Ghost Fell Off & Became Boring

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You really think you are all knowing when it comes to artistic merit don't you? So lets see he gets more and more fans but the material gets worse and worse, O.k. that makes tons of logical sense. You must be right. I wholeheartedly apologize. Don't bother to respond. I'm done with this nonsense. I'm goin to listen to more fish again

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Don't get upset, dude. I'm just trying to have a serious debate here. Do you expect me to just read your opinion and then pretend I agree with everything you said? I'm not trying to suggest my opinion is fact, and there is no reason why you should suppose I am. If you don't want to debate with me then don't, but don't get upset and frustrated just because you don't like what I'm saying.

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So lets see he gets more and more fans but the material gets worse and worse, O.k. that makes tons of logical sense

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And really, come on man. You think this suggestion is unlikely? I could name plenty of artists who this applies to. You seem to be forgetting that people ARE NOT logical.

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Originally Posted by AcidPhosphate69

Sidenote, how fucking dope would it be to have Ghost and Sean Price do an album together? That would be fucking insane.

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yeah would be tight, sean p picks good beats.

i was thinking right, that sean p is the perfect example of a cross over artist who has got it right. every beat off his new album ranges from decent to great and his lyrics are consistantly good throughout. he has changed his entire style from back in the bcc and heltah skeltah days, but has done it in a way which is still good. all mc's should note what he has done imo, he still discusses mainstream subjects, but with humour and sarcasm.

and to think people use the term "back packer" as an insult.

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Originally Posted by Scáth Bán

I know where you're coming from. Most Wu-Tang Clan fans are the same, they want 8 Diagrams to be like "Enter the 36 Chambers", they want all it to be like the good ole' days. I used to think like this too. Then I realized, if I wanted to listen to the Old Sound I can just pop those albums into the stereo. There's no need miss the old days, and must realize that artists are always trying to advance and not redo what they have already done.

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I just want to hear some good, appealing music. I would much rather hear something that sounds fresh and original than something that takes it back to the old days. The catch is that fresh and original isn't enough if the music is not appealing.

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Originally Posted by sean michael

yeah would be tight, sean p picks good beats.

i was thinking right, that sean p is the perfect example of a cross over artist who has got it right. every beat off his new album ranges from decent to great and his lyrics are consistantly good throughout. he has changed his entire style from back in the bcc and heltah skeltah days, but has done it in a way which is still good. all mc's should note what he has done imo, he still discusses mainstream subjects, but with humour and sarcasm.

and to think people use the term "back packer" as an insult.

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It's interesting you bring up Sean P's ears for beats. If you check out the opinions on alot of other forums most seem to think the beats he uses from 9th Wonder and other Justus League producers are too "soft" (aka boring). Not that I agree (I thought his newest album was really good, and his first album was better), but Sean P's ear for beats is not something I generally read being complimented (unlike Ghostface, who, outside of this puzzling thread, generally gets complimented everywhere).

i dont really see what your point is, no offense intended.

why does it matter what people on other forums think, in my experience other hip hop forums (the large ones at least) are full of bullshit.

ghost is one of the better members from the wu in terms of picking beats, but his last few albums have been very inconsistant throughout in terms of beats. there were some really good beats on fishscale followed by terrible tracks... thats all i was saying.

sean p's album has consistant dope beats.

What's up with the hate on DOOM's beats? I know they're recycled, and do believe that Ghostface's "whiny" style sounds better over harder/grittier beats, but I still believe MF is one of the best producers out there.

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Originally Posted by sean michael

i dont really see what your point is, no offense intended.

why does it matter what people on other forums think, in my experience other hip hop forums (the large ones at least) are full of bullshit.

ghost is one of the better members from the wu in terms of picking beats, but his last few albums have been very inconsistant throughout in terms of beats. there were some really good beats on fishscale followed by terrible tracks... thats all i was saying.

sean p's album has consistant dope beats.

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My point is your opinion of Sean P's ears for beats is definately in the minority (although I agree with you about his consistant dope beats), and outside of this thread, generally speaking, as is your opinion about Ghostface's ears beats (that's where I disagree with you).

Also you claim other hip-hop forums are full of bullshit. There is certainly something to that, but this forum isn't without it's bullshit (take this thread for example, which would be much better suited in the bring da ruckus forum with all the other "Is Illmatic really a classic??" type of ish).

I dont like every single thing hes done but still one of my favourite MC's...


Dissing hollow bones is just crazy though. Great flow and Narratives from all MC's involved in that track over an ill ass loop.

I can understand dissing the Holocaust verse (although I personally love the ridiculousness of it)


My problems with Fishscale was that there were pretty much no Hard sounding beats in it except for Clipse of Doom. Every beat was just pretty good samples with not too much done in terms of Drums which works sometimes but not over an entire 20+ track album. Id have loved to hear some more menacing type shit.


Id rather have had the best from More Fish and Fishscale on one album, that would have been one Really Great album instead of one pretty good one and one that I just picked around 6 tracks for my ipod from.

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Originally Posted by J-DON

Dissing hollow bones is just crazy though. Great flow and Narratives from all MC's involved in that track over an ill ass loop.

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I didn't diss the track. Deck and Rae killed it. I just can't stand Ghost's verse.

ghostface needs some bronze nazareth beats

haha 11th chamber get back in your cage ...

haha noel411 ... typical parra supporter ... def somtin in the water out west for sure ... ahaha just playin ...

noel got a point ... to a degree ... ironman isnt classic imo ... SC is ... BW is muff ... pretty toney is good but not classic either ... more fish is 5/10 at best ... fishscale is ghost equivalent to the W ... pretty good but instead of talkn how dope it is u left to ponder how dope it could of been ... but ghost has been keeping wu on the map ... if it wasnt for ghost wu wouldnt be in hardly anyone's fuckin mouths ... he's been the hardest working motherfucker in the clan ... almost as if hes the only who gives a shit ... maybe excluding GZA ...

Golden Arms Redemption > Fishscale > More Fish :tease:

yeh motherfuckers i said it ... what ...

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Originally Posted by Tonearm_Terrorwrist

Golden Arms Redemption > Fishscale > More Fish :tease:

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Ya goddamn right :yes:

I see alot of discussion going on here. One of the main things though is the inability of alot of people here to have a civilized constructed discussion. I mean somebody can not like the entire Ghostface catalogue just because it isn't his tate of music. That man is still right in his opinion. There is no absolute truth, in my opinion. If there is, I think you are not right here in this open forum.

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Awell, this in itself is a discussion.
Just lay off the irrelevant arguments like questioning his credibility on place of residence. That has nothing to do with the discussion going on and his placement of argument within the discussion.

Doom beats.
I think they're boring. The loops are too simple. And the announcing they are on a Ghost album, only to discover they are re-used beats is even worse. Heard it all Before Ghost. Yes, I am anxious for new stuff. Not boring re-used stuff.

9 Milli Brothers
It had me amped when announced. Then I listened. I listened again. Was this a Clan track? OR were these vocals slapped together via email. Put them in Pro Tools, mix them, we got a track. The rapped for the moment.

This is only speculation, but this track sounded like a example of one of the bigger problems circluating. Artists & Producers not working together in the same space on the same track. I just think you can hear the difference. And somebody like Ghost is plagued by it, so was Meth. Interaction is missed.

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Originally Posted by beautifulrock

You know how I know ghost hasn't fallen off? People keep making threads like this. You don't see many U-god hate threads, because he isn't worth talking about. Any time an artist wishes to diversify his catalogue and expand his audience, especially a Wu-Tang artist, he has fallen off. Whatever, keep up the good work ghost.

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lmao!!!! Are u serious??? U must hear an see somethin different than what i do? It should be extremely obvious to most if not all that Ghost has taken a turn for the worst an has fallen off. Although a great album, but Ghost has been declining since Supreme Clientele. Ghost has yet to make an album better let alone equal to IRONMAN. If u take a look back Ghost fell off more an more each album. B/c u could even see on SC where Ghost was headed. Although not bad the Cher chez laghost song an video got his commercial buzz going and since then he's been tryin to break down the door to the commercial world. Itz funny tho! With all of his commercial efforts they still front on him. He still can't break thru.


I dunno if yal notice or not but Ghost sells less records now than he did in the past. Every album that drops now he's one video and done! Correct me if i'm wrong but when IRONMAN dropped Ghost had like 3 video singles off of that classic album! He's puttin out more material than ever nowadayz, but my question is? Who is it reaching? What kind of impact is it making? Nobody cares about what Ghostface drops anymore. Regular people come up to me they see that i'm a wu-head, they wanna talk to me about Ironman and how sick that album is! They don't wanna talk about BPW or Pretty Tony. They don't even know those albums exist.

And i see all of this talk about how Ghost is the most consistent? Consisitent what? Just b/c he drops severly average/mediocre album after album? He's the most consistent at declining over the years. U probably could say u-god? But U-god doesn't have alot of albums like ghost to judge so yea it is ghost. IMO Ghost is just one big band wagon that people love to ride on for whatever reason i dunno y? When ghost was at his best.....'95 (cuban linx)....'96 (ironman)....'97 (Wu-tang Forever) he never got the kind of love that he's gettin now! Itz weird! In that 3yr...3 album spand Ghost might've been the illest emcee within the clan or in hiphop in general. Ghost was on fire in that era!


And before i go i wanna address the one kid that said the Ironman lp was just "ok"......



I dunno man i looked at ur age i see that ur only 21. So u were only 10yrs old when IRNMN dropped. U might've been too young for that album or somethin? Or maybe u weren't even into wu back then? But u just had to be in that era! I know every1 has their own opinion but daaamn just "ok"??? Are u serious?? IRNMN reigns supreme in Ghost's catelog! Thatz a certifiedd Wu-classic! It had all of the right elements and ingredients! U can say IRNMAN is a spin off of Cuban Linx.....if u think about it? Itz like it was already Cuban Linx 2 before rae even came out with it. Like a continuation from where ob4cl left off.