Corny? What's corny is posting on this forum just to bash Ringz and disrespecting strangers you would never have courage to cross in real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForensikZ
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Corny? What's corny is posting on this forum just to bash Ringz and disrespecting strangers you would never have courage to cross in real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForensikZ
Post 101 will be made clear. It's actually in the book. Honestly, not trying to sell anything, but the book tells the real story of this album in such a great way, publishers worldwide were riveting. All will be made clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Simon Hurt
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Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
haha
I understand that from a fan's perspective it doesnt make much sense. But economically it's far more complex. Sure the group tours and makes well into the six figures a show. But when you have a mountain of costs to cover like transport, management, accommodation for crew and staff, insurance, taxes and then split the remainder over 9 brothers and a DJ, you're not looking at a net figure that sustains the lifestyle of most of the group. The Clan has existed in both a very strong music industry climate and a terrible one. They came up strong in the 90s where much money was made but for some maybe not invested with a longterm vision in mind. I dont know the individual financial situations of each group member, but I do know that, like most artists in the world they gotta keep working to sustain and maintain.Quote:
Originally Posted by spiggity_ace
So when it comes to an album, the returns are even lower. There's no multi million dollar album budget anymore that would keep each individual and his family going strong while he concentrated on recording a Clan album. We had a strong budget for OUATIS, one only an A-lister these days would have. So we made sure brothers were paid properly and thats how the album got done. ABT had zero budget, or very very small. RZA paid a helluva lot out of pocket to make that album happen. But when the beats are different, the budgets minimal, the previous sales numbers weak and still a batch of unresolved business matters dating back eons, then it obviously overrides what the fans might feel like. Especially since you've served them a crazy catalog already.
My two cents.
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Originally Posted by Sky Blue Nose Kid
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Originally Posted by Sky Blue Nose Kid
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Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
do you know whether rza at least recouped on the money he upfronted for the making of ABT?
Not sure, but guessing he made a loss on it, as he does on music on the regular, for his love for music.
the music industry has really gone down the drain
in rza's case it's a good thing he was able to transition to movies
maybe we shouldn't be surprised it's been such a slow year for wu solo & fam album releases so far? if recording takes up so much time (cutting into touring money), effort & budget it makes sense
* fewer albums drop in general
* new Killah Priest albums (physical copies) go for prices like $25 or more when sold by the man himself without a big record company (talking PWOWR and POTG prices here)
* Warface/Napalm recordings (Dom Pachino) has people get in a minimum amount of pre-orders for physical copies before an album actually happens
things would be better if your core audience would still shell out money for physical albums, but this only happens in mainstream pop and in classical music, maybe jazz too.
let me clarify that statement by providing an example from a classical music perspective. up until last year (when I had to cut down on hours on the job and had additional financial limitations) I used to buy 3 to 4 new classical music releases on CD a month. prices were (and still are) mostly $24,5. that is by all means steep since at the same time prices for new hiphop, rock etc releases were about $17. the market for classical music & opera has not crashed at all over the years since their typical buying audience has both the financial means and the willingness to buy a physical release that includes a thick cd booklet (all lyrics in various languages, sumptuous intro & further album notes, interview with the artist) and top notch sound. of course we are mostly talking about a slightly older crowd who hang on to that booklet for life, which gives the album an advantage over streaming (where less money goes to the artists).
the classical market is absolutely flooded with new releases every month (trust me, it's like a tsunami every month, hiphop can hardly compare) - loads of bluray DVDs as well (concerts & operas) and they have no problem finding a buying audience
alternative album sales business models that have worked in genres like rock would probably fail with a hiphop audience cuz of the persistent illegal downloading. I was thinking of hugely successful tour/album combos like Prince's 'Musicology' tour and album (2004, put him back on the map financially and in the album charts as well) where the (appropriately priced) concert ticket also came with a copy of the album itself before it was released later on via shops/online
people sometimes look down upon greatest hits releases (the wu has had many) since they already have/ most all of the songs but personally I think buying compilations is a good way of supporting the bands you are passionate about - it gets the record company some money, it gets the band some money, it keeps the band's profile up both in stores, in the social media and hopefully in the sales charts too.
the same goes, to a lesser extent, for hiphop movie soundtracks. any of you remember when you bought a soundtrack for only one or two artists featured on there? lol I have a shitload of soundtracks just cuz of a snoop or wu song on it. since songs became available individually online the hiphop soundtrack sales model has been over and done with largely. that's too bad as well, since it definitely added to a healthy sales climate in the nineties
remember people buying two copies, one for the car and one for the house?
damn I'm getting old lol
You can love music and make a profit, just don't be stupid.
Wutang shows are more packed than Young Thug shows. People have wutang tattoos. They got to those shows because they know you'll be preforming 36 chambers wutang forever ironman, return, tical, linx, swords, pillage and clientele. You then decide to make sure you music doesn't sound like that and wonder why they're not following you to buy those things.
Charlemagne the God is the most popular man on radio. He wear the wu logo 1/3 of his on air experiences and cites wutang all the time. Says, on air, tha GFK is the greatest MC of all time. Do wutang go on his show to promote their products? the #1 radio show in the world? Will they later complain that 'the radio' won't play their music...... ?
while that might be true for wu concerts (good thing they still draw large crowds!) I can say this is definitely not true (from my own experience) for wu fam concerts. killa beez are really struggling to get a crowd together for concerts. the funny thing is killa beez tend to stick to the original sound more closely than the wu as a group or the generals solo
good point you made about Charlemagne
it's hard to fathom how many wu themed facebook groups etc there are and how few copies ABT sold even if it had a different sound
people would rather get a wu tat to show they're about that lifestyle instead of buying a new album?
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Originally Posted by Sky Blue Nose Kid
Haha wtf dude. You're a master troll. Kudos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
I was just talking to a friend today about what shitty and self sabotaging businessmen they areQuote:
Originally Posted by TSA