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Back before the start of the second half of the season, I remember them saying on ESPN that the Yankees were going to be having an easier schedule the second half of the season, cause many of the teams they were going to be playing were weak. I didn't expect them to get as close as they did to the Red Sox though. Like has been said before, you can't always buy a winning team. The Yankees always have the biggest payroll, but they haven't won the World Series in a while. I remember when they played the Marlins in the World Series. The Marlins had like a $500 payroll and the Yankees had like a $10 trillion pay roll, and they still ended up losing. Maybe it's time to rebuild the team. Their owner is a dickhead. He should be the first to go.

Hey if your team doesn't make the playoffs for 12 straight years, and you have yet to even see a WS win.. you got no where to talk shit even you BoSox fans you think you're the shit you win 1 WS in 1,000 years.

Joe Torre is not the problem. Fire him, and alot of you players will leave with him. But that would be good for NY, because they need to rebuild. Signing Barry Bonds will only dig them into a deeper hole. They dont need a forty something head case close to retirement.

They won all those rings in the nineties with no names...none were perennial all stars. Jeter only cuz he's popular, but look at Jeters numbers every year. Not great...solid, but not GREAT. But he's clutch.....case in point A Rod...big numbers in the reg. season, but nothing in the post.
Pitching is what wins in the playoffs.....the Tribe has it, the Yankees dont. Pettitte and Rivera were the only two who were decent for NY. And both are old.
They need to keep Chamberlain, and rebuild with the youth.

But fuck em.....they got a madman for an owner. I dont feel bad for them. Arrogance will bring them down.

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Originally Posted by baby jesus

Man I Gotta Say I Was Off Base The Indians Proved There A Really Really Good Team In The Realm Of The Yankees And Red Sox. They Came To Play And The Yankees Didnt. I Think They Exposed Wang A Little Bit In This Series He's Not As Good As I Thought He Was. I Just Hope They Take Out Boston I Doubt It Though Unfortunatly The Only Team That Was Gonna Stop Boston Was The Yankees And They Just Didnt Get It Done.

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How was the Yankees going to possible stop Boston with that pitching staff??? They were terrible. THe Indians were a better team all year than NY....the difference? The Yankees get all the exposure, and they had an MVP candidate.
Regular season head to head is meaningless. IN the playoffs, you face the other team at its best, unlike in the reg. season were you may be facing some scrub starter.
Obviously the Yanks were not all they were cracked up to be.....overrated.

Still no love for Fausto Carmona???? That guy is unbelievable. ESPN needs to cover the other 30 teams in the MLB besides the Yanks and sox.

Well I Disagree I Still Think The Yankees Are The Better Team But Clevand Stepped Up And Come Through,In The Playoffs The Best Team Doesnt Always Win. I Just Think The Yankees Have The Best Team To Face The Red Sox Even Though The Bats Werent Alive They Can Hit With Boston And A Huge Key They Have Rivera. If You Have A Lead In The Ninth Theres No Way Borowski Is Gettin The Save Against The Red Sox I Hope I'm Wrong Though.

You Said Pettite And Rivera Were The Only Good Ones But Hughes Looked Pretty Good Too So Thats Exciting For Next Year.

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Originally Posted by NickyTooch

How was the Yankees going to possible stop Boston with that pitching staff??? They were terrible. THe Indians were a better team all year than NY....the difference? The Yankees get all the exposure, and they had an MVP candidate.
Regular season head to head is meaningless. IN the playoffs, you face the other team at its best, unlike in the reg. season were you may be facing some scrub starter.
Obviously the Yanks were not all they were cracked up to be.....overrated.

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how are we overrated? we werent supposed to make the playoffs but we did and we played a great team that had 96 wins.

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Originally Posted by NickyTooch

Joe Torre is not the problem. Fire him, and alot of you players will leave with him. But that would be good for NY, because they need to rebuild. Signing Barry Bonds will only dig them into a deeper hole. They dont need a forty something head case close to retirement.

They won all those rings in the nineties with no names...none were perennial all stars. Jeter only cuz he's popular, but look at Jeters numbers every year. Not great...solid, but not GREAT. But he's clutch.....case in point A Rod...big numbers in the reg. season, but nothing in the post.
Pitching is what wins in the playoffs.....the Tribe has it, the Yankees dont. Pettitte and Rivera were the only two who were decent for NY. And both are old.
They need to keep Chamberlain, and rebuild with the youth.

But fuck em.....they got a madman for an owner. I dont feel bad for them. Arrogance will bring them down.

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I have a friend who is a huge Yankee fan, and trust me Nicky Joe Torre WAS a HUGE part of the problem. Let's look at his track record in the playoffs and regular season over the past few years. Look at the shitty decisions, culminating last night with his decision to start Wang on 3 days rest instead of Mussina, Think about the number of young arms he has simply ruined by overuse. Personally I think he was getting senile. It was time to go.
and they won in the nineties, because it was one miracle after another.

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Originally Posted by NickyTooch

How was the Yankees going to possible stop Boston with that pitching staff??? They were terrible. THe Indians were a better team all year than NY....the difference? The Yankees get all the exposure, and they had an MVP candidate.
Regular season head to head is meaningless. IN the playoffs, you face the other team at its best, unlike in the reg. season were you may be facing some scrub starter.
Obviously the Yanks were not all they were cracked up to be.....overrated.

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Let's not forget. they played Baltimore and Tampa Bay 25 times after the break.

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Originally Posted by baby jesus

Well I Disagree I Still Think The Yankees Are The Better Team But Clevand Stepped Up And Come Through,In The Playoffs The Best Team Doesnt Always Win. I Just Think The Yankees Have The Best Team To Face The Red Sox Even Though The Bats Werent Alive They Can Hit With Boston And A Huge Key They Have Rivera. If You Have A Lead In The Ninth Theres No Way Borowski Is Gettin The Save Against The Red Sox I Hope I'm Wrong Though.

You Said Pettite And Rivera Were The Only Good Ones But Hughes Looked Pretty Good Too So Thats Exciting For Next Year.

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How were the Yankees the better team? Did they have a better record? Are their starters better? Clearly not. Are their relievers better? Not really. Is the offense better? Clearly not. Is the manager better? I'm a better manager than Joe Torre and that isn't saying much. Wedge did NOTHING wrong in the series at all as far as I can tell. There is a laundry list of stupid decisions by Torre in that series.

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Originally Posted by Quiet Storm

how are we overrated? we werent supposed to make the playoffs but we did and we played a great team that had 96 wins.

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You WERE supposed to make the playoffs, remember? Over $200 million dollar payroll? Ring a bell? Preseason predictions? Horrible start? Any of this coming to you? So, you were overrated before the season, really overrated in the first 50 games, slightly overrated in the last 112 games, and WAY overrated in the playoffs. So when were they underrated?

we dont have a payroll over 200 million. yea, we're always picked in preseason to win the east or atleast make the playoffs but thats only based on what happend the past year and on the offseason. You cant predict key injuries to a team. Theres alot of things that happend in a season that could turnout to be good or bad. This year we did so bad so early because of injuries to our pitching staff that resulted in bad starts from pitchers that werent unproven pitchers. If anything, we were underrated at that point of the season because we didnt have a healthy team so we couldnt showcase our full strength. If we didnt have so much injuries at the beginning of the year, in my opinion we would've won the east.

I see BeautifulRock dropped that sig, haha

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Originally Posted by Quiet Storm

we dont have a payroll over 200 million.

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really?

this was the OPENING day payroll $195,229,045

How much was it after they signed Roger Clemens?

Check the facts.

I do too, I was gonna say " beautifulrock, under your sig it says 2006 NL East champions, how come it doesnt 2007?, didnt you guys have a big lead at the end of season? oh yeeeaa! you guys lost to WASHINGTON and FLORIDA at the end of the season."

Yeah The Line Up Clearly Isnt Better Because Your Going By A Four Game Sample Where They Played Shitty I Dont Believe There Line Up Is Better.

For The Joe Torre Thing The Only Thing That I Agree With Is That He's Sometimes Shakey With How He Handles The Bullpen And Exhaust Pitchers And Maybe Some Times Relying On Veteran Players To Much I Would Have Liked To See Shelly Duncan Get A Few More At-Bats. Other Then That What Coach Is Gonna Handle New York As Well As He Has? Who Else Can Keep This Team With Veterans With Ego's As Level Headed As He Has? Thinking About Tony La Russa In The Yankee Uniform Is Cringe Worthy. Blame The Upper Managment For The Kei Igawa, Kevin Brown, Javier Vazquez, Carl Pavano, Randy Johnson, And Kyle Farnsworth Mistakes. Blame Jeter For Hitting Into 80 Double Plays And Not Showing Up This Series. How Is Any Of That Joe Torres Fault. He's The Right Manager For This Yankee Club. When They Get Rid Of Him It's Gonna Be A Mistake.

George basically has won the two last World Series we lost.. thanks to the shady tactics of the MLB.. the luxory taxes payed in 01 and 03 went to signing those fine pitching staffs the DBacks and Marlins had. Why do you think Rockies and Dbacks are back? Because George is paying those small clubs a fat check before every year simply because his ballclub makes money thanks to a loyal NY fanbase.

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Originally Posted by Dirty Knowledge

I see BeautifulRock dropped that sig, haha

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How gay are you waiting to say that? I knew it was coming too, hey I supported my team even after they collapsed. You talked about your team like they were God's gift, where are they now? And where is your support?

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Originally Posted by Quiet Storm

I do too, I was gonna say " beautifulrock, under your sig it says 2006 NL East champions, how come it doesnt 2007?, didnt you guys have a big lead at the end of season? oh yeeeaa! you guys lost to WASHINGTON and FLORIDA at the end of the season."

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Now you're being a douche? I thought you had a hint of class. Guess not. Oh btw after luxury taxes and insurance the Yanks pay over a quarter of a billion dollars to field that team.

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Originally Posted by baby jesus

Yeah The Line Up Clearly Isnt Better Because Your Going By A Four Game Sample Where They Played Shitty I Dont Believe There Line Up Is Better.

For The Joe Torre Thing The Only Thing That I Agree With Is That He's Sometimes Shakey With How He Handles The Bullpen And Exhaust Pitchers And Maybe Some Times Relying On Veteran Players To Much I Would Have Liked To See Shelly Duncan Get A Few More At-Bats. Other Then That What Coach Is Gonna Handle New York As Well As He Has? Who Else Can Keep This Team With Veterans With Ego's As Level Headed As He Has? Thinking About Tony La Russa In The Yankee Uniform Is Cringe Worthy. Blame The Upper Managment For The Kei Igawa, Kevin Brown, Javier Vazquez, Carl Pavano, Randy Johnson, And Kyle Farnsworth Mistakes. Blame Jeter For Hitting Into 80 Double Plays And Not Showing Up This Series. How Is Any Of That Joe Torres Fault. He's The Right Manager For This Yankee Club. When They Get Rid Of Him It's Gonna Be A Mistake.

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What does a manager do besides make line-up cards and handle pitching changes? Don't talk anymore, every thing you say is blatantly ignorant.

Hahaha Just Look At Willie Randolph And The Mets They Wouldnt Even Play For Him Down The Stretch Bashin Him And Shit. Theres More To It Then Just Pitching Changes. Do You Seriously Think This Team Would Play For Someone Like Lou Pinellia Yellin At All The Veterans Your Crazy.

Dude, Lou Piniella is a cupcake in real life. The only people he yells at are umpires, (mostly for show)his players love him, especially Alex Rodriguez. And Randolph should have been fired, I won't defend him. I hated every move he made down the stretch.

once again, I really wish you wouldn't talk, ignorance spews from you like water through a flood pipe.

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Originally Posted by beautifulrock

Now you're being a douche? I thought you had a hint of class. Guess not. Oh btw after luxury taxes and insurance the Yanks pay over a quarter of a billion dollars to field that team.

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yes, I was thinking of it but I did not post it. I was gonna say it since you and other people have been bad mouthing the Yankees like if the Yankees have done everything wrong and our team has done everything right but its koo. How can you think I had a hint of class if you've been using insulting names on a internet forum?

Haha Jesus was they really putting Randy on blast? No lie, I went to that Yankee/Devil Ray series for a week and I came back and the Mets are up 1 game LOL final series of the year. I thought they were a lock. But I hadn't heard of the Willie bashing. That's fucked up because Willie is a Yankee at heart just look at him for the Bronx is Burning extras LOL in a fresh Yankee cap and Yankee jacket haha that's my boy.. I hope he does good though next year. As for Lou, man fuck that. And Bobby Valentine I hope not, Joe smoked that ass in the Subway Series. Me, I want Giradi and that's that. Keep Guidry as the pitching coach, keep Donny Baseball around but let Giradi have a shot. If not, let Joe have 1 more go next year.

I can't believe they bashed Willie lmao, talk about class. The Mets don't even need a coach with that team, IMO. And they trying to throw my boy Willie under the bus. That's foul.

Yeah Billy Wagner Was Bashin Him And Theres Rumblings That The Club House Is All Messed Up. I Like Willie To I Wouldnt Mind Seein Him On Yankee Bench Again. But If Torre Goes I Gotta Say I Would Like Tony Pena To Take Over But Thats Probably A Long Shot.

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Originally Posted by Quiet Storm

yes, I was thinking of it but I did not post it. I was gonna say it since you and other people have been bad mouthing the Yankees like if the Yankees have done everything wrong and our team has done everything right but its koo. How can you think I had a hint of class if you've been using insulting names on a internet forum?

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You didn't say anything last week when it happened. Bringing it up now is just a waste of air. Like I said before, I think you are really talented, (just a little ignorant with your baseball knowledge) but attacking me for liking the Mets isn't gonna get you any points with anyone, so why bother?

Jose Reyes is making rap albums, I remember hearing about that. That's cool and all, but it proves his mind isn't 100% World Series Ring.

Conneticuit needs a sports team of their own bad..

Dirty Knowledge is a great name for you.

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Originally Posted by beautifulrock

Dude, Lou Piniella is a cupcake in real life. The only people he yells at are umpires, (mostly for show)his players love him, especially Alex Rodriguez. And Randolph should have been fired, I won't defend him. I hated every move he made down the stretch.

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he probably should have been fired but not all fingers should be pointed at him. IDK exactly what it was but jose reyes batted around 200. somewhere around the streach and of coarse, Tom Glavine couldnt get through one inning when his team really needed him

Willie comes from the Joe Torre school of managing, he overused his bullpen and screwed with the line up down the stretch. You guys can have him. Say all you want about this player or that, but at the end of the day its the managers job to motivate and make the right decisions that lead to a win. Willie didn't do that. He was an empty uniform down the stretch.

What happened when Steve Phillips tried to buy a World Series?

Joe Torre.

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Originally Posted by Dirty Knowledge

What happened when Steve Phillips tried to buy a World Series?

Joe Torre.

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are you crazy or just fucking stupid? Steve Phillips gathered bargain basement players for that world series. God you are so stupid. Why do i even bother? Every successive thing you say is more retarded than the last....

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Originally Posted by beautifulrock

You didn't say anything last week when it happened. Bringing it up now is just a waste of air. Like I said before, I think you are really talented, (just a little ignorant with your baseball knowledge) but attacking me for liking the Mets isn't gonna get you any points with anyone, so why bother?

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I didnt because I didnt think you would bash the Yankees so much. I didnt think that comment I was gonna say to you was attacking you for liking the Mets, I was just having a little fun, nothing personal. I dont bash or attack ppl for liking a certain team or sport, my cousin is a mets/red sox fan, we get along just fine, we have never had heated debates about our team or held grudges because we like two teams that are rivals.

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Originally Posted by Quiet Storm

I didnt because I didnt think you would bash the Yankees so much. I didnt think that comment I was gonna say to you was attacking you for liking the Mets, I was just having a little fun, nothing personal. I dont bash or attack ppl for liking a certain team or sport, my cousin is a mets/red sox fan, we get along just fine, we have never had heated debates about our team or held grudges because we like two teams that are rivals.

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I predicted they would lose and dedicated a song to Joe Torre, and there wasn't anything I said that wasn't straight up fact. But it's all good, I still think you're cool, I can't wait to fight about the same shit next year. Go Rockies

im not a yankee fan but with them out and detroit not being in it i no longer have an interest in this years post season.

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Originally Posted by beautifulrock

I predicted they would lose and dedicated a song to Joe Torre, and there wasn't anything I said that wasn't straight up fact. But it's all good, I still think you're cool, I can't wait to fight about the same shit next year. Go Rockies

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lol true. But you have to admit it, ever since that Mets thread was posted, the sports section has been more alive.

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Originally Posted by PLUTONIUM

im not a yankee fan but with them out and detroit not being in it i no longer have an interest in this years post season.

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Same here. The NLCS doesnt look so good to me but the ALCS, I'll watch some games. My team is out so now its time to turn my focus to football. GO BIG D!

If you no longer have an interest in the postseason than you aren't a true fan of baseball, both series should be epic, as will the world series, I personally find the Diamondbacks-Rockies series incredibly intriguing. Hell, any series in that beautiful ballpark in Denver would be incredible to watch, humidor or not.

Prediction, because of the location of the parks, I say the National League games will be rather high scoring while the ALCS will be low scoring battles. Expect one or two extra inning games in that series. Something tells me the Sox will be playing from behind most of the series and the Indians will pull it out in 6, The Rockies are on such a roll, they've lost 1 game in the last 3 weeks, expect much of the same against the D'backs with the Rock's celibrating in front of their home fans en route to the World Series.

Like has been said... Jeter is known for being cluth, but he didn't step up to the plate this past series against the Indians. What was his batting average in that series? Like .160? And how many hits into double plays? The better team won. Just like last season, when the Tigers beat the Yankees.

I'd like to see the Indians defeat the Red Sox. The obession of some of those Boston people scares me.

Yeah, Jeter was the biggest surprise of this postseason. Major letdown. I halfway expected those other guys to not get in to it.. but that goes to show that this team has no heart. Jeter probably felt like the only guy out there who wanted to really win for Joe Torre. Posada wasn't no good spot either. The entire lineup's at fault. Changes will be made, I hope for the better. But yeah, Jeter batting .016 or whatever was really shameful, worst part of losing to me because now not only do the Yankee haters get to run shit, but the Jeter haters get to come out in full effect.

Jeter was hurt somepoint during the end of season, thats partly why he did so bad, I believe it was his ankle or wrist, not to sure

It was his right-left knee, I believe. But it was one of the legs. And yeah you're right, he was hurt but it's no excuse to be making and Jeter will never make it. It was obvious he was still lingering. Same with Matsui, definitly. But yeah.. when Jeter bats in to 4 double plays... you just wonder.

yea of coarse, it shouldnt be used as an excuse but his injury did contribute to his performance, thats all im saying. The real question to wonder is wtf happend to chien-ming wang..