the album is a bit of a grower. the more I listen to it the more songs I appreciate
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the album is a bit of a grower. the more I listen to it the more songs I appreciate
Downloaded this yesterday in FLAC format, it's good that rugged wu-style!
still no.
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Originally Posted by Clozaril
this is the way i felt about a lot of wu albums(group or solo). they take a few listens to fully grasp and appreciate. then there are some that are instantly great, and others that i just dont likeQuote:
Originally Posted by Lee Towers
Hating on this album makes you look dumb. Good day!
I've been bumpin this shit non-stop. Solid album. Not comparable to a mid to late 90's Wu release but i gave up on hoping for that a long time ago. Glad the clan are still doing work and it's dope imo. Wu will forever suffer from the unreal expectations of their fans. Unreal expectations that they are responsible for. 93-99 Wu shit was just amazing. Therefore, anytime you think of the Wu you think of that greatness. Some of us can appreciate good music from the clan and some of us just can't stomach anything less than greatness from them.
I plead guilty to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by RUSHING PLATYPUS
i'm betting that forensicz leads a lonely existence and probably has neckbeard
I know it wasn't an official 'Wu-Tang Clan' album but the clan members could have easly got together and padded out the songs with some extra verses. I LOVE Lesson Learn'd but it was crying out for a third verse.
The Clan are so stingy with their verses. GZA only dropped about 8 bars, what's that all about. A decent enough album overall but think it was a bit of a missed opportunity.
Gza is lazy
I think GZA is pretty much bored with rapping. Sure he'll tour but that's about it. I always felt that his verses on ABT were meant for Dark Matter. Just look at his similes in those verses. Will we now still see Dark Matter? I could be wrong, I thought we'd never see Royalty is Loyalty either.
The only good sign I've seen over the last few years is that he released that (crazy good) stand alone single 'The Mexican'.
Famous Fighters shouldnt have been a skit..... That beat is fucking crazy.
most likely. he doesn't even engage the crowd at all at his shows. like his eyes just wander while he rapsQuote:
Originally Posted by Lee Towers
for sureQuote:
Famous Fighters shouldnt have been a skit..... That beat is fucking crazy.
That should have been a clan track.Quote:
Originally Posted by hotnikks
Before he goes we need to hear Liquid Swords 2 with Rza.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Towers
Also they could have added U-God and someone else towards the end of "If What You Say Is True." You have atleast 1:03 seconds of instrumental.
this review was actually fairly on point, for pitchfork (aside from the nonsensical shit about rza not being socially in tune or progressive - he's a 50 year old 90s rapper smh, what do these clowns expect?)Quote:
Originally Posted by soul controller
"Lazy Cash In" would be a great title for their next group album or a rza solo project.
Smh people hating on this album should just pack it in, sell all your wu shit, end your wu corp membership. Ya'll keep expecting to hear something from the old days when it's not happening. These guys are damn near 50 now. FIFTY! Stop with the bullshit ass excuses on why you're hating. If you don't like the album fine, but alot of ya'll on some bullshit. Your expectations are too high and that's why every album that comes out you say the same shit. This ain't 93-98' anymore, shit I'll even say 02' wu was still spitting fire. That's done. They're at different stages of their lives. Ya'll the same people who want a 4th Disciple produced Wu album thinking you're gonna hear shit that sounds like Silent Weapons.. ITS NOT HAPPENING.
That fucked me up. I thought it was a track at first until it ended. Such a waste of great beatQuote:
Originally Posted by hotnikks
word (lol) add it to the looong list of dope beats that were teasers by being used as a skit- if its any consolation, some of those dope teaser skit beats do eventually become full tracks like intro to "Clan in the Front" becoming "Whar" or intro of "Fat Lady Sings" becoming "Last Train to Scotland" etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by hiphopjunky
Didnt find the Pitchfork review to be fair and found this one more accurate;
https://hiphopdx.com/reviews/id.2998...saga-continues
PEACE
I like this album. It has 5-6 real dope songs, while the rest is average or just decent.. I like this way better than ABT
Does anyone here know if Raekwon really fell out with Justin Bieber and threatened to travel back in time to before Bieber was famous and register www.JustinBieber.com and make it a gay porn site?
yes i can confirm
Can confirm. Source : own various gay porn sites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clozaril
Wu is #1 on Billboard Independent Albums
http://www.billboard.com/charts/independent-albums
The influential NYC rap group currently has the most popular indie LP in America.(AllHipHop News) The 7th studio album from the Wu-Tang Clan is currently the most popular indie album in America. Wu's The Saga Continues opened at #1 on Billboard's Independent Chart.
"Congratulations to Alan Grunblatt, the entire urban team, and Wu-Tang of course on this amazing achievement," says Chris Taylor, Global President of Entertainment One Music. "Our U.S. and global teams have knocked this out of the park.”
The Saga Continues also debuted at #2 on the Rap Chart, #2 on the R&B/Hip Hop Chart, #5 on the Current Digital Albums Chart and #6 on the Top Current Albums Chart.
Besides Wu-Tang members, the LP features Redman, Chris Rivers, Sean Price, and others. Mathematics led the production for the project.
Great for the name of WU-TANG
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Originally Posted by Hollow Dartz
lol, why won't it happen though? Hip hop is the only creative space where you're expected to get worst with experience. What's the excuse for it not happening? That at 40-50 someone can't make good beats? That doesn't make sense.
I personally don't count anything after the W as wutang cause they've clearly given up so I get what you're saying about not investing too much in thinking they're going to not suck, but they still have 0 excuse for sucking. Especially when you see them live and they perform their old shit like it's 93, but then attempt new shit when they're feeling lucky and turn into wet milk.
I think it's the drugs. Some are burnt out, and some flat out don't want to rap anymore, but sucking isn't some type of natural consequence of age.
dude doesn't fucking know anything. He had an edge when he knew all the conspiracy theories before the rest of the masses in the pre-high speed internet days, but not anymore. It's really annoying having him come on albums and start saying a bunch of contradictory double ended vague non-sense that makes no sense and adds no value to the day of any non-retard. He keeps occupying albums space with that bs. Its forgivable if the shit's hard, but he has also decided he's now too smart to make enjoyable music and that you can't enjoy it cause you're too dumbQuote:
Originally Posted by noel411
Lol you see them perform 93 shit and it's hype that's because it's from 93'! As far as The generals It's pretty obvious why it won't happen. These guys aren't in the same mind state they were back then. Plain and simple. 93-97 these guys were still in the hood trying to make something happen reading the 5% lessons. That same fire isn't there, they will never rhyme like that again. They had something to prove at the time. Not saying the rhyming now is bad because it's pretty solid but like I've stated some dudes on here are expecting rhymes from the old days and that's done with. If 4th Disciple/True Master/Insert Wu Element here was still dropping fire beats don't you think they would be using them? The only Wu element being used is Bronze. That goes back to the last point I made about 4th Disciple. These guys not making the same quality beats anymore. This forum would be devastated after listening to a Wu Elements produced LP. You guys would be expecting to hear some monumental shit and that's not the case. Jay-Z just dropped a very solid album with 4:44 so I'm not saying you get worse with age. But Jay-Z has access to better producers, people that's gonna make his shit hot. Wu doesn't. Rza not on that type of time anymore. I believe a Wu album without Rza may be the best route at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
This is the last beat I heard from 4th Disciple..Impressed?
Hollow, did you see that recent RZA freestyle on FunkFlex? There was a bit of RZArectah in there. Also, Bronze is not your typical Wu-Elements beats. Nothing out there sounds like the RZA, 4th or True from the 90s. Like my beats, it's an attempt at, or version of, or inspired by elements of... but Bronze beats sound like Bronze beats, and they weren't around on the 90s. One thing I noticed during OUATIS recordings is that the right type of beats, the right energy of beats rather does bring it out of them. Not AS good.. but close.. for example, I tried to get Rae to sound like he did on Rawhide and asked him to start his verse with a line from that song, just to get him into that raspy voice. But it didn't. Same as with U-God. I asked him to get back on his 90s type of writing, which he referred to as "compact rap" and we had moments, but not all over. With enough time, money and pushing I think it can still come out, but you're not gonna get RZA to write camouflaged chammilion shit and make a 4th chamber type of beat right there and then. It takes a different approach.
Also, it's a certain vibe. The vibe of your city, of the game, your surroundings. When you have a bunch of brothers off the street in a dark basement, insense burning, kung fu flick playing in the back, 40s, turkey burgers, some playing chess, etc... all that adds to whats being created. I was in LA for about 10 days during the Detox recordings with Focus. Three studios rented out, each producer working in one studio, making beats, Dre picking what he likes, then emcees would come in, record the track and send it off to Dre. It was extremely sterile. Not like the Death Row days with the Dogg Pound all over the place, blunts, 40s, girls, lowriders, you got the Hughes brothers making flicks, Vatos Locos all over the place, riots going on, etc... the whole atmosphere is shaping that sound. Like all the skits and intros and shit throughout the songs, it's all natural organic. Nowadays it's mp3 being sent over and acapellas being sent back. Listen to the Clan first albums, you can hear all kinds of background talking through the songs, the interludes, etc... it comes from that.. and nowadays thats completely gone. Listen to Saga, it's just verses.. no interaction on the songs. But on OUATIS I made of point of creating that atmosphere again. For example, there's a skit on there where RZA meets Mr.Greco for the first time. In the back ground you can hear Sin & Deck talking, Rae & Ghost in one corner, 12 O Clock and U-God cussing somebody out, Beretta 9 yelling from across the street. It creates a cohesive feel. Same for the song Stone Finger, Redman, Raekwon and Deck are talking sporadically over the track and it creates a feel that this song was created with everybody in one room. And it really lifts the experience of the song and brings back those memories we're all talking about from the 90s. Problem is I think, most of the guys will think that's played out, or there's not a big enough market for that anymore, and nobody wants to take a risk. The producers are the same... not ALL their beats are smashing, as for any producer, but they definitely have enough in the bag to make something incredible. It just wont happen.
So basically what u r saying is your album is the last chance for 90s Wu n we can't hear it. Thank and peace for the kick in the nuts. Ha
Sterile is the perfect word to describe it.
It lacks that layer of filth. The streets.. Baggy jeans and timberland boots.. That dirty cold City night life shit.. It's just not the 90s no more.. That really is the sum of the matter. lol I feel sorry for the young people that never got to live through that shit. Because even listening back to the old music doesn't bring back that feeling.
The music is lacking the Era.. Godbless the 1990s..
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A perfect example of this is GxFR.. Buffalo might as well still be living in the 90s.. you can actually feel that shit in all of Conway, Gunn, Bennys music.. Daringer got that dirty new york street shit going on.
Saga Continues could have had one song in major key. Didn't Enter the 36 chambers have at least three? I'm thinking maybe half of the tracks, actually. But I can see when you are in the studio, playing the keys, you might seem pussy fiddling around with the major scale.
By the way, there is some light in If Time Is Money. That song is amazing.
Not at all.. I said that my beats are too a version or inspired by the 90s productions of RZA, 4th and True. Not the actual thing. The actual thing wont happen because as Origin so well described it, the music is lacking an era. I think that's the ultra way to describe it.Quote:
Originally Posted by josborne3680
I agree with you said about the time period. I think that's MOST of the issue right there. You can't recreate that time period. People want to bring it back but it's just impossible. These guys aren't in the same mindstate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
'the music is lacking an era'.
Agreed. It's instinctive for producers to keep diggin' for that brand new, authentic 'gold' though. That's why I feel that they should still keep putting out music. They'll find it if they keep pushing & don't 'force' the flavour.
I heard that skit fades into a posse cut with Cher, Carice van Houten and FC Barcelona players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
Cher and the FC players are acting in a skit together... Carice is on another skit with Rae.
on the off chance, does Carice say anything in Dutch as well as in English in that skit with Rae? probably a long shot but it would be cool if there was like one line in Dutch on OUATISQuote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
peace
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