I am not to familiar with artistic philosophy. But my understanding is, when an artist want's to make an artistic statement, don't they do it for the love of there craft as opposed to making money. ?????
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I am not to familiar with artistic philosophy. But my understanding is, when an artist want's to make an artistic statement, don't they do it for the love of there craft as opposed to making money. ?????
yeah in the 18th century and b4 being a writer wouldn't even be enough to provide for urself. youd need a second job and the combined money from both jobs wasny usually that much. imagine telling famous musicians that today lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by zooruka
Music DOES get the respect it deserves.
20 years after Wu-Tang's first record, people are still talking about it, and celebrating it, and writing articles about it, and people are (still) influenced by it, and they're constantly referred to as "legendary" and the album is constantly referred to as "classic." What more could you ask for?
Music also gets the commerce it deserves - today's top musicians are insanely rich, and even the mid-tier and lower tier ones make a living doing it. And while quality doesn't always equal sales, that's the case for every form of entertainment, from painting to movies to what have you.
So with that being the case, RZA and Cilvaringz come out with this album idea, talking about music being denigrated and disrespected and not being treated as art.
There's SOMETHING to that - people do download more albums than they buy. But at the same time, what are we supposed to do, buy albums blindly? It's only in the past few years that albums have been available to stream - that labels have ALLOWED albums to stream. I mean, I've bought albums blindly in the past, and been pissed off I wasted my money. Also there was plenty bootlegging before the Internet, just lower quality - old heads know what I'm talking about. The point is, nobody wants to buy albums blind. Music is not EXACTLY THE SAME as other art forms. It's it's own thing. You don't listen to music like you look at paintings.
You put a Wu-Tang album only in a museum to hear - an album that Wu's biggest fans have known about and been hyped about for years - obviously the fans are going to be pissed, you can't be surprised about that.
But why exactly are they pissed? Let's break it down:
If you put a Wu-Tang album only in a museum to hear - yes, people will go. But not because they want to. Because they don't have a choice.
We live in a age of consumer freedom now. Blame the Internet, especially post-YouTube. We pick when we want to watch media, and how we want to consume it. We pick how we want to consume television, and we pick how we want to consume music. And the industries have been changing to adapt to that, at a glacially slow pace.
That is the problem with this Wu-Tang album only in a museum thing - it's going backwards, and taking away choice and freedom from the consumer. The consumers - aka the fans - are being forced to listen to something in a particular way. And their excitement is turning into resent.
Cilva & RZA can wax poetic about the artistry of music all they want - and maybe they have a point. But no amount of talk is going to keep fans from being irritated they can't just buy this album for $10 or $20, when every other amazing album ever made is available to buy any time, for $10 or $20. Is this album more "artistic" than everything else?
I think it WILL be available for $10 or $20 for anyone to buy, in the end. It's just going to be a long wait, and a lot of fuckery, first.
After all i think this museum part should be done if you got 6 parties already and you know that some of them wont share this album then this museum tour will be the best exposure for the CD as a piece of art... I think nobody want to make this very rare album a quick sale.
No, but listening to Wu-Tang isn't comparable to seeing paintings by Dalí.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
"Know your audience".
Wait, so you will not sell to someone who may want to sell it for fans to listen to?
That sucks. Hopefully it makes it's way through Phoenix AZ then.. damn
Level headed and spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShortyCoffeeStain
lmfao @ people actually considering going to a museum to listen to this album
keep complaining/posting
let not brake it down. this has been addressed several times already.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShortyCoffeeStain
They dont care that the fans are pissed. It was expected.
And they are trying their best to make sure that "it never reaches your ipod"
But keep posting 5+ paragraph essays bro.
wu-tang doesnt have the same hardcore fanbase to sustain a museum tour anymore
if I, the biggest wu-tang stan I know personally, wouldnt travel to a museum to hear an album then pretty much nobody would
now if they want to personally tour and perform this album on stage I'd see it and get a more worthy experience out of it
We may never get to hear this album outside of a museum but, we do have access to all the classic albums this is trying to emulate.
http://www.tmz.com/2014/07/15/bone-t...album-auction/
Bone Thugs-N-Harmony has huge plans for the next few years -- TMZ has learned they plan to reunite, record new music, make a FAT stack of cash ... and then ride off to the Crossroads never to be heard from again.
The guys from Bone Thugs tell us all five original members will kick off a world tour, then get back in the studio to record final album. They plan to auction off ONE single copy of the album ... asking price -- at least $1 MILLION!
If this blueprint sounds familiar that's because Wu-Tang Clan is doing the same thing -- currently touring after laying down their album. RZA claims they got a $5 million bid in the auction for their record.
BTNH say their 20-country world tour will start in December -- so you've got some time to save up for the album auction sometime in 2015.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/07/15/bone-t...#ixzz37ZuV9PBA
Hip-Hop is dead.
No, I enjoy going to museums to look at paintings, pictures, sculptures etc. And I would probably enjoy listening to a song as well, and maybe listen to it carefully a few times before moving on. But you made a double Wu-Tang Clan album, for the fans, you said. I'm not going to sit in a museum for 2 hours and listen to this album and then walk home. It doesn't make any sense to me. I just wouldn't enjoy doing it. I respect that you're trying to do something different, but if this ain't for the fans anymore, why should we care?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
Thanks Obama.