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i dont get it.. whats wrong with that beat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollow Dartz
that songs dope
and this beat is a BANGER and a single of seans last album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHtaKrXjFRM
he also had 2 of the top 5 beats on abettertomorrow
This album is dope
this album keeps growing on me, it's just good to have some brand new Wu to nod my head to. Mathematics brought it with the production, some of his best work in years for real. "Pearl Harbor", "People Say", "Frozen", "The Saga Continues", it's just bangers upon bangers. i actually like "A Better Tomorrow" quite a lot more than most on this site it seems but i have to admit that it's fresh as hell to see something close to a Clan project with a more certified classic Wu sound.
Nah bro. You're satisfied with that and people shitting on THIS album? (The Sean P track was nice)Quote:
Originally Posted by ForensikZ
P.S. "If Time is Money" on Repeat all day
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Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
eh. you're in the Netherlands and your shit doesn't sound like bikes and free healthcare. Environment is a factor but this is the issue.
Wutang Forever sounded nothing like 36 Chambers, but they were both great expressions of where they were as in their particular careers. Wu-tang Forever captured the grandeur of being on top of the world, older and wiser, 36 Chambers captured hunger and their then youth. All other albums suck at capturing whatever the hell they're trying to capture and express. It isn't that their lives are 'bad', they're worst at making art around their life. That's just what it is. I'm not a Jay-z fan but he has done a good job making whatever junction he's at in life into music his fans enjoy.
I think it would be lame for them to try to remake their 'old sound' (which all attempts are stupid because they have no clue why people even lik(ed) them). All of their attempts to remake their sound suck and will always suck cause they're not the same people. But whoever they are now, it's not impossible to express that well, and that's all people are asking for.
That ONLY person that has done this well is Ghostface. On 36 Chambers he was hungry. On CL he was desperate, on Ironman he was comfortable (having finally gotten paid and signed). The fact that supreme clientele was made after him coming back from a health scare and was aiming to save wu-tangs legacy and assert his individuality was done masterfully. You listen to the album and everything from the lyrics to the beats to the skits let you know this. Every ghost albums sounds like Ghost where he's at in life and that's why his albums are consistent.
All good hip hop is art based on life. If you're 50 and shit work hard on letting us know what that's like.
Rza thinks hip hop is inferior to everything, that's the actual issue. Dude was very underexposed growing up as most poor americans are, and is having a hard time putting things in context. Rza doesn't acknowledge his L's as L's and he's visibly in a cloud of delusion. If he makes shitty music it's shitty because the listener is shitty not him. He's firmly convinced that the issue with wutang is the other group member's opinions and not his desire to make weed plates for russell crow.
This imbecile literally came out at the height of black lives matter saying that black kids should stop wearing hoodies. AND HE FUCKING SELLS HOODIES AND VAMPIRE TEETH TO BLACK KIDS LOOOOL Cher? Nigga, what? LOL
^lolz I think rza's hip hop days ended many years ago. It's like he's just faking it now. I think he should just drop it n focus on whatever other shit he's into. Same could probably b said for gza, except that he basically HAS just moved on, as far as I can tell. Hopefully he still gives Dark matter his all tho. I think he will. He's def not rushing it, lolz.
The Ghost helmed Clan LP has a shot at being very good. The snippet that leaked sounded modern but not contrived and it wasn't leaning on any classic Wu sound. Ghost and MK sounded live on it.
I quite liked 8D and ABT, but its clear that the group needs a shot in the arm and a break from RZAs dictatorship. Also its asinine to keep trying to recreate a classic record. No great album you can think of was trying to copy something else so trying to use 36 Chambers, Forever or anything else as a blueprint is never going to succeed.
can someone repost this snippet here? i must've missed or overlooked it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaDynasty
also, i agree with your second paragraph completely. 8D and ABT, both sounded horrible to me upon first listen, went back and listened a couple times later on and like them both, certainly not the early classics full of bangers, but not bad at all. Also, you couldnt be more correct about trying to use the older albums as blueprints for newer albums. It just wont work as planned. Look at Outkast for example, they have had massive success and one thing they have done is re-invented themselves on EVERY album, and have had great success doing it. At the same time, i would've loved another album like SouthernPlayalistic.... or even ATLiens, i just dont see it happening and being successful today, and dont think it would've worked so much back then either...
also, i would like to add that i think Rza can still make dope hip hop. he hasnt lost anything, he still has the abilities and know how. But its all in what he wants to make, what he envisions. Just because its not what certain people may want to hear or expect from him, doesnt mean its wack and no good(not saying everything he does is dope either, dont get confused). He has evolved, many wu-tang fans have not, and thats a fact...
Here is the thread you were looking forQuote:
Originally Posted by Brolic Child
http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/sho...ming-WTC-track
peace
Agree, he has lost touch. ABT was wack as fuck. 8D was mehhh. After listening to this album I'd be ok if Rza didn't appear on the next Wu project at all. Just ad libs. They continue to drop solid projects without him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
Well said!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brolic Child
When you say "this album" do you mean "The Saga Continues" as RZA did exec produce that and rapped on it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollow Dartz
Definitely open and interested for the Ghost exec produced WTC album but still want RZA involvement as a rapper and maybe 1-2 production credits like a skit or
a bonus track. Curious to see if someone else can form Voltron and be the Abbot of a WTC album! Hopefully it comes SUUUUUUUUUner than later...
PEACE
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Originally Posted by Lee Towers
thanks homiesQuote:
Originally Posted by MikeAll
youre a fucking idiot. i really dont need to explain why here either. do i?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollow Dartz
Can you confidently tell me that A Better Tomorrow is a better album sonically than Liquid Swords. You just said he evolved. Can you confidently say that again with an exampleQuote:
Originally Posted by Brolic Child
honestly, dude's lame. I agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollow Dartz
evolving doesnt exactly mean its gonna be betterQuote:
Originally Posted by TSA
but if you cant see how rza went from taking full samples, to keyboard era bobby digi stuff, to his new live sounds as evolving idk what to tell ya
to me he did a much better with the live sound on 8d and the mcs let him down overall..... i dont even think he uses a beat machine anymore.. prolly writing down music and having it all played live and cutting in protools. abt has its moments but its overproduced like a mother
i dont even really think the beats themselves were the problem on abt.. it was more the song structures (how many songs were revolved around a corny hook with everyone rhyming about the same subject instead of the wild abstract shit they usualy did...) preachers daughter...mistaken identity...never let go..felt.. the same formula over and over. those songs are all similar to starter from 8d.. sticking to a topic and with a ehhhhh hook. its just boring and not the explosive unpredictability the wu has been known for. and again the rappers let him down even more than on 8d.
just like how he overproduced unpredictable with that wack dexter wiggles and electric guitar he added that wack disney singing to miracle (which i dont hate.. helps with the "broaodway"/opera/play vibe).
that and he was just replaying old loops for tracks like wu tang reunion and ron oneil when if he woulda sampled them it woulda sounded better (kinda like the ron oneil single which has the original sampled version and sounds much better).
a lot of unneeded singing was on that album that took people out of it.
but if anything i think it was the clan who let rza down as a lot of their verses were lackluster but the album had rays of the old wu genius with "a better tomorrow ii" , "ruckus in b minor","crushed egos", "miracle" and "necklace".
idk who okd nathaniel on that album. tekitha is on a better tomorrow ii... replace nathaniel with her and i think those songs are better
When RZA came in the game Wus sound was radically different from everything else, there was never a predictable Wu sound. The things that we call the "Wu sound" now was just RZA being weird and creative.
I think saying he did or didn't evolve or got worse is ignoring the fact that hes always had a leftfield approach to producing Hip Hop. Whatever you might expect, hes going to do the opposite and I really don't think his MO changed that much over the years. Its less effective now, but thats just like any artist whos been around for a while. I'll take the restless creativity and occasional brilliance of ABT over the solid but basically forgettable productions on Saga Continues any day.
Shut your dumbass up. I don't care for a Rza beat or Rhyme at this point in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brolic Child
Saga continues and ABT a both forgettable and lame. There's no point making excuses for Rza because Pharrel is just as unconventional and gets far less complaints from anyone. Rza isn't good at make beats at all, the ship sailed. Pharrel has been in hip hop as a producer longer than Rza, also scores movies and gets into all the shit Rza wants to get into etc. Rza has bad taste and his too deep in his own delusion to self correct. Not saying Rza has to be Pharrel but stop making excuses for him, he's lame.
Dude did a PSA on why you shouldn't wear hoodies and spent 3 solid years in zorro mask. I think his funny that you think the only alternative to ABT is Saga continues lol. We can make all the excuses we want but Rza is going to go on stage and not perform any of his evolved music for a reason lol.
http://enchos.com/wp-content/uploads...-new-music.jpg
lol you're defending someone that isn't defending himself
Ahahaha true. I remember an interview in 1998 for the release of bobby in stereo. He wore this goofy mask and he said he's a genius, he study chemistry with a microscope and he will discover some vaccines to help mankind. I was like "WTF is wrong with rza". I understood with time that rza gone megalomaniac after forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
I think you missed my point. My point was that RZA has always done leftfield shit, hes not going to stop doing it now but you might stop liking the directions it takes him. I don't like a lot of it myself but every now and then I do.
Pharrell is not comparable, hes an R&B producer who used the same formula on every record for years, and very rarely did anything unconvential. Maybe NERD, but a lot of their output is hit and miss.
I understand that and frankly that's why I respect him, but there's nothing left field about trying very hard to be a Russell Crowes bitch wrangler in music and life. There's nothing left field about ABT or 8 diagrams. There's also nothing left field about this particular album.
I get the you guys like him but in liking him you're trying to say that there has been some type of creative par between Only Built for Cuban Linx and Digi Snacks. That he has evolved or is being more inventive or creative.
How is Pharrell an RNB producer? You can not like his work but he's actually left field and actually brings new ideas to the table. He scores actual movies and enters different genres effortlessly without insulting or abandoning hip hop as a whole. Every excuse RZA's fans have for his dillusions are actual factors in Pharrells life, more so than RZA. Still nobody is complaining about Pharrell making bad music.
His evolved Banks and Steel project was trash and the evolved audience he made it for also shit on it universally. RZA fell off and I'd at this point a liability. Dude said ABT is what people 'need' not what they 'want'. And who the fuck are you to tell pPl what they need? lol
Dude has lost it. He's thinks Paul Banks aND him are an interesting pair of musical equals, campaigns for Hilary, thinks Russell crowe is about to make him famous, and is all lives matter all while making soundtracks for this detachment
Rza is a music's adventurer ! He has always wanted to go further and create new shits. Rae said that Rza lost his ears... I don't think so, he wants something fresh. Nowadays, he wants to please his new friends from Hellywood and all this rotten world. He wants to be acknowledged as a great artist.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaDynasty
There is no arguing about matters of taste ! According to me Pharrell sucks ! I don't like his shit at all. Hip hop is dead. Wu was my favourite hip hop band but they have fallen off. All this era sucks ! I am a man of the 20th century and I hate the noise they call music today.
Pharrell is an R&B producer based on the fact that he produces a lot more R&B than Rap. Even a lot of his rap beats are R&B sounding. Hes dope but the last 10 years he hasn't done much that I liked especially now Clipse is done. I liked more RZA shit in the last 10 years than Pharrell shit.
I think 8 Diagrams was real leftfield and underrated and ABT had some moments but thats another discussion. If you don't like anything he does now, it'll probably only get worse as he does more weird shit that nobody is asking for lol.
this is only tangentially related to the last few posts but the mixtape that had Pharrell rapping over wu beats on some of the tracks had some niiice moments
I think it was this one
http://www.datpiff.com/Pharrell-In-M...xtape.520.html
Dude made a whole mixtape dedicated to their work and instead of collabing with him you're looking for...PAUL BANKS.. idk man
Clipse did some Wu stuff on We Got It 4 Cheap series too. I remember Rainy Dayz and Daytona 500.
We Got It 4 Cheap were some of the all time best mixtapes, especially the first 2 installments
Replayed this over the last week. Get rid of a few songs and the skits and its an enjoyable listen.
^At the end of the day, RZA hijacked Math's album. Lol.
Tried listening to Digi Snacks, did not find it an enjoyable listen. Boring and anything but creative or inventive. All the songs are straight forward as far as I can remember. Again, I can't remember much nor did it have me jumping out of my seat like DAYUM.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
The other day, I was also listening to A Better Tomorrow. That album is not really remarkable either, save for a few musical details that had me listen to certain points again. Interesting to hear. Is it inventive or creative? Well not really since it is abides more by musical theory than RZA's earlier outings. And some of these details were already present in his beats from the 90's. Now he is just using instruments.
The most left field about 8 Diagrams is releasing a ODB dedication song without Ghostface, or removing the disco change up on Wolves.
Revisited this one again last night and gave it a spin. It still holds up, imo. Obviously it’s not on the level of the 90s Clan classics, and we shouldn’t expect it to be. But this is imo a solid album. I think Math had some solid production on there, and I think all the emcees brought it. Tracks like Lesson Learn’d, Fast and Furious, If Time is Money, Frozen, People Say, Pearl Harbor are my favorites. Some of the hooks are out of place, and I’d have like more of Deck and Ghost on this album but other than that, not much to complain about. It’s a very enjoyable listen.
Glad I wasn't around for this and luckily my favorite GZA wasn't either (okay 1 verse), not a coincidence I'm guessing. Whenever he's not involved, it must mean something. Aside from the guys RZA had beefs with verbally for all to see, I feel GZA is above all that and just shows it by not showing up lol. Just to break this down factually:
- 18 songs of which 8 SKITS / INTERLUDES, 8! That's 1 short of half of the album. Give me one other album that has that many.
- 10 actual songs of which 5, exactly half, are basically solo joints with just some features as in there's only 1 WU member on it.
This can hardly be called a group album, more like a mixtape poorly put together, even if some of the songs do go hard. Production was actually not that bad and I enjoy 7/10 of the actual songs so take away all the filler nonsense and you have a decent Wu-Tang compilation. But as a group album given the facts make this easily the worst and hardly feels like a Wu album. For all the crap 'A Better Tomorrow' gets, it easily beats this garbage excuse of an album and I appreciate RZA and the gang to go a bit deeper, softer songs, more heartfelt and less "classic" Wu. Just my two cents.
I do wonder, was this album even agreed on by the Clan? Did they promote it? Seems like RZA just thew something together for this in an attempt to stay relevant.
Yeah this was a Meth/Math mixtape that ended up a Wu project. Definitely not a Clan album. Peace
They did do a lot of promotion though. There were various interviews in which RZA stressed how he gave the keys to Math for this one.
This. And I think it would have played well that way with a few Wu features instead of what “they” forced it to become. 1 GZA and MK verse and no U-God? Seems like a stretch to get the Clan stamp.Quote:
Originally Posted by josborne3680
Ah really, so do we know of some joints that were cut that had Meth featuring other Wu members or was that spread out across his Meth Lab tapes?