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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

prove these eye-witnesses existed, and prove their reliability.
prove jesus did miracles.
prove how jesus conducted himself.

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?Early Christian sources outside the New Testament also mention Jesus and details of his life. Important texts from the Apostolic Fathers are, to name just the most significant and ancient, Clement of Rome (c. 100),[38] Ignatius of Antioch (c. 107-110),[39] and Justin Martyr.[40]

Perhaps the most significant Patristic sources are the early references of Papias and Quadratus (d. 124), mostly reported by Eusebius in the fourth century, which both mention eyewitnesses of Jesus’ ministry and healings who were still alive in their own time (the late first century). Papias, in giving his sources for the information contained in his (largely lost) commentaries, stated (according to Eusebius):

…if by chance anyone who had been in attendance on the elders should come my way, I inquired about the words of the elders — that is, what according to the elders Andrew or Peter said, or Philip, or Thomas or James, or John or Matthew or any other of the Lord’s disciples, and whatever Aristion and the elder John, the Lord’s disciples, were saying.[41]
Thus, while Papias was collecting his information (c. 90), Aristion and the elder John (who were Jesus’ disciples) were still alive and teaching in Asia minor, and Papias gathered information from people who had known them.[42] Another Father, Quadratus, who wrote an apology to the emperor Hadrian, was reported by Eusebius to have stated:

The words of our Savior were always present, for they were true: those who were healed, those who rose from the dead, those who were not only seen in the act of being healed or raised, but were also always present, not merely when the Savior was living on earth, but also for a considerable time after his departure, so that some of them survived even to our own times.[43]
By “our Savior” Quadratus means Jesus, and by “our times” it has been argued that he may refer to his early life, rather than when he wrote (117-124), which would be a reference contemporary with Papias

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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

well no shit YOU wouldn't. you have absolutely no understanding of any religion but you own (even that's questionable)
and please stop speaking for other people. if you don't know why they say what they say, just say you don't understand and keep it at that.

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so when they talk about gatting someone or buck 50ing a nigga they gonna go out a murder someone or slice somebody up hahahah its just shit they say !

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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

i was created in god's image, that means i am god
so i am very much capable of using god's laws
and if you say Christ is the image of god, and we know I am the image of god - I must be Christ

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yes we are made in the image of GOD but JESUS is the expressed image of GOD because he is GOD in the flesh they are two different meanings and im not going to explain it because it will take to long.

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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

why would you need jesus if you can't show me a single thing he can do for you during this physical life

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I already told you he can answer your prayers.


peace be with you !

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Originally Posted by prof zooruka

?Early Christian sources outside the New Testament also mention Jesus and details of his life.....blah blah blah

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you don't know what proof is, prof.

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so when they talk about gatting someone or buck 50ing a nigga they gonna go out a murder someone or slice somebody up hahahah its just shit they say !

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what the fuck are you on dude

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yes we are made in the image of GOD but JESUS is the expressed image of GOD because he is GOD in the flesh they are two different meanings and im not going to explain it because it will take to long.

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so i am made in the image of god, but i am not an expression??
jesus is god in the flesh, but i am not god in the flesh??
i don't have flesh??
i think you're making some weird shit up for your own devil agenda.

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I already told you he can answer your prayers.

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i already told you i can do that by myself


anyways this discussion is reaching an apex prof, and getting old.
you can't make any logical sense, and you can't hold yourself to your own laws you profess - the devil likes to do that

peace

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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

you don't know what proof is, prof.

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what proof ... that is proof its just not what you wanna hear.

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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

so i am made in the image of god, but i am not an expression??
jesus is god in the flesh, but i am not god in the flesh??
i don't have flesh??
i think you're making some weird shit up for your own devil agenda.

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yes you are made in the image of GOD but JESUS is GOD what dont you understand.....

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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

i already told you i can do that by myself

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so you can answer your own prayers ???

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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

anyways this discussion is reaching an apex prof, and getting old.
you can't make any logical sense, and you can't hold yourself to your own laws you profess - the devil likes to do that

peace

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yeah I agree we are just going round and round ...anyway its all good ...thanks for the debate.



peace be with you !

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Originally Posted by prof zooruka

well there where eye witnesses to Jesus`s existance to start with also jesus told us the bible is GOD`s word and to further illustrate that he proved it with the miracles he did and the way he conducted himself to show that GOD was with him so he`s testemony is reliable.

peace be with you !

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Was Jesus there to see the Bible and hold it as we do today?
Was God with him or IS he him.

How does Jesus doing miracles prove the Bible is God's word?

I saw Criss Angel walk on water, that must mean Sarah Palin wrote her own book.

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Originally Posted by Prince Rai

Was Jesus there to see the Bible and hold it as we do today?.

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yes he was there because he said what is written in the bible we have today.

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Originally Posted by Prince Rai

Was God with him or IS he him.

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both...

the father , the son and the holy spirit = GOD ALMIGHTY

but the father being the head of the trinity is GOD.


so GOD was with and and he is also GOD.


peace be with you !

While I am not religious at all, it is hillarious how much you guys want to hate on Proof for having faith in something.

I know from reading that ALL of you attacking him have your own personal spirituality. You all claim to "believe in" or in some cases "know" somthing, that no matter how much you bullshit, cannot technically be proven.

And then you bash proof for the same shit.

WHy is this? Is it because youre unhappy and unsure of things and can't stant to see anybody who thinks they have it figured out?

WHy does it bother people to see others have faith in something they do not?

If people believe in something that gives them comfort and helps them to lead a better life, without affecting the way your live yours, why would you want to tear that down?

And don't pretend it is some noble shit, because you know that isn't true.

Hypocrits.

its cuz proof is full of shit and he just cant understand it yet. thats why people are trying to point it out to him

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Originally Posted by TheOriginalAsiaticBlackDan

While I am not religious at all, it is hillarious how much you guys want to hate on Proof for having faith in something.

I know from reading that ALL of you attacking him have your own personal spirituality. You all claim to "believe in" or in some cases "know" somthing, that no matter how much you bullshit, cannot technically be proven.

And then you bash proof for the same shit.

WHy is this? Is it because youre unhappy and unsure of things and can't stant to see anybody who thinks they have it figured out?

WHy does it bother people to see others have faith in something they do not?

If people believe in something that gives them comfort and helps them to lead a better life, without affecting the way your live yours, why would you want to tear that down?

And don't pretend it is some noble shit, because you know that isn't true.

Hypocrits.

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Originally Posted by Ruka

Islam=Satan

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you get what you give I guess.

btw, you never got back to my post in that 9/11 thread :b

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Originally Posted by TheOriginalAsiaticBlackDan

While I am not religious at all, it is hillarious how much you guys want to hate on Proof for having faith in something.

I know from reading that ALL of you attacking him have your own personal spirituality. You all claim to "believe in" or in some cases "know" somthing, that no matter how much you bullshit, cannot technically be proven.

And then you bash proof for the same shit.

WHy is this? Is it because youre unhappy and unsure of things and can't stant to see anybody who thinks they have it figured out?

WHy does it bother people to see others have faith in something they do not?

If people believe in something that gives them comfort and helps them to lead a better life, without affecting the way your live yours, why would you want to tear that down?

And don't pretend it is some noble shit, because you know that isn't true.

Hypocrits.

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I don't have a problem with Zoo expressing faith, I just have a problem with the circular reasoning he uses to defend his faith.

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Originally Posted by TheOriginalAsiaticBlackDan

If people believe in something that gives them comfort and helps them to lead a better life, without affecting the way your live yours, why would you want to tear that down?

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debating people of other views gives me comfort and helps me to learn and live a better life, and I'm sure it's not affecting your life (scratch that - looks like it is)
why would you want to tear that down for me Danny boy?
hypocrites....

and yeah, why don't you say this about prof trying to tear down people's ways of life??
more hypocrisy

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btw, you never got back to my post in that 9/11 thread

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he never got back to falcon on the world conspiracy either
dan is good at receding from arguments he can't handle

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Originally Posted by Visionz

you get what you give I guess.

btw, you never got back to my post in that 9/11 thread :b

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I mean, I don't agree with telling someone their religion is Satan either...

And on 9/11 and Illuminati shit, I'm going to be honest with you, Visionz. I used to think you were a level-headed dude who shared a lot of the same views as I did, maybe leaning a little more towards the left, but still reasonable.

You kind of lost me on Illuminatti/NWO/9-11 type shit. I feel like there are some topics on which we can agree or disagree and still have a mutual respect and intelligent debate.

BUt the above are things that we drastically disagree on, and I don't feel like we will ever respect each other's views. I think you're crazy, and you think I'm completely blind and can't understand how I could be so naive and trusting.

The truth probably lies in between.

And Im not going to look for that 9/11 thread, but I know what you're talking about. people heard loud noises and great panic. Maybe these people aren't experts, and they heard loud noises they described as explosions?

And a building collapsing on itself is going to create sudden and volatile impactions(word?) throughout the building, that could easily displace a person.

Either way, I just don't think we'll ever come to terms on certain issues.

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Originally Posted by TheOriginalAsiaticBlackDan

I mean, I don't agree with telling someone their religion is Satan either...

And on 9/11 and Illuminati shit, I'm going to be honest with you, Visionz. I used to think you were a level-headed dude who shared a lot of the same views as I did, maybe leaning a little more towards the left, but still reasonable.

You kind of lost me on Illuminatti/NWO/9-11 type shit. I feel like there are some topics on which we can agree or disagree and still have a mutual respect and intelligent debate.

BUt the above are things that we drastically disagree on, and I don't feel like we will ever respect each other's views. I think you're crazy, and you think I'm completely blind and can't understand how I could be so naive and trusting.

The truth probably lies in between.

And Im not going to look for that 9/11 thread, but I know what you're talking about. people heard loud noises and great panic. Maybe these people aren't experts, and they heard loud noises they described as explosions?

And a building collapsing on itself is going to create sudden and volatile impactions(word?) throughout the building, that could easily displace a person.

Either way, I just don't think we'll ever come to terms on certain issues.

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This makes me think that you never watched the video of the eyewitness accounts. I'm talking about people running out the basement with their own skin hanging off of 'em. I'm talking about people getting blasted in elevators on the basement level. All before either of the buildings collapsed. Are we supposed to believe that the planes hit the 89th floor causes explosions that reached people in the basement?


But you said their were eyewitness accounts that contradicted what these people said. More than anything I would like you to present what you're referencing when you said that.

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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

debating people of other views gives me comfort and helps me to learn and live a better life, and I'm sure it's not affecting your life (scratch that - looks like it is)
why would you want to tear that down for me Danny boy?
hypocrites....

and yeah, why don't you say this about prof trying to tear down people's ways of life??
more hypocrisy

he never got back to falcon on the world conspiracy either
dan is good at receding from arguments he can't handle

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You're obsession with an alpha male is beginning to dominate your life. It is sad and creepy.

You are speaking completely out of emotion and hatred of someone superior to you, and your arguments have become completely personal and not logical.

However, as a public service, I will do my best to acknowledge your "points"

You are not trying to debate Proof to better yourself. You are trying to do it to tear down someone with whom you disagree. Neither one of you uses any kind of logic. You both believe in something which cannot fully be proven. Such is faith. You think you are impressing other KTL faggots, when really, you just make yourself look bad.

It's like punching a retard for not being good at math. When you yourself have down syndrome.

As far as Falcon, first, kindly remove his cock from betwixt your tiny, tiny lips.
Second, I explained his hypocrisy. He did not ask me to elaborate, you did, as your petty hatred and jealousy of my dominant genes and normal stature has you blinded.

It is the same as your hypocrisy: attacking someone for having faith in something, when you yourself half faith in something else.

Also, he was talking about the contradictions and picking and choosing that occur when interpreting the bible. He himself chooses certains aspects of Kemetism and interprets them positively, when in reality, we don't know what any of these ancient texts really means.

Then, he made the point that people can't judge kemtism or people today or even the ancient egyptians, for their practices or documents from years ago, and then indicted the jewish people, past and present, beause in an ancient text they referred to themselves as the chosen people.

Maybe it is time for you to get off my nuts and find a new hobby, Mumm? Maybe not.

Also, from your perspective, it probably isn't a great idea to randomly bring physical appearence into an argument, given your....unfortunate appearence.

Thank you, and good day.

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Originally Posted by Visionz

This makes me think that you never watched the video of the eyewitness accounts. I'm talking about people running out the basement with their own skin hanging off of 'em. I'm talking about people getting blasted in elevators on the basement level. All before either of the buildings collapsed. Are we supposed to believe that the planes hit the 89th floor causes explosions that reached people in the basement?


But you said their were eyewitness accounts that contradicted what these people said. More than anything I would like you to present what you're referencing when you said that.

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It is going to be difficult to find an eye-witness account that specifically says "There were no explosions".

That would be like someone, unprompted, saying "THere were no giant dinosaurs",

How about the vast majority of eye-witness accounts that mention nothing about explosions?