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i dont doubt it since monkeys looks a lot like humans. if you've ever seen a real ugly muthafucka they look like a monkey. yet and still we're not monkey's, we're humans. we dont know if "god" has a DNA code at all. again you've shown similarity but no relation.
i would say "god" is 100% human.
looks dont tell the story! forget looks.. im talking about genetic identity.. if god created us in his image (that would include our genetic code as well).. and it just so happens that we are 98% gorilla, then by logic that would mean that god is atleast 98% gorilla or greater.. he cant be 100% human because to be 100% human means to be 98% gorilla.. thats all i was pointing out.
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now here's where the "divine power" comes in. when adam and eve were reproducing and the children they had were marrying each other(eww :r) "god" made it so that this could happen without jeopordizing the life and health of the people incest breeding. when you get to leviticus or duetoronomy(dont remember which) and the population was numerous enough, "god" made rules for his people who followed him not to be sleeping around with immediate family members and first cousins. anyone who did that would end up suffereing what you have idnetified as "recessive lethal inheretance traits" as punishment for disobeying "god".
well i guess anything will always be possible if one believes in a god with magical divine powers that can trump the rules of the world.. thats why science and the concept of an all powerful creator will never truly reconcile.. because the believer of the all powerful always has a scape goat.. the divine power of their deity.. while the rationalist is forced to abide by natural laws.
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but you still have the issue of how the different races came about from just two 2 people.
yea.. and its a biological impossibility to develop different races of people from a 2 person population.. u need multiple populations evolving at the same time in order to produce the genetic variance needed for "race"
but here comes the scape goat... god has divine powers so, that means some how.. some way.. he did it..
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Originally Posted by My First Timbs
ahahahahahaha waddup boy !
What's up Timbs? Just enjoying the beautiful weather..lol
Re: Human Evolution Theories
What about Stephen Oppenheimer's claim in his new book Out of Eden.
It's shown through your precious DNA that all people outside of Africa left Africa in one mass exodus and ALL share a common male and female ancestor.
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Our appendix has shrunk. That doesn't mean we have evolved into a new species lol. I can change the size of an organ in the next few years through certain activities if I choose. This doesn't prove I came from a monkey.
This does however prove my long standing point that humans didn't always eat meat.
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Also, I thought I posted this but I can't find it.
Aren't our formerly thought of "ancesstorS" the homo erectus etc all the way back now thought by science to actually be our cousins not our ancestors? That we didn't evolve from them but were merely very similar.
And also that these "ancestors" in some cases were no different to certain existing modern races, and that there is less difference between them and modern humans than an equatorial African and a caucasian today?
Also, Timbs do you believe some people now are more evolved than others?
Re: Human Evolution Theories
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Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies
What about Stephen Oppenheimer's claim in his new book Out of Eden.
It's shown through your precious DNA that all people outside of Africa left Africa in one mass exodus and ALL share a common male and female ancestor.
once again.. folks.. this is what im talking about... ppl misunderstand scientific theories and misunderstand evolution
of course all of humanity can be traced back to a male and female ancestor... HOWEVER.. this is no way means that there were originally only 2 people on the planet!!
there is a big difference!..... picture a population of 1000 people in africa... they are thriving....multiplying etc etc... then... they split off into different smaller communites (but all the while still retaining the diverse dna of a larger group) .. this is what is known as genetic diversity... then the smaller groups go their separate ways until eventually u have a man and woman (im simplifying it. but keep in mind its more complex than this)... this man and woman end up having children who go on to populate other areas of the globe.....
this is what he is talking about! he isnt talking about a population starting from 2 ppl .. he is talking about a larger population giving rise thru geographic and behavioral isolation to a woman and man whom we all have in common!
this is a tremendous difference !
Re: Human Evolution Theories
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Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies
Our appendix has shrunk. That doesn't mean we have evolved into a new species lol. I can change the size of an organ in the next few years through certain activities if I choose. This doesn't prove I came from a monkey.
This does however prove my long standing point that humans didn't always eat meat.
1) i never said we are a new species because our appendix shrunk.. dont go start throwing out red herrings
2) u are incorrect that humans didnt always eat meat! modern humans have always ate meat.. its our primate ancestors who were herbivores!.. so no!... recognize that we always ate meat
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Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies
them and modern humans than an equatorial African and a caucasian today?
Also, Timbs do you believe some people now are more evolved than others?
no.. but more importantly it depends on what u mean when u say "more evolved"
u have to stop looking at evolution as a race for progress.. evolution does no simply a step "forward" toward complexity.. it simply implies change and difference..
people cant evolve.. only whole populations can "evolve"
so no, there are not some people who are "more evolved" than others simply because the statement doesnt make evolutionary sense ("more evolved")
is the human "more evolved" than the baboon?
we are not! we are simply evolutionarily different than the baboon.
u cant quantify it and plave humanoid subjective perception upon the word "more"
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Originally Posted by My First Timbs
well i guess anything will always be possible if one believes in a god with magical divine powers that can trump the rules of the world.. thats why science and the concept of an all powerful creator will never truly reconcile.. because the believer of the all powerful always has a scape goat.. the divine power of their deity.. while the rationalist is forced to abide by natural laws.
not entirely true...............
I had the oppurtunity to travel to the acrtic circle with a group of 7 Nasa scientists-I was visiting with a Nasa scientist who tried to convince me that- Shamans are controlled by the devil- Angels and Demons veiw us on a dimensional plane with tools smimlar to what use- here's his example
you can view a recording on television and watch over something- play- rewind- fast forward- his therory is that "Angels" watch over us from another dimension with a tool like a telvision- he explained this by saying "we can see what's happening on the t.v. but the people in the t.v can't see us--------------
ON the angels t.v. they can directley effect what goes on in the movie there watching- Demons can also do this- he claims that when they see someone with their legs crossed, meditating, they become fair game- because theire mind acts as an antannae- calling out to the demons who in turn manipulate their minds
He go's by Nasa Mike- he's convinced that through science he can come closer to God Almighty- here's a link to his website
http://www.nasamike.com/
Re: Human Evolution Theories
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Originally Posted by My First Timbs
our ancestors evolved from creatures that we would today classify as a monkey. i quadrepedal primate with increased hand, foot and brain size that lives in close knit social groups.
from the quadrepeds sprang forth the bipedal primates (our closest ancestor) walking upright gave a tremendous benefit to lifestyle.
so in a nutshell, yes we come from monkeys, but none of the monkeys u see alive today.. our closest relatives are not monkeys to this day.. our closest ancestors alive today would be any of the apes and great apes... but remember, we didnt come from the great apes! we came from an extinct bipedal primate that lead to the evolution of us and teh great apes.. think of the great apes alive today as distant cousins.. we didnt come from them and they didnt come from us, but we share the same exact lineage!
the genetics involved proves this.
people always say "how could we come from monkeys if monkeys are still around".. thats nonsense.. evolution deals with splits, splinters and off shoots of the main family lineage or tree!
all living creatures on this planet are related (distant cousins of eachother).. we all come from the same "stuff" and share one ancestor in common.. (that ancestor being whatever was the 1st living cell on ths planet)..
this is why the genetic code of yeast issimilar to thegenetic code of a human.. why? because we are related... we are distant cousins of yeast !
the human genetic code is 40% identical to the genetic code of an apple.. why? because apples and humans share a common ancestor! that ancestor being whatever the first organism was that lead to the off shoot from plant to animal! (most likely a form of algae)!
the theory of humans evolving from bi- pedal primates is dis-proved with the evidence you presented here
gentics-
act as ingridients for everything
if my gentic make-up is 40% identical to an apple than perhaps I evolved from an apple-
then if my genetic code us smilar to yeast then perhaps I evolved from yeast too-
then how did I evolve from a monkey also?
Humans the same gentic make up of almost everything- I have eyes like an like a fish, I have hair like a bear, I have teeth like a cow- I have all the ingriedents that make up almost everything else, then how can I be pin pointed to evolving from one thing?
Yes we are all related- that much is true but it doesn't nesscarily mean everything stemmed from a one cell organism-
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then how did I evolve from a monkey also?
it is a proven fact........lol
as the monkey evolevd to the other stages more artifacts were found such as tools weapons
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writtings on cave walls
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as climents change on earth we will evolve....
example............................
if ice age rolls arounded for the 2nd comming.........and humans are still alive after some odd years ..they will evolve in to take the cold weather...in such as growing more hair
witch brings me to the next thing
this monkey was full of hair
as it ,,,,, was colder back in those days couse no globle wormming
plus tha last ice age
as things begain to heat up the evolutiong of the monkey became the next step as n less hair
also with them creating fire got them thinking witch gave em bigger brains ...then created tools............
i mean i dont have to go over it all as u suppose to know it all ready..as it was tought in school
belive it or not we are still evolving.............u see peeps living till 110
when 110 years has past from now i belive they will raise the avg age og living to 100 years of age
thats if we make it that long.......as we are in for a ice age some time in next years to come
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Originally Posted by 100pr00f
then how did I evolve from a monkey also?
it is a proven fact........lol
as the monkey evolevd to the other stages more artifacts were found such as tools weapons
....
writtings on cave walls
....
as climents change on earth we will evolve....
example............................
if ice age rolls arounded for the 2nd comming.........and humans are still alive after some odd years ..they will evolve in to take the cold weather...in such as growing more hair
witch brings me to the next thing
this monkey was full of hair
as it ,,,,, was colder back in those days couse no globle wormming
plus tha last ice age
as things begain to heat up the evolutiong of the monkey became the next step as n less hair
also with them creating fire got them thinking witch gave em bigger brains ...then created tools............
i mean i dont have to go over it all as u suppose to know it all ready..as it was tought in school
belive it or not we are still evolving.............u see peeps living till 110
when 110 years has past from now i belive they will raise the avg age og living to 100 years of age
thats if we make it that long.......as we are in for a ice age some time in next years to come
the reason people live longer now is due to the fact of the advance's in modern medicine and better living conditions
if you go somwhere where living conditions, are worse, example lack of clean water- the live expectacy rate is much lower-
there isn't any evidence or "artifacts" fossils, bones, that link man with monkeys
no evidence what so ever- prove it i'd really like to see it
honestley do you beleive everything they cram down your throat in school? if you do I really pity you
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Originally Posted by Charging Soldier
the theory of humans evolving from bi- pedal primates is dis-proved with the evidence you presented here
gentics-
act as ingridients for everything
if my gentic make-up is 40% identical to an apple than perhaps I evolved from an apple-
then if my genetic code us smilar to yeast then perhaps I evolved from yeast too-
then how did I evolve from a monkey also?
Humans the same gentic make up of almost everything- I have eyes like an like a fish, I have hair like a bear, I have teeth like a cow- I have all the ingriedents that make up almost everything else, then how can I be pin pointed to evolving from one thing?
Yes we are all related- that much is true but it doesn't nesscarily mean everything stemmed from a one cell organism-
again.. u are misunderstanding what i am saying..
the genetic similarity between us and apples and yeast does not mean that we come from yeast or apples.. all it simply means is that we are related by way of a common ancestor many million years ago.. our most recent common ancestor however is a bipedal primate.
i dont see why this is hard to fathom.
