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The production for the most part is pretty good. What you would expect a Holocaust album to sound like, with a few exceptions. The Sign of Hells Winter album is the winner between the two. I wanna hear more shit like "The Arts of War" and "A Fine Graveyard". One of my biggest complaints is how he fucked up "You all Shal Surely Die". Such a perfect beat for him to play with and his slurring ruined it.
In my opinion his best work to date is what he did with BSBD, that album is crazy and the production helps alot, nitemares and smugglin are also good tho.
I thought about bringing this point to bare but I cant be bothered anymore, lolQuote:
Originally Posted by whers
If cats dont dig the HardCore Click than its just their loss, its all good tho
THIS MAKES U A FAGGiTQuote:
Originally Posted by NAH001
two last LP on CD @ UGHH:
The Signs Of Hells Winter
In The End Thereof... Are The Ways Of Death
I'm good off that incoherent Warcloud. I'd rather have that Holo style or that Smugglin style. This current one makes no sense at all and I have a feeling it's just cause he went nuts. It's pretty much a lost cause. I've been waiting like 2/3 years for some type of progress and haven't seen a bit...
thanks for posting this, i was just about to give up the physicals and break down and by the mp3sQuote:
Originally Posted by FeLo
He usually does tracks with artists but never let's em hear the final product and drop it years later..I believe a lot of such work was lost in a flood in his basement years agoQuote:
Originally Posted by liquidswordchamber36
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...--1992-001.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by COLUMBIANA
I'm right there with you. Look I understand from the artists perspective, he can do whatever the fuck he wants. But it's an undeniable fact that his Holo style was un-fuck-wittable AND it was clear, straight fire. Nobody was fucking with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dad
Again, it's cool to experiment, but he makes absolutely no sense, he doesn't rhyme on beat, there's nothing that's appealing to me anymore. He went from "the bloody old man from LA" to the fuckin' drugstore cowboy. Worst of all i'm still waiting too man, hopeful that he'll return to the style that made him who he is.
He was certified Wu-Tang product, the highest of Hip-Hop honors. And while he always will be, i'm not feeling it the same as i used to either. For now, I wait.
I just copped dat Robot Tank album off iTunes yesterday and had a listen. It's interesting.. good and atmospheric. When i finished listening to it, it was 11:11pm and that was good because i've never noticed this phenomenon twice in 1 day (both at 11:11am and then at night time 11:11pm) so good sign right?
What's interesting is that recently i became a fan of this Moby track, We Are All Made of Stars (video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbfhSHVm2Fc)
where he's wearing a space suit and i watched it regularly and was fascinated by it for some reason.
It reminds me of this nuclear waste suit he's wearing and funnily enough it also reminds me of my old groups album cover, i think Ahmed has it actually and it is me wearing an orange rubber band, a cape and a plastic bag over my head (don't ask)
So is this another strange coincidence between me and Holocaust like the original one which was Synchronicity and meant that me and Holocaust came up with literally the same rap name using different creative means. I had Frank the Lyrical Tank who was a Robot because he spoke in the Rahzel Robot Voice saying "Call Me Frank" and my frank was from the Lyrical Dimension and was literally made up of lyrics and after i came up with that i read about Holocaust's Frank the Robot Tank.. So that's synchronicity and is one of my many magical powers i have in my arsenal. Yes real schizophrenics have magical powers that doctors simply ignore because they're too left brained.
Thanks nigga
Thanks for the info man but WTF! how many floods has RZA had, lmao its ridiculous .Quote:
Originally Posted by RADIOACTIVE MAN
Not feeling this guys flowQuote:
Originally Posted by whers
Just see too many leeches around Holo not letting him do solo work but want to hop on every track with him
Will say his work with bomshot is dope as its mostly solo Holo and the beats are fire
It's time to meet your assassins, Holocaust.
Robot Tank Album Cover:
http://s11.postimage.org/3y0ep8lw3/robot_tank.jpg
Do you guys think i look like Robot Tank? (I'm the one on the left)
http://s9.postimage.org/j761p674f/IM...lbum_Cover.jpg
Also this came out before Iron Flag (i think) and before that Rza song Thirsty
and what i'm getting at is on Iron Flag, Track 12 is Radioactive (Four Assassins)
so before the robot tank cover i was wearing my strange sort of anti-nuclear suit (radioactive suit) and it was for the group Assassin 4 which came out before Four Assassins and also it was our single called The Thirst which also came out before rza's Thirsty. Coincidence? :)
also left-brained scientists like gza won't understand this because it doesn't make sense and they need everything to be logical, but you have to also keep in mind that my imaginary friend or being from another dimension, La-Cinderella also put a face on my wall that looks like the original Smugglin' Booze album cover and also the strange Frank the Lyrical Tank : Frank the Robot Tank name connection.
Yes! my psychic attack on Holocaust begins..
writing rhymes till my pencil splinters and paper cracks
latest facts Wu-Tang Killa Bees engulf the globe
pictures tookin by a Russian space probe
we chase gold escape hold of a hidden reality, mind shapin
to update the future ya face and ya spines breakin
earthquakin breath takin amazing stabbin Saten brain invasion
by my gaseous thought expand the nation still waitin
for my chariots UFO's and prophets can't stop it
couldn't master the logic you uncouncious
echoes in my mind we shine and spark rally's
I'm gritty like crippled stray dogs in dark alleys
i was hoping they would feed him meds consistently so he can get his mind back to writing shit like that...but i guess beggars cant be choosyQuote:
Originally Posted by liquidswordchamber36
armed with jagged stone axe RETALIATION
Ruin stupid mcs, unfinished synopsis
Attack your metropolis riding triceratops's
Obnoxious, volcanic monster mount up and slither
I'll smack you like a bear swats a salmon out of a river
Shiver from the touch of frost, slip deeply into a coma
Then I crack your partners head with a bottle of a corona
Hold a pool stick steady while at billiards you fold
Im intimately familiar with cold silver and gold
Slow show something lethal earths like resident evil
Knock your 20/20 vision to zero negative zero
While these people of the mist bear children of twilight
Rhymes move, faster than flash ran, or time flight
My minds spike like sea urchins, serpents now get impaled
Cross an nails, cause the greatest revenge was my betrayal
man somebody NEEDS to get RZA to release that old Holocaust material now! how can I contact him? im serious haha I gotta talk some sense into him lol
LOL FINALLY YOU GUYS ARE FACING REALITYQuote:
Originally Posted by dad
YESSSQuote:
Originally Posted by liquidswordchamber36
RiP HOLOQuote:
Originally Posted by The Ocean
YESS THE GOD HOLO CAUST, WHO BREAKS YOUR HOMIES HEAD WIT A BOTTLE OF A CORONA AND HIS SPINE IS TWO SNAKES INTERTWINED , FUCK THESE ROBOT TANK FANS WHO DONT UNDERSTAND WHATS A DOPE HIP HOP VERSE!!Quote:
Originally Posted by liquidswordchamber36
Word up Columbiana! The old Holocaust style was some of the illest shit I ever heard! and even some of that Warcloud stuff was pretty craz but Robot Tank is straight up complete trash.
Ive been told that Holo was doper before he got with the WU, to bad noone has the street tapes he put out back then
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...f-god-meme.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by LoTec
Just think if Rza would have went right into production of an album with him back in 97 that shit would have been amazing like an Illmatic type prodigous album
Holocaust confirmed in a interview that RZA started making him beats for an original solo album back in 97/98.
he never gave a date, what he was refering to was probly Escapism which was later on. Im talkin about really puting energy and vision into a project by the young Holocaust, but alas timing was not right for this to happen, with everything that was going on with Wu-Forever, Wu was at their height and Rza was coming out of the basement.
Word an album in his younger days would have been insane especially if RZA had been really involved. Holocaust's freestye on visonz was so sick I wish that had actually featured him on the track and whats Escapism? isnt that just a Warcloud track?
Escapism was the title of the album that Holo was working on with Rza, this is pure speculation but Bluntz Martinez Girlz and Gunz may have been a product of those sessions.
LoTec, do you think it's possible to set up a Holocaust interview here with WuTang Corp just as they did with BSBD? You seem to be the authority on Holocausts whereabouts, maybe there's a way to make it happen? Who knows, it could even inspire him to know he's still got a large following of fans anxious to support and hear updates.
So RZA was working on a warcloud album too bad it was never finished I would have purchased it in a heart beat. But apparently back in Holo's silkworm days he recorded 2 albums worth of songs with RZA and those are probably the tracks he recorded with the generals...my god I need to hear those tracks! and that would be awesome if we could get a new warcloud interview we need to get more info out of the dude.
He should've bowed down to the God 9th Prince. For that costly mistake all his material (That is worth buying cause he has NONE) will never see the light of day.
Say what you want about Warcloud, but he put in more work than most of these other so called "elite" Killer Beez. What's wack to you is pure artistic genius to me. I wouldn't have it any other way.
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Creepshow show me one good Robot Tank song and I will change my mind on his wackness but too be honest he hasnt dropped a good verse in years. The original Holocaust style & some of the early Warcloud material is where he peaked his brilliance. Alcatraz is wack and Robot Tank pure crackhead gibberish.
This is the best Robot Tank style track, and it's dope. It's one of the rare ones. And I don't even think it's his track.Quote:
Originally Posted by liquidswordchamber36
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYyPnGjKZWo
Im just a long time fan, last month actually marks 10 years ago that I got Nightmares and Smugglin from Krow and Levi. I really dont know anything about his whereabouts, I just read things on FB and what not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wutangzombie
As for an interview probly a long shot but you never know he did do that video interview with Nova-Kane a couple years ago. I'll shoot Nova or Pro a message sometime and see what they think.
Ain't no one bowing before 9th Prince....Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollow Dartz
Let alone the guy that slayed his entire crew....twice.
"Hefty....1 Arm Bandit - Stab Companions !!!!
With Intricate Sentences Battle Crews Single Handed"
It's actually for our own good Hollow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollow Dartz
"Mankind Will Decline By Thousands When I Rhyme....HOLOCAUST !!!!"
Even you should have a copy of BSBD Debut, possibly his best work - polished album.
I thought "Escapism" was early Architect material ?Quote:
Originally Posted by LoTec
Having "Midnight In The Garden Of Good" on there ?
And "Bluntz Martinez Girlz & Gunz" was a solo Holo track on The Black Knights LP ?
Not 100% though ?
That "crackhead gibberish" is in the same vein as The Architect track you questioned :Quote:
Originally Posted by liquidswordchamber36
"Midnight In The Garden Of Good" you even said it was perhaps his best work ?
Bar the "Dark City Chooser/One Standard Lesson/Roller Coaster Tycoon" track.
Here lies the problem :
As Holocaust/Silkworm you'd be hard pushed to find anyone that can spit on his level
You're problem is you cannot detach yourself from that style....
Which I belive wasn't even his "Original Style" it's almost so he can join in with the rest
A bit like Inspectah Deck he seriously shines when surronded by other Emcees
But on a solo tip, he can't bring that energy in the same form, at least to me anyway.
Alcatraz is strange, like the Mr. Hyde of Warcloud to me....
Dude made "The Jigsaw_Puzzle" in that style
Craziness personified, far from serious with that weird voice
Almost like the ying to Holocaust's yang :
But he blacks the fuck out here under the same name :
That is clearly not your average Rap song....
As for The Robot Tank :
I can't find the solo full version of this track on youtube
But still, you're telling me someone who drops Silkoworm verses when he's a teenager
To someone who creates an incredible tapestry of wonder & freedom like on this ?
Your saying he peaked way back, then thats up to you.
I'm saying I agree with you in terms of Hip-Hop - and what people expect
And think they know what to expect from it.
All Holocaust/Silkworm verses will crucify your favourite rapper.
Spat by a teenager wanting to show he can rhyme like the rest of them, but way better.
Beat you at your own game so to speak.
Where as The Tank material is completly beyond what anyone is doing.
~
Check my sig for example :
"I Am The Robot Tank The Sheriff Deputises
And We Met....In A Town To Look For Me"
Just becuase there is food on the table you don't like....
It is there, none the less.
I bumped the fuck out of that Tragedy Khadafi track on the Snowgoons Album
He sounds the same on every track I've ever heard, dude is a legend.
Same as GZA, I'm saying it would seem strange if they were any different
But Holo's always been a few entities : Architect, Warcloud, Holocaust.
Along with everything else that follows
I've always said he was way to advanced to be your run of the mill rapper
Seems I was right, as dude himself mentioned "An Instrument of Emcees"
I'm just saying If I hated him and thought he was completly wack (?)
I'd still tip my hat to him for bringing such an array of madeness.
Let him spread his wings you know ?
Apologies for the long haul....
Yo wutangzombie that Robot Tank track wasnt too bad aslong as you dont compare to his older material and the beat was nice too. Whers! Midnight in the Garden of Good & One Standard Lesson are easily his nicest solo work but I find it no where near similar to Robot Tank. Your right about myself not being able to detach from his silkworm style but thats only because its the greatest style ive ever heard and it leaves me fiending for more I would give my left nut for him to return to that style. Inspectah Deck is my fave emcee of all time but your correct about him having trouble carrying an album although I find his debut album harshly underated. Im not really feeling those first 2 links you posted and I disliked his blue sky and death album but I enjoyed his first 2 Warcloud albums. The Robot Tank track you posted honestly wasnt that bad especially compared to some of the other Robot Tank stuff I have heard but I would like to listen to the song more to let it settle in then I can decide if I like it or not. Back to his original style Lotec said before he was with the Wu he was better and dropped crazy demos (need to hear that shit!) so I think silkworm could have been his original style but perhaps not .I would probably be able to appreciate his creativity and crazyness more if it just wasnt for how great his debut tracks were!. Thanks for the response Whers and I would also like to apologize for the length of this haha.
Are you done yet? Anyways, the point I was making is that Rza is probably not releasing his original recordings because of Holocaust beating 9th Prince's ass. I don't need long essays about Holocaust. And NO Holocaust/Silkworm rhymes aren't blowing out my favorite rappers Rhymes. I heard the BSBD lp, meh ("Crash" was cool). I do respect him for branching out and not staying in the box, but it's not as good. And ultimately each new style has gotten wacker and wacker. From what I'm hearing now it's a wrap.. He has his core fan base of 300 fans, I'll let him be lolQuote:
Originally Posted by whers
Ive never heard of Bluntz being a solo for Every Knight is a Black Knight, which could be possible I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by whers
Escapism was reported way back on the DSC site as being the title for Holo's solo album produced by Rza. They also reported that Holo changed his name to Warcloud and talked about early North Star songs like Tell Mary and another one which turned out to be true.
This was in like 1999-2001 mind you so I might be getting things confussed.
Yeah I'm done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollow Dartz
The length & direction of my words were not aimed at you.
I only say that due to the timeframe and he says Black Knights repeatedly at the beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoTec
But I could have sworn "Midnight In The Garden Of Good" was on that album though ?
Or that it is most likely his first ever recording ?
Which is scary.