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10-13-2009, 12:52 AM
Mumm Ra

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Originally Posted by prof zooruka

umm Jesus does nothing on earth to help man recieve eternal life... what is in the new testement.????..without the teachings of JESUS and the sacrifice he made on the cross ...man could not recieve eternal life...dont you think thats somthing he did here on earth ????

no I do not
and you still don't have any example of what believing in jesus can do for you while on earth

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so those people who sin and claim to believe in Jesus aren`t really his followers and are no better that the heathen or maybe even worse because they know the truth and still disobeyed.

do you think this describes you - since you support the spreading of islam through hip hop?

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... but my personal opinion is you cant truly be righteous without believing in JESUS and his teachings...

you would think that a person who sins their whole life, then repents and believes in jesus the last day of their life would have lived a more righteous life than one who never so much as had a sinful thought their entire life but didn't believe in jesus?
im glad your personal opinions are worth a bag of shit in any case

and also thank you for dodging a lot of my other questions

peace
10-13-2009, 06:38 PM
zooruka

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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

no I do not
and you still don't have any example of what believing in jesus can do for you while on earth

he can do anything you want for you by answer your prayers

john14:13 - "Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son"

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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

do you think this describes you - since you support the spreading of islam through hip hop?

hahahah rappers dont even know what religion they are one minute there christians next they are 5%ers then they are black jews hahahahaha....and seriously who in there right mind would follow a religion because a rap group spits about it hahahahahahaha lmao.

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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

you would think that a person who sins their whole life, then repents and believes in jesus the last day of their life would have lived a more righteous life than one who never so much as had a sinful thought their entire life but didn't believe in jesus?

peace

the person who sinned and repented on there death bed would have been like he never sinned at all the church calls it justification....and sorry I have come to believe it would be the repenter on his death bed not the decent unbeliever...that would go to heaven , beacuse you cant go to heaven without Jesus.

john 10:7-"Therefore Jesus said again, "I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep"

what is JESUS saying here ????... he is saying he is the gate to enter heaven meaning no one can go to heaven without going through (following) jesus.

peace be with you !
10-13-2009, 06:53 PM
LORD NOSE

He is zeus

a few tune in to hear the real one

maintaining that station is work
10-13-2009, 06:58 PM
Mumm Ra

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Originally Posted by prof zooruka

he can do anything you want for you by answer your prayers

john14:13 - "Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son"

i can already will myself to do whatever i want for me

so you still do not have a solid example to give me

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hahahah rappers dont even know what religion they are one minute there christians next they are 5%ers then they are black jews hahahahaha....and seriously who in there right mind would follow a religion because a rap group spits about it hahahahahahaha lmao.

that's not the point (even though you don't know what ur talking about)
the fact is people DO learn about islam from these rappers and some DO convert. do you have any idea how many suburban white and black kids would have no idea what islam is if it wasn't for wu-tang? more than you might think.
regardless to how well some rappers may or may not follow it - they are getting THE NAME OF ISLAM out to the world BECAUSE OF YOU ALLOWING THEM TO.

so if you could answer this question again please based on my truth it would be appreciated.

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the person who sinned and repented on there death bed would have been like he never sinned at all the church calls it justification....and sorry I have come to believe it would be the repenter on his death bed not the decent unbeliever...that would go to heaven , beacuse you cant go to heaven without Jesus.

i didn't ask if they would go to heaven - i asked if they would have lived a more righteous life
in any case i was just curious to your opinion on the subject even though i think its utterly ridiculous that a mass murderer of people could have any reason to be more righteous than an eternally-loving person.

so i guess jesus is more narcissistic than he is righteous

peace
10-13-2009, 07:49 PM
Mumm Ra

hey look, prof zooruka painted a picture!
10-13-2009, 08:36 PM
zooruka

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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

i can already will myself to do whatever i want for me

so your telling me that if you have cancer you could will it away by yourself or all those people in the bible that Jesus healed didnt need him because they can just will it away on there own ???? .... sorry but alot of people have recieved miracle cures from JESUS ( after he left earth) things that couldnt be cured by modern medicine yet they where healed.

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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

that's not the point (even though you don't know what ur talking about)
the fact is people DO learn about islam from these rappers and some DO convert. do you have any idea how many suburban white and black kids would have no idea what islam is if it wasn't for wu-tang? more than you might think.
regardless to how well some rappers may or may not follow it - they are getting THE NAME OF ISLAM out to the world BECAUSE OF YOU ALLOWING THEM TO.

so if you could answer this question again please based on my truth it would be appreciated.

rappers spit just as much about christianity and judaism as they do about islam ... so really who`s to say that rappers dont spread christianity or judaism just as much in rap.

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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

i didn't ask if they would go to heaven - i asked if they would have lived a more righteous life
in any case i was just curious to your opinion on the subject even though i think its utterly ridiculous that a mass murderer of people could have any reason to be more righteous than an eternally-loving person.

so i guess jesus is more narcissistic than he is righteous

peace

the bible says Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

so I doubt that somebody you and or I deem as good would be good in the eyes of GOD because according to GOD all have sinned and are in need of JESUS....with that said even if non believer did live better than a believer ...the believer who repented would be better off because once he repents (even on his death bed) his sins are washed away and forgotten and the unbeliever even though he lived better would still have some sort of sin against his name which would be counted against him...and anyway while GOD doesnt want you to sin he is all about forgiving sins while it matters how you live ...sins can be forgiven if you accept christ so I think GOD would look for favourably on a sinner who accepts christ and repents than on an unbeliever who lives better but does not accept christ.

peace be with you !
10-13-2009, 08:56 PM
Mumm Ra

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Originally Posted by prof zooruka

so your telling me that if you have cancer you could will it away by yourself or all those people in the bible that Jesus healed didnt need him because they can just will it away on there own ????

wow you finally understood something I said

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rappers spit just as much about christianity and judaism as they do about islam ... so really who`s to say that rappers dont spread christianity or judaism just as much in rap.

EXACTLY - so you admit that you are helping to spread islam, among other things
but helping to spread it just the same.
(and in wu's case specifically, they actually speak AGAINST christianity quite often)
and by your own logic, islam = devil. so you are spreading the devil's work around the world

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so those people who sin and claim to believe in Jesus aren`t really his followers and are no better that the heathen or maybe even worse because they know the truth and still disobeyed.

you fit your own description so perfectly

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an unbeliever who lives better

just like i thought - jesus and god cares more about himself than righteousness. you just laid it out perfectly for me.

thank you for your responses prof! i think my understanding of you has become much greater after this. hahah

peace
10-13-2009, 09:07 PM
Face of the Golden Falcon

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so your telling me that if you have cancer you could will it away by yourself or all those people in the bible that Jesus healed didnt need him because they can just will it away on there own ???? ....

Ever noticed how after Jesus healed people many times he said "your faith has healed you"?

Think about it...

SHEM HETEP
10-13-2009, 09:14 PM
Mumm Ra

^ good one
10-13-2009, 09:43 PM
zooruka

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Originally Posted by Face of the Golden Falcon

Ever noticed how after Jesus healed people many times he said "your faith has healed you"?

Think about it...

SHEM HETEP

yes thats true in some cases but not all cases ... the majority of healings where done by JESUS own will not just because of a persons faith.

(Matthew 4:23) - "Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the good news of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people."
10-13-2009, 09:46 PM
zooruka

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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

wow you finally understood something I said

EXACTLY - so you admit that you are helping to spread islam, among other things
but helping to spread it just the same.
(and in wu's case specifically, they actually speak AGAINST christianity quite often)
and by your own logic, islam = devil. so you are spreading the devil's work around the world
you fit your own description so perfectly

rappers spit about a range of topic`s just because they spit about iislam from time to time doesnt mean that there agenda is to spread islam (Unless your talking about cilvaringz) and im helping the devil by listening to them now if you are saying they solely talk about islam then I would agree but they don`t !!!!...rappers stand for nothing they spit wahtever comes to there mind when they write there verses I would hardly call that spreading islam its just another topic of many topics they spit about in there rhymes...so your argument is flawed.
10-13-2009, 09:50 PM
Mumm Ra

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Originally Posted by prof zooruka

rappers spit about a range of topic`s I dont think there agenda is to spread islam...rappers stand for nothing they spit wahtever comes to there mind when they write there verses...so your argument is flawed.

you still don't get it prof
their agenda is irrelevant
(EVEN THOUGH RZA HAS STATED HIS AGENDA IS TO WAKE THE 85% WITH HIS MUSIC)
the fact is that many many people have learned about islam, and converted to islam, solely because of these rappers.
and you support this fully

i know you are experiencing a certain feeling at the moment upon realizing this - but please don't use your snake-talk to get around the fact of your actions
your argument is flawed
10-13-2009, 09:52 PM
zooruka

rappers spit about a range of topic`s just because they spit about iislam from time to time doesnt mean that there agenda is to spread islam (Unless your talking about cilvaringz) and im helping the devil by listening to them now if you are saying they solely talk about islam then I would agree but they don`t !!!!...rappers stand for nothing they spit wahtever comes to there mind when they write there verses I would hardly call that spreading islam its just another topic of many topics they spit about in there rhymes...so your argument is flawed.
10-13-2009, 09:53 PM
Mumm Ra

shit you even rock a symbol in your avatar that stands for the W.isdom of the U.niverse and the T.ruth of A.llah for the N.ation of the G.ods

you used to represent that symbol in your signature but changed it too
10-13-2009, 09:58 PM
zooruka

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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

shit you even rock a symbol in your avatar that stands for the W.isdom of the U.niverse and the T.ruth of A.llah for the N.ation of the G.ods

you used to represent that symbol in your signature but changed it too

hahahaha wu tang is some chinese name of a clan in kung fu movies I cant help if they make up other meanings for it hahahah

also I use to rock a sunz of man sig with the old testement writtings in the picture

http://cover7.cduniverse.com/MuzeAud...780/786708.jpg

peace be with you !

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