten is misdirected lashing out from people who've suffered through a lot of sup-par & just bad Wu releases the last few years and this potentially good one they saw pieced together exists but is denied them.

I think it was deleted but I believe what I said at the time was I understand his needing to recoup & profit on his investment in making the album & why therefore it had to be named as a "Wu" album & not a "Cilva presents..." album, but some fans aren't going to understand it.

I guessed/forewarned that there might be some issues with some Clan/Fam members in recording verses for a project that ends up marketed as a "Wu-Tang Clan" album, especially with them possibly wanting more money on the back end.

I thought pharma-bro buying it was a bad look for both the brand & the "reclaiming music as art" concept. I've lessened on that slightly as it's made Martin more the villain and Wu/this album a bit more mythic in the long run, but still think it was a bad look overall. Then again, who with that bank wouldn't be some kind of asshole?

And I thought the single album concept was going to be a new model for an investor to pay for the single album and then it was their onus to further try and capitalize on it & it'd flip the industry model on its head (instead of up front advance to artist w/ recouping the production cost & very little on the back end for artists, the artist presents a completed work that the industry has to pay a great amount for and then that industry has to figure out how to profit on it themselves). So the 88 years/not capitalizing was a let down as I was thinking the album could be used as a new way for artists to profit in the dying music industry, while Cilva was looking more for a re conception of music as art itself.

Again, anyone who was here at the time knows the situation & it just comes down to how you feel about how it went down. Cilva gets overly vilified on here b/c they take something they were let into the inside process of during its early stages turning into something they were denied having as a betrayal. I think it's unfortunate that well-meant inclusion led to people getting pissed when they were excluded, but I understand why they might feel that way too. Cilva ended up making the best moves he saw to sell his album and in most respects he succeeded. That's probably not going to make a difference to the people who feel put out, but that's the impasse this board is at.

Also, disagree w/ the "web of lies" as I think the only misdirection in this whole thing was in the marketing. We were in on the process when he transitioned this from what it was to what it became, which is just a concept becoming something solid & different than what it began as.

And agreed people are too ready to jump all over any & everything Wu here & overrate things, but it's a Wu board, so that's going to happen.

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great post.

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Originally Posted by Fucknuts

Its clear as daylight and completely as i said before. cilva lied about this being his album while knowingly working on a one copy clan album and rza stayed quiet about his involvement to get it done. watch what rza says in the MOMA exhibition when he says something about everybody got on a boat but nobody knew where that boat was going!!!! and then he says sometimes you have slip medicine in someone's food because you know its good for them but they might not think the same! then read what the book says. Its fukking clear and I cant see why you guys dont see it!!?? Cilva was on here posting on purpose to keep everybody thinking one thing while he was doing something else and when he had no use of it anymore he did what? delete it !!! and how has that helped ? simple!!!>> everybody is STILL fukking talking about this album it's exactly what he wanted !!!! thats why he cant answer a goodamn question inna straight forward manner, always being vague and evasive! he's playing a psychological experiment on everybody!!! call me crazy if you want or call it conspiracy theory but this is what one of his most entrustd innercircle people has confirmed to us!! He even went went as far as to say cilva could have initiated the whole bloomberg killa sin shyhiem fiasco, said he might have paid them money to say all that shit because fake album press is in cilva's benefit! he wants to keep the album in martin's hands! dont you think it's coincidence this article came out when martin was selling the album on eBay??? has it sold??? nooooo >>>> mission accomplished.

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Just when you thought this dude couldn't get any more stupid.

What is it with Wu Boards and neurodegeneration?

+rep to Buddah

I've checked this thread a few thymes as it's built to 14 pages, and all I've really seen is the same stuff getting repeated over and over, lolz.

Fucknuts! Becoming one of my favorite forum members right now. He's like the nutter everybody's like fuck outttttaaaa heeerrreee dude.... but sometimes you just have to stop and wonder...

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Originally Posted by Fucknuts

he's playing a psychological experiment on everybody!!!.

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WTF is wrong with this dude LOL

http://media.istockphoto.com/photos/...re-id183411466

wutang music is wutang music . its not a fake album its just something that was used as a tool to spread awareness .

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Originally Posted by The Hound

Lol Ringz having to deny he said all that shit, precisely why he deleted the it's coming thread because that whole thread that was years old would destroy this whole fan fiction backstory to the album.



That's a Cilvaringz quote you dumb Euro fag

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Lol, why do you diss Wu-Tang, faggot?

This is literally fun.

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Originally Posted by Rumorsofwar.tk

Lol, why do you diss Wu-Tang, faggot?

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Sit the fuck down you euro fag; you spend all your free time on Wu Corp dissing Wu tang because your life is as empty as those itty bitty balls you tuck between your legs so they don't hang underneath your mini skirt

thread is too long to read, but surely cilvaringz wouldn't mislead anyone?

reading the thread, cilva, you're kind of re-writing history. the point people here understand is that this did not start as a wu tang album, it was a project of yours.

you've deleted the thread which detailed the whole process (and evidenced forum members growing annoyance with you constantly changing your story about what the album was and when it was coming out).

if you are transparent and have always been, why the need to delete that thread? now it's as if none of those years of you stringing us along about this project ever happened, and the only testament to any of it are the unreliable members of a barely active wu tang forum...

edit: reading more, i see people have covered all of that. i guess we all know where we are. cilva wants to act all coy about the whole thing it seems.

check this out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KTAtdmsFcw

Just see an interview on 106 power. Rza trying to purchase the album.

so has this leaked yet ?

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Originally Posted by habitual_line_steppr

so has this leaked yet ?

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If it had we´d all had known by now...........

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Originally Posted by hotnikks

If it had we´d all had known by now...........

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everything leaks... its only a matter of time

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Originally Posted by rat fakerman

reading the thread, cilva, you're kind of re-writing history. the point people here understand is that this did not start as a wu tang album, it was a project of yours.

you've deleted the thread which detailed the whole process (and evidenced forum members growing annoyance with you constantly changing your story about what the album was and when it was coming out).

if you are transparent and have always been, why the need to delete that thread? now it's as if none of those years of you stringing us along about this project ever happened, and the only testament to any of it are the unreliable members of a barely active wu tang forum...

edit: reading more, i see people have covered all of that. i guess we all know where we are. cilva wants to act all coy about the whole thing it seems.

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Yeah because like the great Fucknuts says, this is all one big human experiment I'm pulling! Yall should listen to the dude. Is that vague and evasive enough? Fucking loving all the theories though.

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Originally Posted by Cilvaringz

Yeah because like the great Fucknuts says, this is all one big human experiment I'm pulling! Yall should listen to the dude. Is that vague and evasive enough? Fucking loving all the theories though.

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the simple way to resolve this would to upload the deleted "its coming " thread and then we can all see the history in what happened... i read it all so its all good ;)

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Originally Posted by hotnikks

check this out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KTAtdmsFcw

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* good interview

* that hiphopdx Justin dude is waaaaay less annoying here than when he does his vid editorials for dx with his butter smoov voice

* interviewer looks like he just went out on a shooting spree

* those callers smh hahaha

* idk about M80 'just recouping' but hey I'll give him the benefit of the doubt

* surprising to hear Cilvaringz and M80 had never spoken before, in all of those years

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Originally Posted by Cilvaringz

Yeah because like the great Fucknuts says, this is all one big human experiment I'm pulling! Yall should listen to the dude. Is that vague and evasive enough? Fucking loving all the theories though.

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Lol it's not a theory when your own words were here for years describing the album process and the ambition. You can lie to people who weren't here during that time but you can't lie to yourself.

So cilva what did you and m80 discuss? Well what could you share with us. Also, whats the likely hood of you or RZA purchasing the album back and doin what he said about trying to reach a sales goal before releasing links to buyers? Or even RZA buying the album, renaming it, releasing it on the 25th anniversary and letting OATIS drift into the same dimension as The Cure..

There's so many different ways this whole situation can go and that's why it's interesting to so many people. The fact that it's a "wu tang album" is a bonus for us fans. It's a one of a kind MUSIC album that could literally change the way people buy and sell music. Pay attention, put ya shoes on

Props to The Hound, sick em brother. Fucking euro fags and they lies

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Originally Posted by ForensikZ

Props to The Hound, sick em brother. Fucking euro fags and they lies

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you as much as anyone should remember the eurofags at the old Wu-Tang World site of kennyrza's that i helped make defunct because they didnt like a few american fans showing up there and being realistic about Wu-Tang as opposed to constant dick riding...

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Originally Posted by Buddah_MAC

My knowledge isn't really any different than anyone else who was on the site at the time, b/c Cilva was pretty open & inclusive about letting people into the process as he was building the album and figuring out what it was up until he got into the selling of the album.

Unfortunately, as I said before, his being so inclusive in that process is part of what increased the backlash as they felt part of something they now weren't going to get to hear/have. That's not a rational reaction, b/c it's his album to do with as he sees, and it's not one I share, but I can understand how people would feel let down by a "for the fans" album they were in for the making of and now won't get. You add in these are some people who are still checking every new Cappa album & Islord track desperate for something decent, and I think a chunk of the flack he's gotten is misdirected lashing out from people who've suffered through a lot of sup-par & just bad Wu releases the last few years and this potentially good one they saw pieced together exists but is denied them.

I think it was deleted but I believe what I said at the time was I understand his needing to recoup & profit on his investment in making the album & why therefore it had to be named as a "Wu" album & not a "Cilva presents..." album, but some fans aren't going to understand it.

I guessed/forewarned that there might be some issues with some Clan/Fam members in recording verses for a project that ends up marketed as a "Wu-Tang Clan" album, especially with them possibly wanting more money on the back end.

I thought pharma-bro buying it was a bad look for both the brand & the "reclaiming music as art" concept. I've lessened on that slightly as it's made Martin more the villain and Wu/this album a bit more mythic in the long run, but still think it was a bad look overall. Then again, who with that bank wouldn't be some kind of asshole?

And I thought the single album concept was going to be a new model for an investor to pay for the single album and then it was their onus to further try and capitalize on it & it'd flip the industry model on its head (instead of up front advance to artist w/ recouping the production cost & very little on the back end for artists, the artist presents a completed work that the industry has to pay a great amount for and then that industry has to figure out how to profit on it themselves). So the 88 years/not capitalizing was a let down as I was thinking the album could be used as a new way for artists to profit in the dying music industry, while Cilva was looking more for a re conception of music as art itself.

Again, anyone who was here at the time knows the situation & it just comes down to how you feel about how it went down. Cilva gets overly vilified on here b/c they take something they were let into the inside process of during its early stages turning into something they were denied having as a betrayal. I think it's unfortunate that well-meant inclusion led to people getting pissed when they were excluded, but I understand why they might feel that way too. Cilva ended up making the best moves he saw to sell his album and in most respects he succeeded. That's probably not going to make a difference to the people who feel put out, but that's the impasse this board is at.

Also, disagree w/ the "web of lies" as I think the only misdirection in this whole thing was in the marketing. We were in on the process when he transitioned this from what it was to what it became, which is just a concept becoming something solid & different than what it began as.

And agreed people are too ready to jump all over any & everything Wu here & overrate things, but it's a Wu board, so that's going to happen.

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thanks for chiming in Buddah MAC. atleast i know your words can be trusted for the most part, you've been around the wu-internet a long time and have always been on point. and i can value your opinions, views, and info...i wasnt around for that thread, but i still believe cilvaringz is a snake and perpetual liar. sure, he can do what he wants with his work, and morph and evolve it as he goes along, i wont dispute that. but there still seems something fishy about this whole thing...

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Originally Posted by Brolic Child

you as much as anyone should remember the eurofags at the old Wu-Tang World site of kennyrza's that i helped make defunct because they didnt like a few american fans showing up there and being realistic about Wu-Tang as opposed to constant dick riding...

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suck this drunk alcohol dick

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Originally Posted by Brolic Child

you as much as anyone should remember the eurofags at the old Wu-Tang World site of kennyrza's that i helped make defunct because they didnt like a few american fans showing up there and being realistic about Wu-Tang as opposed to constant dick riding...

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