Prof, so if God created everything, then this must mean he created Satan.
if God loves us so much, why would he create something to tempt us to sin?
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Prof, so if God created everything, then this must mean he created Satan.
if God loves us so much, why would he create something to tempt us to sin?
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Originally Posted by Visionz
One should be wary of talking on end about such subjects as learning, morality or folklore in front of elders or people
of rank. It is disagreeable to listen to.
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Originally Posted by Bronze Feet
Yes God did create satan...satan according to sources and the bible was the best created thing that God made eg...In intellegencs, beauty and rank ect..., But he became blinded by his status and that lead to pride and so he wanted to kick God off the thrown and become God himself....but to answer your question God gave his creations free will and that means satan aswell, he didn`t create them to be mindless robots...and Satan and 1/3 of the angels that followed him chose to become wicked...The reason God allows this is becuse satan serves a purpose eg..testing a believers faith ect..... Also God allows him to roam free (but with limits) so he can prove to us and the angels that what satan is doing is ultimatly wrong...see if God got ride of satan and his followers instantly, the other angels and humans would think of God as a saddam hussain type figure, and if anyone disagree`s with him they are instantly dealt with...without showing them why they (satan) are wrong...and this would always in my opinion leave doubt about God and the beef, as to who was right...but by allowing satan to do his works, God can prove once and for all why choosing evil is wrong.
peace be with you !
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it's said that the angels DO NOT have free will - man does
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testing someones faith/ asking someone questions about their faith and not being pleased is not the work of satan - that is the work of thinking men and women who want to stand on facts - a belief can put a ceiling on your progress if you don't seek out the facts - putting a ceiling on your progress is the work of satan
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limited freedom huh
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god needs to prove to us that satan is wrong
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if god got rid of satan, wouldn't that rid us of all this evilness and destruction also - isn't satan the author of evilness and destruction or did god create that too ?
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i really wish that you would look at all of this from another angle - because there is ALOT of truth in all you're saying - it's just tainted with white supremacy and greek mythology -
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so if god gets rid of satan (someone humans cannot see), how would humans know that satan is gone and that god got rid of him ?
are you saying that humans would attack god for getting rid of satan ?
FOTGF ?
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Originally Posted by Slippy The Pimp
i don't understand
angels have free will to...thats why they could make the decision to rebel against God...but im not sure, but I have read that angels know instantly all sides of an argument at once, so therefore they know what they are doing and if this is true this would explain why God gives humans a second chance and not angels./... that doesn`t mean they know everything but they know the pro`s and con`s of there choices...Another thing is I think God in heaven never show`s off... and was just loving and satan and the other angels mistook that for weakness.Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
Also God didn`t create evil.... evil is created when there is a lack of good sort of like when night is created as there is a lack of light or cold is created when there is a lack of heat.
peace be with you !
who told you that ?Quote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
and didn't god see all of this coming before hand ?
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you are not sure - what would make you sure ?
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!sigh!
let's start from the beginning
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"
i read this many many times before - but right now it's telling me something that i haven't thought about before
God knows everything...so yes he did see it coming, but allowed it to happen..because like I said he gives free will...yes even to angels ( sorry sunny but the angels have free will otherwise satan and his angels wouldn`t have been allowed or couldn`t have rebeled against God like they did)....But yes God knows everything and for saw all these events and made the appropriate counter attack battle plans.Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
peace be with you !
where in the bible does it say that satan was an angel ?
thanks for your time
The first passage is about satan`s sin
“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Day Star, son of Dawn!
How you are cut down to the ground,
you who laid the nations low!
You said in your heart,
‘I will ascend to heaven;
above the stars of God
I will set my throne on high;
I will sit on the mount of assembly
in the far reaches of the north;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.’
But you are brought down to Sheol,
to the far reaches of the pit.
—Isaiah 14:12-15
the second is about who satan was before his sin
'You were the model of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
ruby, topaz and emerald,
chrysolite, onyx and jasper,
sapphire, [a] turquoise and beryl. [b]
Your settings and mountings [c] were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you. 16 Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, O guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
Actually satan was not an angel but a cherub ....cherub are the creature around God himself...and satan was the highest (the covering cherub) which means he covered the glory of God...making him the best created thing God made in rank , beauty, and intellegance.
peace be with you sunny
p.s see I did stay outta your thread.
peace be with you !
sunny that last passage about satan is a bad translation instead of saying gaurdian cherub....it should read like this:
"Therefore I have cast you as profane From the mountain of God. And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the stones of fire."
peace be with you !
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. During the last 300 years, at least 164 separate measurements of the speed of light have been published. Sixteen different measurement techniques were used. Astronomer Barry Setterfield has studied these measurements, especially their precision and experimental errors. 1 His results show that the speed of light has apparently decreased so rapidly that experimental error cannot explain it! In the seven instances where the same scientists measured the speed of light with the same equipment years later, a decrease was always reported. The decreases were often several times greater than the reported experimental errors. This author has conducted other analyses that weight (or give significance to) each measurement according to its accuracy. Even after considering the wide range of accuracies, it is hard to see how anyone can claim, with any statistical rigor, that the speed of light has remained constant.
peace be with you !
this is where you show and prove your own inability to think for yourself (insomuch as actually applying the knowledge of what you are given)Quote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
If light does SLOW down as what you posted suggest this only means it has taken even longer to get here than originally persumed and is even older. This information does nothing to disprove that the earth was not the first thing ever created in the universe, it in fact does the opposite.
600 years ago you wouldve been the guy wanting to burn Galileo on a stake. Science helps to explain the wonders of God's work and the fundamentaly religious do all they can to deny it.