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Is Cena going to get fired or help Barrett win?
I'd like to see Edge win the WHC from Kane but it's probably not going to happen...
Orton is gonna lose the WWE chamionship I think...
AHAHHHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
John Cena got fired, AHAHHAHAAHGHAAHAHAHHHHAHAH
watch him be the last entry in the Royal Rumble or something
New heavyweight champ.
^ he finally cashed in the briefcase!!!!
why they bringin back kotr?
does regal ahve to defend his title of kotr for the past year or 2?
still wating 4 y2j to get off tour with fozzie the bear
I think Cena may legit be gone for some time, I'd say up until Wrestlemania (they can't have it without him). Damn think about it he's been going non-stop for about 8 years, doing movies, cameo appearances, wrestling, talk shows interviews, radio interviews, signing autographs, and again promoting whatever he's in. (barring injuries of course) Add the years in development and that's about 10 years non-stop.
For once I might be interested in wrestling, and the direction the go with here,
I sure as hell don't know who's gonna challenge for the WWE Championship.
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little girl's reaction immediately after The Miz beat Randy Orton for the WWE Championship
lol her reaction was priceless
Yeah I saw that when I watched it and thought, she musdt be controlling Miz with her evil mind.
Miz used to be such a nice boy before and now, he is being controlled by this evil being.
That is not a reaction, that is her making Miz do what he does with evil mind control, lol.
HA-HA, see you in 7 years dumbass
cm punk is a better wrestler, better on the mic and over all better than both the hardy's combined and sorry jeff u did not make cm punk maybe u should lay off the drugs because they have you going through hallucination
well if you have it your way hectis, you won't be seeing any of him after his incarceration
Juan?
its a way around cena doing house shows cuz if he is fired he cant do house shows but juan cena can
Hardy's feud versus Punk is what really put Punk in the spotlight, character wise. Other than that feud, Punk's character has been stale. And it's all he relies on. He is a nerd. A glorified nerd who probably does Heroin behind the scenes. Punk hasn't been able to transcend his character AT ALL, and even as a face he's just the same guy only nice. LOL. Punk is in trouble I hate to say. He's on commentary duty now LOL. Danielson hurts Punk because the WWE doesn't like too many of those "good wrestler" types, if ya' know what I mean. A Punk / Danielson feud could save Punk, as well really put Danielson up there. It's the only real direction I see the E giving Punk and trying to help him stay relevant. It'd be a shame if they drop the ball with him. Hardy is just taking his heel role to the EXTREME with all this, and personally, I gotta say I like it.
Miz winning the title was pretty faggoty. I think they finally decided to say, HEY, LETS TRY IT.. WE FUCKED AROUND AND GAVE HIM THE DAMN MITB TO BEGIN WITH. Lmfao. Dude is a great Midcarder but man.. he's now the face of the company? REALLY. Can you say transistion champ? So we can expect some good, funny promos, but the matches are gonna' be awkward as hell. The whole him winning just seemed to be. I missed it live but the replay on SD! looked dull.
main event of Summerslam '94 but I couldn't find Leslie Neilsen's cameos where they brought him in to get to the bottom of who the real Undertaker was (by the way the one in gray was later in D.O.A. biker gang as Chainz)
cm punk the best commentator in the wwe
Are they putting Jerry Lawler in the main event?
2010 kotr = *FACEPALM*
King vs Miz easy match of the year candidate.
You're absolutely right about that. Although a motivated Jeff Hardy is fun to watch, the key word is MOTIVATED. Matt Hardy has always been the better of the two in terms of putting a match together with psychology, but even at his best he's not as good as CM Punk in the ring (don't even get my started who is better on the mic). For those who ONLY watch WWE CM Punk is new to you, but if you've been keeping up with the indies then he's no newcomer. Until about a year ago I was finally convinced WWE was using him properly (i.e. his feud with Hardy). But once again...politics rears their ugly head. The Undertaker wasn't too big on CM Punk (and apparently niether was HBK, which truly shocks me), and you saw what happened during the Undertaker feud. But whatever, no matter how much they try to bury CM Punk he's still one of the most over guys in the company.
HBK vs Taker really wasn't MOTY it was two old dudes pulling out all the old tricks and kicking out of eachother's finishers ten times each. It was just absurd and overdone. Overdone in wrestling as a whole. Every indy "goodbye" match has been ending the way HBK/Taker did for the last 50 years. It was a great match though and deserves to be mentioned. I've seen tons of matches this year from the WWE which have been MUCH better. For example, the Orton vs Bourne match on RAW months ago the Shooting StaRKO match, the ending was simply better and it was a decent match. Any of Danielson's last few PPV opening matches... Kofi Kingston has had some damn good curtain jerkers this year.. there's just so much more in the WWE than HBK/Taker. But I will not call you a fool for picking that match.
And CM Punk is a nerd like Hardy said.. hearing him get verbally manhandled by Michael Cole was the nail in the coffin for him as far as I'm concearned. Even if they are burying him, he has been given the chance to fight for himself and he's on RAW being a fucking cornball like Hardy said. Hardy in TNA right now would smack the shit outta Punk in his days vs Raven back in ROH and the indies.
You say that, but unlike Lawler vs Miz, which NO ONE believed Lawler could win (and that is a very important point), the HBK/Undertaker match could've gone either way (and before you say, "Me and my group of friends all knew Undertaker would win, so there!", check the IWC boards prior to the match. Fact is more people leaned on Undertaker winning the match, but there was still a good number of people who saw this as being Undertaker's big Wrestlemania loss). You can complain about kicking out of each other's finishers (which can be annoying, but doesn't sink a match to shit), but it clearly told very great story in this case. It built off their last big match (psychology), had better offense throughout than Lawler vs Miz, and in the end means a hell of alot more than a surprisingly good Lawler vs Miz match that had one guy EVERYONE knew would win.
And for the record, I don't think Undertaker vs HBK was THE best match of the year, I was just saying that is the best match from the WWE this year (workrate, psychology, story, importance...etc. No match in the WWE this year so far comes close to that when ALL those factors are considered. The TV matches you listed were very good, but none had the time to build to anything more than a "very good, but forgettable" level). Best match I've seen this year is either Chikara's big Cibernetico match, Mike Quakenbush/Manami Toyota vs Claudio Castognoli/Sara Del Rey, or the best match out of the Beer Money vs Motorcity Machine Guns series from earlier this year (if I remember right, the match they had right before their PPV finale). But if you ignored those and ONLY watched WWE, nothing is touching Undertaker vs HBK (for someone complaining about old guys battling it out, Lawler is older than both of them, and MIZ is no where near the worker of either despite the fact that Lawler carried him to a good match).
WWE released MVP......fuck that....he should have been champion but yeah that's right....Vince dosent like black people....
See, that's what I'm saying. NO ONE, atleast the older fans, believed Lawler would win. unimaginable. Maybe some younger fans thought so, but only because they see Lawler as some old announcer. BUT then after Miz goes through the table, and King is alone atop the ladder; Riles is laid out too, there's just something that felt good about the moment and for a moment I believed he was going to win. It was well worked, and a well scripted match. And even AFTER Cole? When Miz and Lawler were at the top, knowing that Lawler always had those sick punches, there was a second where I thought they might just be crazy enough to put the belt on Lawler, even if just for the night. But Miz, worked the ending very nicely, hung on and used the belt. Turned out to be a SURPRISINGLY good match, and when I looked at it all, I said you know I bet a lot of people were surprised at it as well, at how well it was done, so it's certainly capable of being placed with 10-15 other matches as a candidate for MOTY. And I was only talking about the WWE. To me there's too much damn wrestling, too many styles, to really compare them all. But a great match is a great match nonetheless.
I think the fact the match was terrible is causing you to overrate it a bit. Surprisingly good (I'd even say it was very good) is an accurate rating. But MOTY...nah, not even if we're just talking WWE. And really, it was too much of a leap to think for one second Lawler could possibly win, which pretty much made the whole thing an exercise in pointlessness when it comes down to it. Even the fanboy in me didn't buy it (and this is coming from a guy who, for a couple moments, thought Ric Flair might go over Edge in their one and only ladder match a couple years back).
The HBK/Undertaker match was better in every possible way (besides having better offense, better pacing, a much much better story going into it, and a much better crowd, a good argument for either man going over could be made). I just don't get how you could be so high on that match, but then rag on Undertaker vs HBK when looking at things objectively.
Well I'm just gonna say it, you look at wrestling from a SMARK's point of view so there really is no point in justifying why I thought the match was good because you'll use psychology, pacing, offense, all this shit to defend why I PERSONALLY IN MY OWN MIND shouldn't think of the match highly. Could you name 20 matches this year that even I would agree were OVERALL BETTER yes. But like you said, the fanboy in me, would keep that match in there somewhere.
Just wondering, do you consider Lawler a legend at all? I mean other than WWE. You seem knowledgeable enough to know of his early work. Would you place him REAL high on the legends list if so? Imagine if Lawler was a touring type, like Ric Flair was back in the days. Instead of holding court and keeping it Memphis. This is why I think the match was great, because it was a LEGEND in there.. and for a moment I forgot that Lawler was a WWE announcer and actually thought that was the guy who slapped Andy Kaufman and piledrove women, so maybe, just maybe...
Kinda like how you were with Flair and Edge. Only I dunno how you could think Flair wasn't capable of getting the W in any match, even in his late WWE jobbing days. It's fucking Flair. He can pull that GOD card out at any moment..
I think Jerry Lawler is a little overrated as being a legend, wrestling wise.
Lawler overrated? Wrestling wise? He wasn't the greatest of wrestlers inring wise, but who exactly from his era was doing SPECTACULAR things in the ring? It was a different time back then. Back then was really about the storytelling and the back n forth in ring. Now it's about big spots, hardcore and big payoffs to short feuds. Wrestling wise, there were only a few guys at the time who were even going to the top rope. Randy Savage innovated going up top for an AMERICAN wrestler. At that time we lagged behind Japan and Mexico in terms of having the best WRESTLING WISE matches. But we still had the GREAT STORIES and the BIGGER THAN LIFE characters. Lawler, unlike the Hogans and Flairs, also didn't trek too far from home. Atleast no where near as much as they did. While the Kaufman feud got him mainstream pub, he was always local in Memphis and he never really traveled to outside territories. Flair was all over the place, getting his name out there. Hogan the same. I garuntee you there were plenty of territories where fans wanted to see Lawler but he was always about Memphis. If anything Lawler is underrated as a legend, and mainly thanks to the WWE.
heh, once again I think few knew that TNA had a PPV yesterday. It was decent but it kinda got fucked up & predictable towards the final matches.
Yeah I did forget, was busy last night though, gonna read results now.
I'm assuming RVD/Rhino seemed decent, gotta see that Van Terminator...
Williams/Styles sounded like it was good.
MCMG vs Gen Me was probably the show stealer.
Other than that nothing seems to jump out. Hardy retained of course.
And The Shore is still in control.
I'm not doubting the match was good (I'd even go as far as to say it was very good). But not MOTY type good (especially since, again, if for no other reason, there was never any doubt who was going over). Also, truth be told, you're clearly a mark for Lawler so even if listed 50 matches better (honestly, I don't think there were 50 WWE matches this year better than that Lawler/Miz), you already have your "Nope, that sucked compared to Lawler/Miz, next?" pretyped. So I'll keep it simple and just say that HBK/Undertaker had a better backstory, better crowd reaction, better offense, meant ALOT more as a match, and history will pretty much write it as one of the most memorable matches of 2010, whereas Miz/Lawler will be remembered among Miz's matches (most likely), but in the history of wrestling it'll be lost in the shuffle. It is what it is.
To your other question, I consider Lawler one of the greats for all his pre-WWE stuff. His Memphis work is pretty much undeniable. If we're just talking USA, I'd say he's pretty high on the greatest ever list (lower end of the top 20 or so).
And about the Flair/Edge match, I think you may have misread what I typed. I'm saying I DID think, for a split second, that Flair could go over in that match. Unlike the Miz/Lawler match (which was still very good in my eyes), there were too many factors as to why Miz would definitely not lose the belt against Lawler.
Any Shimmer fans in here? I'm recently catching back up with all the recent volumes (I put them on the backburner while I playing catch up with the recent Chikara and EVOLVE DVDs). As much as I enjoy Ring of Honor, Shimmer is creeping up to my 2nd favorite promotion these days. Chikara, is still my favorite, but I'm loving the old school feel of Shimmer (and to see a promotion full of women that can work better than a lot of men is really refreshing).
It's great to have high-quality alternatives to the messy booking of TNA, and the nurtured storylines of WWE.
It's funny because I never liked Lawler, until recently as I got older and was able to backtrack to his real work. Still ain't a huge Lawler fan. But I see where you would think I am a Lawler mark. I'm definitely not though. There's only one wrestler I mark for and that's Sabu. I was religiously arguing with folks that his latest TNA run was a good one LOL. Let's not even go there though.
As for knowing Lawler's work then good I am glad, you should understand then why an old dude like myself could actually get in to things for once. Have an actual passion for cheering a wrestler on again. I don't think I've said "CMON NIGGA GET UP THERE!" or "CMON NIGGA PIN HIS ASS!" but once in the past 7 or so years and that was when RVD won the TNA title. I love seeing the old schoolers and to see them actually not have to job / look REALLY old is just a plus.
As for SHIMMER, no I am not in to that but I know about it and I know the females there are really good. The thing about the good wrestling today, most of the indies, like you alluded to, is you have to BUY everything or DOWNLOAD everything or PAY for shows. Or you have to check out their home pages and read results, news, blahzay blah. It's a hassle to follow good wrestling today. I think the closest to seeing good wrestling on TV is ROH on HDNet and not everyone has that. I remember the days when ECW was on in syndication on Sunshine, WWF and WCW had about 3 extra shows a week other than Mondays, IWA Puerto Rico was on Sunshine, MLW was on Sunshine after ECW folded, we used to get WoW and WeW on Sunshine and also a few other small times/weird companies. They even would show old Wrestling from Florida shows; Eddie Graham's old company now turned in to FCW, WWE's farm league..bleh. We even used to get some FCW shows on CSS time to time. And then about 5 years ago it all stopped and it's been all WWE and TNA all the time.