Election thread

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Originally Posted by Sideshow Bob

I have friends who have 40 - 60k of loan debt, some with even more than that. Their education has earned them a job making 45K or less, unrelated to what they were studying.

Mike Rowe was right http://reason.com/blog/2015/12/15/mi...s-stop-telling

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i know lots of people in the above situation myself included when i was after employment... but thats the whole point? get the youth to be educated in skilled jobs, then fuck up the wages/interest rates/tax of the corporations that need the skilled work load, the only option is use other sea's workers who are cheap as fuck...

which makes the person with the degree end up working at ikea or asda or some utilities company where they have to work 40+ hours to get the wages they should have got from their nice degrees.



the system is awesome.

Its the truth.

it's an unnecessary expense. It's like buying a new car or house without a job. And then some of these interest rates.... Lol it's a joke, you can get a 30 year mortgage for half the rate.

Free university isn't fixing the problem. You already have a whole generation of 20 somethings in major debt before they even had a real job, with the same degree as everyone else and less experience than the kids who started working out of high school as interns.

So now they have prolonged childhood basically and are 4-10 years behind In terms of earnings.


Huge mess.

Not only do most of these kids leave college without having a real job but many haven't even developed a real work ethic.

That takes a few years. And when you come into the market with debt and your underpaid by whatever your standards were, that's going to clash.

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Originally Posted by Sideshow Bob

lol I'm glad I did a few summers after high school with that Italian construction company then some hardscaping. They broke me down and treated me like less than a dog. The old man who ran the company ... and I guess died a few years ago from pancreatic cancer made me work in one of his sand pits with no shade in 96 degree heat for a summer.

The guy would constantly tell me a little hard work won't kill you. The foreman also would rip on you 24/7 and say stuff like your mother should've swallowed that load. Or they'd question if I was a jew for eating a bagel with my coffee. LOL imagine if one these college safe space kids experienced that?

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Yea you better have thick skin if your the new guy. And hard work won't kill you. You do it long enough and someone else will be in those sand pits.

The best thing about labor jobs is that you don't have to deal with all that office corporate fake shit. And you don't have to shower before work. Nice luxury, the after work shower feels much better.


But you need to be the bitch at some point you need to be humbled. It sucks but that's how it's developed. And before you know it, you become addicted to it and you can take that to any job and it's an asset.

You literally take that old mans lessons I work with you through life. And im sure at the time you hated the motherfucker.

It's funny how it works.

Sounds like some of the older dudes I used to work for lol.

Man there were some characters over the years.

I always thought about making a comedy series about it.

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Originally Posted by Sideshow Bob

I have friends who have 40 - 60k of loan debt, some with even more than that. Their education has earned them a job making 45K or less, unrelated to what they were studying.

Mike Rowe was right http://reason.com/blog/2015/12/15/mi...s-stop-telling

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I read a story about a lady who is $150,000 in student loan debt. She lives in CA and has a law degree. She went to law school for the wrong reasons. The sad thing about her ordeal is she ever obtained a full-time job five years after she finished law school. Well, she filed a lawsuit against her former law school stating that the school lured her in based on false recent graduate employment rates.

Seriously?! Anyone with a brain would understand that a law degree will not guarantee employment. Case dismissed!

LAwyers don't always make the money people think they do. I think the average is a lot lower than we think. I forgot the exact number but for how much law school Costa it's def a struggle if you're not good.

they have the highest rate of suicide of any professional I believe. Being a lawyer seems to suck. It's hit or miss but is advertised as hit and the average lawyer like someone just said makes nothing worth the cost of the education

I think it was like 45k a year the average salary.

and like the average monthly loan payment for them is like 700

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Originally Posted by Olive Oil Goombah

I think it was like 45k a year the average salary.

and like the average monthly loan payment for them is like 700

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Good God!

The annoying thing about this primary is that Bernie wants to dog the ACA but he can't. He's so worried about insulting Obama and losing the black votes he literally has a gag order on himself.

Because his plan would do away with ACA, which has essentially been a "good intention" failed experiment for a lot of people. Even Hillary admitted that last night.

Every one of these democrat debates has been about pandering for the minority vote. It's cringeworthy.

I just assumed they already had it with all the rhetoric about Trump.

I personally enjoyed the Muslim-Indian radiologist whose first generation who all of a sudden "fears for his life" because of Trump.

C'mon son. I don't what the Indian population is like in other states but in Greater Cleveland, it seems like 9/10 are some form of Doctor or they own a small business (mr. Hero mostly around here and convenient stores) and usually the sons and daughters of more well off immigrants. I've yet to see the "struggle" they speak of.
Per capita they have to be the wealthiest "minority" in the country.

ACA is shit. Bernie should just go ahead and say it's shit. People over simplify the black vote and community in general to their determent and the person doing it the worst is hilary with nay naying. Unless she aims to attract 16 yr old girls that happen to like to dance and can dance to the extent that they're happy to do the nay nay and see other people do it, then she's an idiot if she thinks a room full of Morgan Freemans or even Willie D's are going to vote for her because she did the nay nay. Or anyone of voting age. My 3 year old niece effin loves it though.

Same with the belief that opposing obama is going to make you lose the 'black vote'. Black people criticize obama all the time. The issue is that attacks on obama are 90% of the time coded racism or just flat out insults that most black people themselves have had to endure one way or another.
Obama has been the most publicly unopposed president because what's said about him is too ridiculous to stick.

Bernie should go ahead and say the ACA is stupid. The original people saying the ACA was stupid were saying it because they believed Obama was a communist, and used that phrase often. The focus will always be on the black people defending him and not the ridiculousness of the attacks.

He can't though. And I agree people oversimplify the black vote because I wouldn't be surprised there's a lot of closet Trump guys out there.

With all the focus in the impoverished and imprisoned black Americans, there are plenty that live in good suburbs who have good jobs. I see it first hand every single day.

That's why I cringe when I see them talking to blacks with kid gloves. Stop that shit please.

I think that's how whites who have no experience living with blacks act though. And Bernie and Hillary are exactly that.

White people who never grew up with diversity tend to overcompensate in some form.

Either with white guilt or with hatred. It's weird but I guess it's probably a normal human behavior.

Black middle class and poor white people are two demographics that the country doesn't want to acknowledge exists.

http://blackdemographics.com/wp-cont...art-22_opt.jpg

poor black people and very rich white people get a lot of attention and everyone outside of those strata are anomalies. 'black issues' always gets lumped into a box that only addresses shit like police violence or crime which is pretty annoying because being that white people and black people are in the same country the range of issues they face are pretty much identical.

Had criticism of Obama been sober I don't believe the ACA would have passed but this unworkable irrational trench was dug and it became 'fuck him' v. 'leave him alone'.

Black voters like and respect Obama for his symbolic relevance, but within the black community there are debates about his policies (gay marriage, ACA, inaction on police oversight, did he do enough etc) couple this with the fact that culturally most black ppl i've met are pretty republican, the republicans blew a chance to be a real party again by acting like irrational alex jones listeners and throwing an 8 year hissy fit about chimps guns kenyans and communists

Yea it's pretty pathetic when they do that. Because most blacks are conservative especially in the south which is basically their demographic base.

Before I vote I need to know who Benny Fubu is endorsing. Aka food for thought.

I can't imagine it's Bernie because of all the past anti-semitism.

What anti semitism? Is it actually anti semitism or just anti Israel stuff that the Israeli government crys anti semitism any time any one criticises their treatment of Palestinians?

Just curious, I dont know much about Bernie pre this election.

In all honesty though, will Trump be 'allowed' become president by the powers that be? Im not talking about rigging elections, but corporate America has enough money and power to put an end to the Trump campaign in other ways. I cant imagine any of those huge corporations and the big powerful familys like the Rockerfellers wanting Trump in the presidents seat.

An example of anti semitism is racist Farrakhan. He hates jews so much that he praised Donald Trump.

America is a democratic republic and if the people elect Trump "Corporations" can't stop it.


I swear you non-Americans really have no idea what a stable form of government we have. It pretty amazing. Especially when you see how governments come and go In places like Europe.


I'm not saying it's flawless but it's definitely one of the best set ups out there. Longevity alone will tell you that.

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Originally Posted by Sideshow Bob

Bernie is Jewish

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Oh, read it wrong

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Originally Posted by Olive Oil Goombah

America is a democratic republic and if the people elect Trump "Corporations" can't stop it.


I swear you non-Americans really have no idea what a stable form of government we have. It pretty amazing. Especially when you see how governments come and go In places like Europe.


I'm not saying it's flawless but it's definitely one of the best set ups out there. Longevity alone will tell you that.

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What I meant was that the large corporations can lobby and put money behind who they want. It will be really fuckin interesting to see if trump does get elected and what he does as president.

People here in canada are freaking out about it lol

After tonight, it looks like Hillary is pretty much a lock to be the democratic candidate.

Fuck Hilary

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Originally Posted by Durag

Oh, read it wrong



What I meant was that the large corporations can lobby and put money behind who they want. It will be really fuckin interesting to see if trump does get elected and what he does as president.

People here in canada are freaking out about it lol

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Well that's been the whole appeal behind Trump and even Sanders to an extent.

People are leery of government corruption and cronyism and the lobbyists.

Trump has no lobby. He's self financed so he essentially is the anti puppet on the strings.

He's really kind of unique.

Bernie took mostly small donations but he was taking on Hillary and her list of endorsements on top off running on the Obama continuation.


Trump doesn't bother me. He's crass as fuck and I've yet to hear anything substantial from him besides a wall and some numbers from his new tax system.

He's very moderate on a lot of issues.

But the left HATES his political incorrectness.

I actually think they hate that he is this popular and they don't like the thought of the possibility of losing.




I wouldn't "fear" Trump or be afraid to that extent. That stuff is completely overblown.

But seriously who knows what these guys will do once elected. They all lie and they can't all do what they promise because they arent dictators.

Obamas ACA wound up being a bust and hurting the very middle class he claimed to be running for.

They all want that middle class vote, it's essentially the swing vote.

Same old shit new election year.

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Twitter battles. Eek.

I was at the bar last night and some guy was freaking out that Kasich won Ohio saying it was fixed. I was like Jesus leave.

Kasich was the favorite it's his home state and he had a high approval rating. Although I know a lot of people dislike a lot of what he did with public employees and trade.

Anyway, some of my FB Bernstormers were having a rough time coping last night.

I knew Ohio wouldn't go with Bernie. Michigan and Ohio have very different demographics it's what makes Ohio a swing state and Michigan a blue state.


It's Trump v. Hillary

well since it's trump v. hilary I officially don't care. Trump will beat her though and it'll be a blow out because the more she talks the dodgier and less credible she reveals herself to be.

@touch, you'll be surprised how fragile stability can be, even here. This hasn't happened since Andrew Jackson and during his time everything was flipped on it's ass.

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Originally Posted by TSA

well since it's trump v. hilary I officially don't care. Trump will beat her though and it'll be a blow out because the more she talks the dodgier and less credible she reveals herself to be.

@touch, you'll be surprised how fragile stability can be, even here. This hasn't happened since Andrew Jackson and during his time everything was flipped on it's ass.

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I agree I'm not naive enough to believe it'll last forever. But I just don't personally think THIS election is going to crumble it.

Hillary will probably win a close one.

If Trump wins the left is going to go insane. When they don't win they do that now. They are dividers as much as anyone right now.

It's counterproductive.... These sore loser extremists.

I'm not picking sides I don't care which of them wins.

It's just going to be funny watching the left pour their support into Hillary.

Some of the Bernie 'white guilt' supporters are funny in a sad way. They remind me of a white charles jones.

I'm sadden that Mark Rubio didn't win in his home state, he dropped out of the Presidental race, and he won't run for Senate next term. WTF?! The guy is a skillful politician who has a lot going for him. Sucks to see him giving up so easily.

It's pretty bad when you lose your own state.

lol bob


i think bernie would make an awesome vp under trump

Bernies a LOSER and trump dont play dat.

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Originally Posted by Sideshow Bob

Lol YEP. This is why the regressive left will never have my vote. These people are hellbent on destroying freedom of press, speech & public assembly (which they don't agree with.

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dafuq, the dude was asking that sexy mexican chica for her details, and got cock blocked by an old age SJW granny


what kinda faggoty left is that?

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Originally Posted by soul controller

dafuq, the dude was asking that sexy mexican chica for her details, and got cock blocked by an old age SJW granny


what kinda faggoty left is that?

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This is the left of today.

thats not even close to the left. ;/

just read this and found it interesting.. thoughts guys?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/...al-candidates/

Perilous Unknowns: the Mental Health of Presidential Candidates


... really want trump to get in now. lulz will surely follow!

For the record, I don't think Trump can win the election. His approval rating amongst blacks and hispanics is very low and he has the GOP bickering among themselves.

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If its Trump v Hillary then Trump all the way. I read somewhere that Hillary is going to try and get both parties together on foreign policies so effectively there would be no one to oppose her. And that she was going to use the same people Bush used in the invasion of Iraq. I dont think there is any doubt that a war would be started or an existing one extended or further ventured into under Hillary.

I think Trump would tone it down if got elected.

Bernie would def get my vote if I was in the states.

What pisses me off about democrates is I read a lot are starting to think that Bernie wont win so are gonna vote for Hillary instead in an effort to make sure a republican doesnt win.

^^ seen the hogan / trumps memes for a while now..

trump needs to make it happen, should be the main event at the next WM

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Originally Posted by Durag

If its Trump v Hillary then Trump all the way. I read somewhere that Hillary is going to try and get both parties together on foreign policies so effectively there would be no one to oppose her. And that she was going to use the same people Bush used in the invasion of Iraq. I dont think there is any doubt that a war would be started or an existing one extended or further ventured into under Hillary.

I think Trump would tone it down if got elected.

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i disagree, obama killed democracy, he doesn;t need authorization for wars/drones etc.. trump is a fucktard with the brain of a minion, the abuse the powers that a sane man as president had,compared to trumpm trump is beyond insane, he is as radical as isis, imagine someone as radical in charge, with no one to answer too???

least Obama has some sort of moral (cough) decency.

check the last link i posted in this thread, on trumps mental health...

hence why i want that fucktard in charge,, it will be so fucking lulzy