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nice roll rock...puts my $150 made this month to shame...lol jk anyone who can make some money without a deposit is at least decent.
that won tourney on the 15th was key...after that seems that you placed high in a few others on average every 4 days.
The shape of my bank I now have room for more $2, 5, & 10 tournament opportunities instead of playing the dime and quarter tables.
I just had to post this. This just happened to me in a tournament and is one of my favorite slowplay. I call it the third wheel or hitchhiker slow play.
blinds 15/30
ardyess is in the sb for 15
guilty sham is in the bb for 30
all fold to me and i limp in with 5s 5d in 5th position
ardyess calls
guilty sham checks
flop 10s 9d 5c
ardeyss bets 30 the minimum
guilty sham raises to 90
I flat call
ardyess calls
turn 3c
ardyess checks
guilty sham bets 210
I flat call
ardyess calls
river 9h
ardyess checks
guiltysham checks
i go all in for 710
ardyess folds
guilty sham calls and shows As Th for 2 pair tens and nines with an ace kicker
i have fives full of nines and win a pot of 2440
So what happened?
I limped in middle position because i saw that guiltysham was in the big blind and one of the looser players raising and calling raises a lot. With a hand like pocket fives my hope is to hit a set and have him controlling the action in early position. His check in the big blind surprised me (even much more so later when I found out he actually had a hand) but when the flop came 10 high with a rainbow and I hit the set in position I knew I had struck gold. I remember thinking before the betting began 'how am I gonna extract as many chips....oh wait... a bet!...a raise!!! Now I can re-raise and surely blow the original bettor off the hand, or I can hitchhike in the hand and simply call representing a top pair with an unsure kicker or a draw hand like queen jack. Not only did this plan work as ardyess called but it also induced a second bet on the turn. At this point I could have raised and again blown ardyess off the hand who at this point I put on queen jack or king jack but that three on the turn was a great card for me as I was pretty sure one of the two was drawing dead. ardyess called the 210 bet and I hoped the board paired as the river fell. The actions were a blur. they checked quickly, I went all in quickly, ardyess folded quickly and guilty sham called in a flash. The result of the hand was inevitable as far as sham was concerned but by playing it the way I did, got another 270 chips from ardyess. This is an example of a good time to slowplay and why you should always watch out for that third wheel in the hand who is slow calling everything.
And heres how June finished...hopefully It will be enough to crack the top 3 for the site. I got my tracking number for my check for $600 so I should get that soon. Will be posting on further developments...
120.00-->5520.18 -/29
21.00 -->5541.18 -/29
16.38 -->5524.56 -/29
120.00-->5432.06 -/29
25.85 -->5435.91 -/29
180.00-->5483.91 -/29
800.00-->5777.01 -/30
I played every day only failing to cash on the 1st, 14th, 23rd and 28th. The 14th and 28th were especially horrible days in which I blew a total of $800 without cashing once.
I started the month with 2011.72 and finished with 5777.01 with a cashout of $600. A total net gain of 4365.29
I finished 5th for the month which netted me an extra $380 in tournament credits. I just found bluffmagazine.com has the online statistics for certain sites. I registered and found my stats on bodog. check yours out, mine look like this...
Winnings:...............$17,833.34
Biggest Cash:..........$1,800.00
Average Cash:.........$151.13
Biggest Buyin:.........$100.00
Wins:.....................16...........2.87%
Seconds:................14...........2.51%
Thirds:....................8............1.44%
Top Three Rate:.....................6.82%
Final Tables:............74.........13.29%
Cashes:..................118........21.18%
Average Finish:.....................42/100
Average Field Size:....................225
Total Played:............................557
Longest Non-Cash Streak: 20
Date............Buyin.......Tournament/Event......Place....Entrants...Winnings
7/1/2007.......$20........NL Hold'em+Rebuys......11.........126........$83.28
7/1/2007.......$10...........NL Hold'em..............37.........449........$18.00
6/30/2007......$30.......NL Hold'em+Rebuys.......5...........99.......$800.00
6/29/2007......$7............NL Hold'em...............5..........322......$180.00
6/29/2007......$10..........PL Hold'em................7..........47.........$25.8 5
6/29/2007......$30..........NL Hold'em...............15.........221......$120.00
6/28/2007......$10..........NL Hold'em...............24.........234........$16.38
6/28/2007......$5........NL Hold'em+Rebuys........23.........216.......$21.00
6/28/2007......$30.......NL Hold'em+Rebuys.......13.........134......$120.00
6/26/2007......$20..........NL Hold'em................4..........504......$705.60
6/26/2007......$10..........NL Hold'em................3..........150......$178.50
6/26/2007......$50..........NL Hold'em...............18.........207......$132.00
6/25/2007......$10.......NL Hold'em+Rebuys.......14.........189........$54.00
6/25/2007......$5...........PL Hold'em.................2...........24........$36. 00
6/25/2007......$5...........NL Hold'em.................7...........54........$14. 85
6/24/2007......$20.........NL Hold'em.................31........441........$50.0 0
6/24/2007......$12.......NL Hold'em+Rebuys........11........188........$66.09
6/24/2007......$7...........NL Hold'em.................4...........77........$55. 00
6/24/2007......$10..........NL Hold'em.................2..........36.......$109.0 0
6/24/2007......$20.......NL Hold'em+Rebuys.........3........117.......$714.00
6/22/2007......$12..........NL Hold'em................11........135........$60.00
6/22/2007......$10..........NL Hold'em.................2.........18.........$71.0 0
6/22/2007......$20.......NL Hold'em+Rebuys.........5........115.......$400.40
6/21/2007......$5.........NL Hold'em+Rebuys........1.........228.......$825.00
6/21/2007......$30..........NL Hold'em................17........234.......$120.00
6/21/2007......$10..........NL Hold'em.................5..........77.........$61. 60
6/21/2007......$5............NL Hold'em................1..........61.........$91.5 0
6/20/2007......$10.......NL Hold'em+Rebuys.........2........198.......$964.00
6/20/2007......$12.......NL Hold'em+Rebuys........16........147........$60.00
6/20/2007......$20..........NL Hold'em.................3..........72.......$172.8 0
6/19/2007......$10..........NL Hold'em.................5..........90.........$72. 00
6/18/2007......$20.......NL Hold'em+Rebuys........10........113........$72.00
6/17/2007......$50..........NL Hold'em................42........629.......$140.00
6/17/2007......$7............NL Hold'em.................1..........72........$55.0 0
6/17/2007......$100.........NL Hold'em................12........243......$480.00
6/16/2007......$30..........NL Hold'em..................2.........40.......$288.0 0
6/16/2007......$5.........NL Hold'em+Rebuys.........3.........34.........$56.00
6/16/2007......$20..........NL Hold'em.................17.......117........$72.00
6/15/2007......$10..........NL Hold'em..................4.........69........$69.0 0
6/15/2007......$20.......NL Hold'em+Rebuys..........1.......108.....$1,800.00
6/13/2007......$5.........NL Hold'em+Rebuys.........5.........40.........$36.00
6/11/2007......$5.........NL Hold'em+Rebuys........25.......221.........$21.00
6/10/2007......$20..........NL Hold'em.................33.......387........$40.00
6/10/2007......$10..........NL Hold'em..................1.........40.......$109.0 0
6/10/2007......$5.........NL Hold'em+Rebuys.........8.........47.........$24.75
6/10/2007......$10..........NL Hold'em..................1.......134.......$402.00
6/10/2007......$20..........NL Hold'em..................4.......104.......$166.00
6/9/2007........$5...........NL Hold'em..................3.......207.......$348.00
6/8/2007........$10..........NL Hold'em.................2.......162........$900.00
6/7/2007........$5...........NL Hold'em.................13.......215........$36.00
6/7/2007........$10..........NL Hold'em.................14......493.........$55.00
6/7/2007........$10..........NL Hold'em.................7........115........$40.00
6/7/2007........$20..........NL Hold'em.................16......126.........$77.00
6/6/2007........$50..........NL Hold'em.................40......612.......$175.00
6/6/2007........$10..........NL Hold'em.................38......429.........$18.00
6/5/2007........$50..........NL Hold'em.................63......684.......$125.00
6/5/2007........$5...........NL Hold'em...................3.......54.........$32.4 0
6/5/2007........$12..........NL Hold'em..................6.......153......$100.00
6/5/2007........$20..........NL Hold'em.................18......120........$72.00
6/4/2007........$10..........NL Hold'em.................12......531........$58.41
6/4/2007........$10.......NL Hold'em+Rebuys.........21......215........$34.09
6/4/2007........$20..........PL Hold'em..................3........45.......$144.00
6/3/2007........$15..........NL Hold'em..................9.......162........$42.50
6/2/2007........$10..........NL Hold'em..................2.......139......$278.00
6/1/2007........$5.........NL Hold'em+Rebuys.........7.......212.......$105.00
5/31/2007......$15..........NL Hold'em..................1.......149.......$670.50
5/31/2007 .....$5............PL Hold'em..................2........36.........$43.2 0
5/30/2007......$12........NL Hold'em+Rebuys........18.......144.......$60.00
5/30/2007......$10..........NL Hold'em.................16.......459........$50.49
5/29/2007......$10........NL Hold'em+Rebuys........11.......194.......$54.84
5/29/2007......$15..........NL Hold'em..................8.........96........$64.8 0
5/29/2007......$5..........NL Hold'em+Rebuys........1.........24.......$127.50
5/29/2007......$50..........NL Hold'em.................27.......225........$78.75
5/28/2007......$5..........NL Hold'em+Rebuys........16.......250.......$36.00
5/28/2007......$10.........NL Hold'em+Rebuys........8........216......$124.54
5/27/2007......$4..........NL Hold'em+Rebuys.........1.......175......$109.00
5/26/2007......$5..........NL Hold'em+Rebuys.........5.......196......$195.00
5/26/2007......$10...........NL Hold'em.................18......441........$49.50
5/26/2007......$4.............NL Hold'em.................8.......159......$109.00
5/25/2007......$10...........NL Hold'em................42.......486........$20.00
5/25/2007......$2.............NL Hold'em.................2.......108........$99.00
5/25/2007......$12...........NL Hold'em.................5........141......$130.00
5/24/2007......$5.............NL Hold'em.................9.......195........$51.00
5/23/2007......$12.........NL Hold'em+Rebuys.......12.......153........$60.00
5/23/2007......$5.............NL Hold'em.................1.........43......$204.00
5/23/2007......$12...........NL Hold'em.................1........155......$600.00
5/22/2007......$10...........NL Hold'em.................26.......216.......$17.50
5/21/2007......$2..........NL Hold'em+Rebuys.........2.........90.......$93.20
5/20/2007......$10...........NL Hold'em.................3........207......$240.00
5/19/2007......$10...........NL Hold'em................10.......434........$55.00
5/19/2007......$2..........NL Hold'em+Rebuys.........8.........72.......$15.30
5/19/2007......$7.............NL Hold'em................26.......405.......$21.00
5/18/2007......$4.............NL Hold'em.................1........135.....$140.00
5/18/2007......$20............NL Hold'em................34.......387.......$40.00
5/18/2007......$5...........NL Hold'em+Rebuys........2.........16.......$72.00
5/18/2007......$2...........NL Hold'em+Rebuys.......16.......169.......$12.00
5/17/2007......$12............NL Hold'em................16.......162.......$24.00
5/17/2007......$2...........NL Hold'em+Rebuys.......17.......183.......$12.00
5/17/2007......$10............NL Hold'em................17.......387.......$54.00
5/16/2007......$10............NL Hold'em................18.......486.......$55.00
5/16/2007......$2...........NL Hold'em+Rebuys.......14.......171.......$12.00
5/15/2007......$4..............NL Hold'em................1........202.....$202.00
5/15/2007......$2...........NL Hold'em+Rebuys........9........162.......$17.00
5/14/2007......$4..............NL Hold'em................2........119.......$80.00
5/12/2007......$4...........NL Hold'em+Rebuys........1........147.....$109.00
5/12/2007......$7..............NL Hold'em...............22.......387.......$21.00
5/10/2007......$2...........NL Hold'em+Rebuys........9.........83.......$16.66
5/10/2007......$1..............NL Hold'em................2........150......$30.00
5/10/2007......$7..............NL Hold'em...............15.......292.......$36.00
5/8/2007........$10............NL Hold'em...............33.......495.......$25.00
5/6/2007........$10............NL Hold'em...............12.......429.......$49.50
5/4/2007........$2...........NL Hold'em+Rebuys........1.......108.....$158.40
5/4/2007........$5.............NL Hold'em.................2.........63.......$63.00
5/2/2007........$2...........NL Hold'em+Rebuys........1.......160.....$300.00
5/1/2007........$2...........NL Hold'em+Rebuys.......10.......186......$12.00
4/30/2007......$2...........NL Hold'em+Rebuys .......17......175.......$12.00
4/29/2007......$2............NL Hold'em+Rebuys.......15......117........$6.81
4/28/2007......$2............NL Hold'em+Rebuys........7........95.......$25.85
Cashes:..........118.......100.00%
Wins:..............16..........13.56%
Seconds:.........14..........11.86%
Thirds:.............8............6.78%
Final Tables:.....65.........55.08%
lost another house game of poker tonight... the losing streak continues.
lets try and turn it around. pm me with your thoughts and problems and I will try to help you.Quote:
Originally Posted by sean michael
thanks man, but i dunno, i seem to be playing decently and then becoming distracted or just undisiplined for a few hands and fucking up.
for instance tonight, had a large chip lead, and i was conserving well and winning the odd pot adding to my chip stack. then a hand came along that i was liking my cards. i think i had k10, and a 10 A 4 came down on the flop. and i bet representing the ace, taking a risk, still a fairly low bet though and my opponent did an over the top deliberation, which seemed to obvious to warrant any attention. i mention to him that he has a nice ace... thinking that this is what he wants me to think (i probably should keep my mouth shut lol)
next card comes down and it was irrelevant, we both check
and another ace comes out on the river, so i represent the ace again with a decent bet, and my opponent goes all in.
now instead of stopping to think "hm, this guy might have an ace", i did an auto call, and regreted it straight away. he flips his cards over an shows me his ace, killing me with 3 of a kind.
thing was, he knew the entire time that he had me beat, because he was holding the ace. so my attempt to represent it was totally void. i thought i was stringing him along, ignored his signs. i was particularly annoyed with myself at over thinking his deliberation on calling after the flop, i basically just thought that no player would be that blatant.
i go from chip leader, to handing a large chunk to him.
after this i played fairly conservatively, held my chips, doubled up once.
then i got tempted into another hand, similar situation, i cant remember the exact details. and i got destroyed again.
so i dont know where i can specifically improve....
Sean Michael....that other guy played that move alright (although I would have been more wary with a 3 kicker). Sometimes you need to think why some people are willing to hold onto their hands and call you. It is a coincidence that Rock made a post (actually a few of them) about slow playing like this not too far back. It plays very well in the middle of tournaments....here it is:
Sometimes you need to be wary of who flopped what. When I flop a straight or a flush I only bet about 40% of the time on the flop...mostly if Im just trying to protect it. Then just call and not bet, raise, or check-raise until the turn or the river. The better and more experienced players are better at detecting what you really have instead of you trying to convince them you hit the turn or river overpair or something and might just fold. But many other players you can trap.Quote:
Originally Posted by beautifulrock
I don't mind representing top pair when the board is say jack or queen high, but if you do it with an ace on board you are asking for trouble especially if you get a call. His play was the perfect set-up and the river card was a bingo for him as it disguised his hand further along with the check on the turn. These plays are killers as they snowball out of control and eat at your stack. My suggestion is to play less poker all the way and play a more definite style of poker with a big stack, that is place huge bets at shortstacks to try and steal or race and if you must bluff, try it only one barrelled on the flop and give up if called or raised. stab at small plots pre and post flop or go for the double up with big hands but dont get involved too much and watch your river betting. Dont bet mediocre hands for value and try to play "behind" your opponent on the river. This is essential in a tourny. Always try to be the last to act.
In the back of your mind you should always be thinking that an ace could be in play. It's the #1 card to play and with more and more players it becomes more and more likely that it is being played. The very stupedest thing you can do in the game is to call an all in with a nine when kqjt is on the board. Yet I have seen it. People lie to themselves. And that can be one of the dividing lines between success and failure. Use common sense. Reason out the solution. Make the right decision. And don't let outside influences impede your decision making.
The site that I play at WPX has changed slightly. Instead of 100% rakeback at the end of the week, it is now 75%. That means the limit tables are a little less appealing but still not too bad. Losing with AA still gets reimbursed at $1/2 and up.
5K added tournaments 3 times a week ($10 + 0) is their way of trying to get more traffic in. Usually there is less than 1000 people online at a time. I kinda like the tournament idea better....they were lacking in that department.....without reducing the rakeback to 75% they wouldn't be able to pull it off.
First tourney starts tonight....Im giving it a try since I estimate only 300-350 players will start making the total pot 5000+3000 = 8k
Damn....I wish i could play on bodog :P
cheers for the advice guys, all good stuff.
i rarley bluff in general play, as i said though, i seem to lose concentration on some hands when i have a chip lead...consequently finding myself to far into hands.
again, his blatant sign seemed ridiculous to me, and i guess in the end put me off completely.
anyway, im tightening up my play, i just have lapses at times lol.
update:
played another house game tonight, its and it felt like one of the best ive played.
i was extremely tight and aggressive and won basically every pot i was involved in during the first 2 hours. i think i played as well as i ever have, maybe adjusting my betting schemes would have lead to larger pay offs, but i was chip leader all game.
until:
3 players left, pre flop all in from short stack with about 1500 in chips, the next player calls, me being in good position and holding JJ i call also.
i lay down my jj
the player who went all in pre flop show 22
and the other player shows kj of suit, or something similar.
basically at this stage im backing myself with the knowledge that i have an upper hand, however the flop comes down, and the third card is a 2.
the next two cards improve neither my hand or my opponents and the player with poker 2's steals the pot.
the game progresses, i regain some chips, and the 3rd player is knocked out.
heads up.
i play tight and aggressive, all in with any pair above 5's and with any k and ace combo. it pays off well, i draw level with my opponent.
then , im big blind, him small. im dealt jj again (an obvious all in with my tactics), and my opponent does the work for me. i call instantly, thinking that jj is a very strong heads up hand.
he lays down Q6 off suit.
basically at this stage i think im going to get some revenge for the early steal when i had pocket jacks.
however, thrid card on the flop is a Q of course, next 2 cards help neither of us and i bow out as i had a slightly smaller chip stack.
in the end, i thought i played well, and i would consider the beats i had as bad ones.
interestingly, when i was beaten with jj while my opponent had 22, he gloated a bit, general bullshit.
i said something like "luck doesnt last", and the jj came up again.... and he got lucky again. oh well.
drops any thoughts on how i could have improved my play on those hands.
3 players left, pre flop all in from short stack with about 1500 in chips, the next player calls, me being in good position and holding JJ i call also.
i lay down my jj
the player who went all in pre flop show 22
and the other player shows kj of suit, or something similar.
basically at this stage im backing myself with the knowledge that i have an upper hand, however the flop comes down, and the third card is a 2.
the next two cards improve neither my hand or my opponents and the player with poker 2's steals the pot.
I'm trying to grasp this situation, Don't say lay down when you mean show, lay down means fold (gets confusing). Now the guy with deuces goes all in for 1500. The guy with kj flat calls? how much did he have after that? Are their sidepots? With Jacks here you really need to isolate against the all in player by pushing yourself and blowing that kj off the hand. Its bad ettiquette while near the money but at a short table its everybody for themselves.
Heads up you did nothing wrong but get unlucky. you were a 3-1 favorite to win the match. Next time its yours.
oh yeah...this right here----->i was extremely tight and aggressive and won basically every pot i was involved in during the first 2 hours. i think i played as well as i ever have, maybe adjusting my betting schemes would have lead to larger pay offs, but i was chip leader all game.
thats the "zone"---remember it.
hm, im trying to remember right now but its alluding me.
edit: ok now i remember, actually 4 players left, the player with dueces was not short stack, he bets the 1500 odd pre flop, the next player folds, then short stack calls all in. hence there was a side pot between me and the guy with 2's and the other player was all in. so we all showed pre flop/.
sorry about my termonology, i basically just play with acquantances and a bit online, so i dont really get into technicalities when it comes to that.
Many times improper termanology can lead to disaater especially when playing in an official live tourny. Case in point a couple of weeks ago on the WPT Kido Pham was in a hand against an all in opponent and made the remarks "Do you want me to call it" and "go ahead you say call or fold" then he made the mistake of saying "fine I'll call it" when he meant to say was I'll make the decision because he had no intention of actually calling with his hand and was putting on a show. But a couple of players caught the slip and the floor was called and it was decided that the "I'll call it" was a verbal declaration and was binding. He consequently lost the hand and many of his chips. So be careful of what and how you say things at the poker table. The term you were looking for there was "showdown" which means to expose all cards in an all in race or on the river when betting is completed. "Laydown" means to fold. So be careful that you don't accidentally muck by saying the wrong thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by sean michael
Other fun poker terms...
the turn - some older players like Tj Cloutier and Doyle Brunson refer to the flop as The turn. Back in the day it was strictly turn 4th and 5th street. The terms flop, turn and river came later.
Dead Man's hand - Refers to Ace Eight in hold em. An omage to Wild Bill Hickock who was shot in the back playing poker. His hand? Two par Aces and eights.
Straddle - In cash games a blind bet to the left of the big blind, double the bb which allows the player to act last preflop. Players to the left have the option to re-straddle for double the previous bet before the cards are dealt. Action starts to the left of the last straddler and you can re-straddle your own straddle so you can keep going around so long as you still have chips.
The gay waiter - Q3 - A queen with a tray
backdoored - being beaten by running cards on the turn and river, describes an opponents hand 2 pair or better that sucks out to multiple needed cards.
the computer hand - q7 - The stats for texas hold em were compiled and entered into a computer and spit out and the mean hand in texas hold em is Q7.
counterfeitted - it can happen many ways, the process of cards on the turn and or river somehow making your hand worse or useless. Any hand can be counterfeitted from high card to a low end straight flush that gets counterfeitted by the board (It happens, happened to me) This is easily one of the most irritating parts of the game, and one of the best exploited,
Show one show all. - A second definition was officially added this year.
1. If a player in a cash game or tournament shows one player his cards after a hand and mucks, those cards may be requested by a player or dealer to be exposed for all to see.
2. If a player exposes one of his cards after the completion of a hand and then mucks, he is REQUIRED to expose the remaining card even if no request is made.
Board Talking - bad ettiquette. The practice of pointing out things on the board when in a hand with 3 or more players or even worse when are the dealer or are not in the hand at all. Things like oooooh look at all those spades or damn why did I fold I woulda had quads? are examples of board talk and are horrible poker ettiquette. When you fold don't make gestures or statements alluding to the strength of your hand and in general save your comments for the completion of the hand. Never coerce your fellow players into decisions when out of a hand, in fact when out of a hand you really shouldn't say anything at all, but rather gather information on the action around you.
Well I learned my lesson once again of playing on tables too heavy for my bankroll. In less than an hour I lost two 11 to 1 rivers and one 7 to 1 river with the biggest pots to cost me half of my bankroll. Yesterday I couldn't even break even with the deck for a few hands on any kind of table. Total hands won after 500 hands was around 5%.
I always know that you shouldn't buy in with more that 10% of your total bankroll. Usually tourney buy-ins are less than 5%. Oh well...I guess yesterday I was in a gambling mood to buy-in that heavy then I was feeling instead of playing right there right then.
Usually mind state is the strongest part of my game and it fell.
So I guess next post in this thread I will go over the mindstate in poker.
great idea! I will be reading!
Mindset in poker
When you get beat on a bad river sometimes peoples thinking is then colored by mood and then a pivotal point is reached and if you don't get your mind together, your whole session could fall off like a hub cap. When you start dwelling on tough 4th and 5th street losses whether it was your mistake or if you played it good, your concentration is broken and so will your stack.
Suppose after a loss you get pocket aces and they don't hold up, then pocket kings after that and they don't hold up either! Other players decisions and whims of luck brings a short term setback. If you don't get yourself through it you will stop playing and thinking why the universe is so unfair.
Then the negative vortex comes in....you get bad outcomes -> you get in a bad mood -> mood affects your play -> you make poor decisions
A good poker player can play through those setbacks. In my situation the extra factor was when I played with a large portion of my bankroll. One big hand loss takes you back a long way and is enough to get you feeling...and it did happen more than once. I did feel I was hazy in my decision making. It wasn't so much that I wanted to get my money back at least to even but I knew I could beat those other players. But after a while I had to only think about what I play and not my opponents. One strategy is to tighten up more...but even then I was getting playable hands in position and of course you want to change your table image fast. Of course they are going to give you action no matter what.
The best decision is to avoid bad neighborhoods. Those other players likely knew I was feeling, waiting to pin another one on me. I am usually the one who preys on those people knowing how the setback phases work.
In short, always focus on how you do right then and not how you feel.
great great post a fascinating read...
There are some pros (Cyndy Violette, Daniel Negreanu, Jennifer Harman and others) who believe that not only mood, but simply "feeling good" can drastically affect your game and the outcome of a session. They believe that positive energy not only breeds good play but good cards, and eating healthy and sleeping well, as well as other mood factors (positive environment/people) contribute to the success of a session. I for one have won tournaments under the most adverse of circumstances, sickness, bad mood, drunk, and seem to thrive under such circumstances. When I'm hungry for a win, I lose, when I just take it easy and flow into the zone starting with realistic goals in mind, I win. I think all in all its all a matter of when and how you are most comfortable that contributes to your success and failure at a poker table.
good add Rock...that is another technique to get over the mishaps. P.R.O. (positive reinforcement override)
Two “techniques” I use to stay focused and trying to resist a bad mood is following:
I loose, cause it’s my fault:
I played poorly, executed bad in critical situations or just couldn’t read my opponent or the board - couldn't lay down 3 kings while faced with 4 diamonds on the board and strong bets by my opponent...
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I think about different solutions next time facing this situation and try to summarize my faults and analyze them, faults are the best things to learn of (also in poker)
I loose, cause I got outplayed:
He got me, slowplayed all the way, he just showed me a different level of bluffing, or in other words: he was better in this situation than me...
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In this case I do following: I congratulate my opponent. I need to overcome my ego to do that and with that being made, I feel better because I was able to do that - I put myself in a good mood, despite I just got beat ...afterwards I take that fresh energy I used to congratulate my opponent and keep playing with that energy...
Rock you mention attitude and feeling good.. I was at the card club last weekend, and a guy was at the table being OVERLY happy. Loud clapping once in a while trying to will himself good cards. He lost everything. I think its possible to be overly happy. I usually try to stay positive at the table and it works sometimes, but it seems that many overdo it.
I see that a lot of people on here find themselves calling even when they know that they are beat. I am not the greatest player, but everytime I lose I know that i just beat myself. Sure I am beat by the board on a few hands, but I am my own worst enemy. No matter how many times I do this and vow not to anymore, it doesn't change, I am thinking of taking a bit of a break from poker.
Yea thats the fake positive attitude, the poker gods see right thru that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jizzoex
The very hardest thing to do in poker is to fold a good hand when you know your beat, unfortunately the way to get over this problem is extremely difficult. Let me explain....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jizzoex
Humans are embedded with two natural instincts, To create, to destroy. Some are more in tune with one or the other and this can greatly affect the way one plays. I myself by nature am self destructive (sado-massochists) and generally uncaring when it comes to money. I brush off failure and move on. I'm not worried about being wrong or looking stupid. This has a twofold effect. 1. I can get away from a good hand when my instincts tell me I'm beat. 2. I can call a big bet with almost no hand at all when my instincts tell me my opponent is weak. It also has a third negative effect 3. The Blow up, which is complete entropy. Those who are into creating, (the perfectionists) must be right all the time and therefore will consider the chance they could win rather than the likelihood that they are beat or they are so afraid to lose they won't call anything. Instinct fails because it is not allowed to work. In order to become a better more complete player, you must become detatched from the game and detatched from caring. Forget about the money and remember the essence of the game, which is to decieve and dillude. Don't let monetary aspects affect your play, and most importantly, don't lie to yourself.
One of the hardest things to do in this life is not care about money. But to become a successful poker player you must not let the cash distract you. That's why we take chips and not large bundes of cash to the table.
I think me and/or Rock covered this earlier on in this thread. Basically knowing when you're beat while holding good cards and folding them separates the very good players to the decent ones. Also, you don't have to let the world know you folded a flush, pocket kings, etc. which a lot of people do like they need to prove something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jizzoex
People do cheat themselves all the time. All the time people will raise pre flop with KK and 4 people are still in the pot and the ace hits the flop and its like they don't even see the ace. Chances are one of those players has an ace.
Occasionally you might want to show a good hand you folded if you don't want extra action in the next few hours giving the hint you were betting with a good hand like always but usually you might want more action if you are playing tight for the most part. But on the other hand why do you care what other people think of you? You want their money.
The only exception is in limit holdem. Sometimes if the pot is already big and there is one bet to call the river, and you know how many outs can beat your hand, it is worth the extra bet to see what the player has.
Other than that you should really be paying attention from the beginning to know what the player's hand is so you know when you are beaten at the end. While you are playing poker, you should be playing another little game where you guess what the players have based on their position, betting and past hands.
Well we got another example triumph with the smooth call today.
I was in a $5 SNG with 5 people left and I just happen to call the blind with Q6 unsuited.
The flop comes with 2 sixes. I check the other guy raises like 200....I call. Turn comes and its the other six to give me quads...I check the other guy bets I call again. River card comes and he goes all in. At this point I thought he probably made the boat. Nevertheless I type in "gg" before I called all his chips and he flips over JT....he had nothing! not even an ace...lol.
Well I did go on to win this small tourney from the sudden chip advantage.
The problem with quads is sometimes it is hard to get much out of it....especially when its only 2-3 people in the pot.
for a synopsis of the 2007 WSOP final table go here first place took just over 8 million, 4 mil less than last year.http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/article/9305
Checkraising
Well we discussed smooth calling a few times already, my favourite move in the game is the checkraise....my weakness may be I use it a tad too often than I should....but nevertheless I have profited with it in the long run.
I might as well make a little note about it. The obvious situation is when you know you are winning and trap the other player when you know he is going to bet to force you to fold. Of course you can bluff with it....I only bluff with it about 20-25% of the time. Usually if its a small checkraise they will call you and 90% of the time you will win the showdown. The most important part of the checkraise is knowing exactly how much you want to depending on many factors if you want him to call you and what the possible outs are etc.
But if you win many times with a checkraise, it may help you on future hands when you need a free card.
Being known as a checkraiser even on the flop....you can make a "thoughtful check" and they will anticipate a checkraise and hence will check in fear of a checkraise for the turn or river card when you are looking for a flush or straight draw.
You just described me!Quote:
Originally Posted by Prolifical ENG
house game tonight most probably, i will report back with all the gory details.
Mention the funniest online poker nicknames you seen/commonly play against:
- Bambaclat (used with the image of a black man with an afro character on full tilt poker....is rumored to be disguised as a pro)
others
nodumbnumbers
payatthiswindow
ill_bust_ur_nuts
i nut off of nuts
the_donk
permatilt
oh yeah...someone was playing big with the name Dirt_Mcgirt on pokerstars with the pic of ODB from the foodstamp ID card for their pic.
I went to Vegas last week. Lost money. Played in a tournament at Planet Hollywood for $60. There were 61 entrants. They payed 6 and I took 10th so that really sucked. I saw Scotty Nguyen and Layne Flack at Bellagio and took a pic with them.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...zoex/poker.jpg
That's my girl, me, Scotty, Layne, and my girl's bro.
saw a couple of heads with the same wu symbol and the names lefthookjab and MEzY100 I'll post some funny ones later...Quote:
Originally Posted by Prolifical ENG
Scotty Nguyen Baby!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jizzoex
house game happened, and in short i got beaten in a situation which probability wise was more likely to go my way...in heads up. but i guess that the way it goes.
i got rags for a long period of time, and i decided to just play tight, knowing that there were at least 2 very loose players at the table who i could milk when i got dealt a decent pre flop hand. won two hands of significant worth, and was second in chip standings.
it got down to 3 players left, and eventually i knocked out one of the other guys.
in heads up, i was against a notoriously aggressive and loose player, when usually i come up against the tighter players.
he immediately started pushing all in pre flop, which was fine with me because i was confident he would do this regardless of his pre flop cards.
so i waited a few hands till i got something decent (from memory AK not suited) and called his 3rd consecutive all in.
he turned over A5, which was good.
flop came down, and i hit my k while he hit the 5. didnt worry me particularly, as the straight and flush wasnt helped on his side.
the turn helped neither.
by this stage i was just praying that he didnt hit the 5 on the river (earlier on he had hit a pair on the river to steal a decent amount of my chips)
and of course it came up.
i had marginally less chips than him so it was lights out for me.
ive made it to heads up in the last 3 games, and in the last 2 been beaten on the river. which makes me feel slightly irritated, but it does give me confidence that ive been able to consistantly push all in/call all in when i have a stronger hand.
for the moment though, it is proving annoying not having won either of these games.
Take solace in the fact that it was luck that beat you and not your opponents or yourself. Clearly you are a good player if you make heads up the last 3 times. The luck factor just has to fall your way.Quote:
Originally Posted by sean michael
yes, this particular player is one of the most annoying ive ever played with, but i try to stay stoney faced.
during the game he was constantly saying that i was bleeding chips, because i kept on folding hands pre flop. a good player would have seen that i was playing tightly, but instead he called me all in (he had a bigger chip stack at the time) when i held KK and he had rags.
in fact, this certain player has financed many of my wins in the past because at a time i had a reputation for bluffing, and it has somehow stuck in his head.
i realise that playing tight will only work in certain situations, and im trying to improve my "trickyness", but coming so close to winning and then being beaten has put a dampener on my endeavour to play more adventurously.
slow playing is my main tactic if i decide to not play aggressively when i hold a hand, depending on my position and opponents.
I got an idea. Keep punishing the way you have been, firing only with good hands until he learns to fold. When he finally starts folding, show him a monster bluff. He will go so crazy he won't be able to even think about the cards and you will bleed HIM dry.Quote:
Originally Posted by sean michael
ha, yep thats a good idea, hes the kind of guy who also likes to think out loud, not a good attribute at the poker table imo (for him anyway).
and last game, he kept on telling people to hurry up etc, and was getting really frustrated...naturally i took as much time as i could on every hand following.
what are your opinions about going all in pre flop with pockets (either calling or pushing). this happens a few times last game, where a player pushed all in with say pocket 10's and was beaten. i'd always been of the opinion that it was a good move with only a few players left, but was weaker with 5 or 6 at the table. in heads up ive started playing very aggresively with almost any pocket (usually above 5's). would this tactic be profitable with only 3 players left at the table.
this is an aspect i feel i need to work on, getting a decent chip stack before heads up so i can control the game and allow room for a "lucky win" from the other player.
however im not sure whether to adopt tactic similar to heads up, or play in a similar fashion as the rest of my game...
any help would be much appreciated.
If you are five-handed or less you can comfortably go all in with tens or better as the odds are less that one percent someone will have a higher pair. Using this move is predicated on situation tho. Remember, as players fall, you wanna get that much more aggressive. Actually if you make a list of playable hands, and expand that list as the table gets shorter, and follow that list as a guideline toward playing the hands, the game pretty much plays itself, that is the cards tell you what to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by sean michael