I really need to get those Ashra Kwesi DVDs.
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I really need to get those Ashra Kwesi DVDs.
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Originally Posted by Bis Fan
I can't watch the videos yet....but like I said before we know that Tamo was Indian, possibly dravidian...and all Chinese arts seem to have stemmed from his original 18 movements.
But in all fairness, most of the martial arts these days are Asian, and they are pretty far removed from the original exercises....therefore in general the martial arts are largely Asian...no matter their origins. I don't feel asians have contributed much, but they get a fair bit of credit for the fighting arts (which they probably advanced so far due to their comparative lack of technology).
^Little research is trully done and broadly published to those regards.
What you are saying is true with their medicine as well. Research ancient African medicine and you will see striking resemblances between the two. Really research the first two dynasties of China and you may be surprised. Ancient sea faring was underway from the east coast of Africa to Australia. You'll find Medu (glyphs) of ancient KMT (Egyptian) kings ship wrecked on Aussie walls. We only study the popular stuff. Few people dig within the weeds and try to change the incorrect norms.
Asian people were isolated for certain periods of time and had the time and elements desirable to cultivate the arts that migrated there. I'm thankful, cause when Africa was being colonized and molested Asia (as well as other lands held her secrets intact).
I try to give credit where it's due. Certain people did establish and cultivate certain arts but which people jumped it all off?
This is interesting.
I read somewhere, about a year ago, that the concept of "animal style" martial arts came from Africa and the practitioner was to merge his or her spirit with that of the animal that he or she was mimicking.
It's no mystery that Africa and Asia have a lot in common in terms of tradtions and history. Weren't the original Asians African pygmies too?
On a very old tapestry in the Shaolin Temple, there's a depiction of the ancient monks practicing in the courtyard. Some have very pale skin and others mave much darker skin. Milk chocolate brown in complection, with eyes a bit wider than those with paler skin.
Though Tamo was Indian, even today, you're hard-pressed to find a very light-skinned person from India.
Never the less, Subtle made a good point, because after Tamo passed, the monks made great efforts in advancing Shaolin Kung-Fu and making it the most well-rounded martial arts system in the world. Not just in terms of combat, but also internal health, and magnificent physical strength. Even they didn't frown upon styles that didn't come from them.
It's said that Northern Kung-Fu was born when the monks took he most effective and deadly skills from every style that was available to them and began to form thier own system based on that.
Interestingly accurate accessment of the situation. Thanks.
Looks like some broke ass samarai to me...LOL.
But seriously, I'm always skeptical of any person, regardless of culture, who is always on a mission to prove this came from that or that came from this.
Who is to say were the 'punch' or 'kick' originated, and what person was first responsible for attempting to create a fighting style.
^Are you in school? If so, with that attitude maybe you need to reconsider that endeavor. I won't even waste my brain cells to answer that post any further.
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Originally Posted by blackwisdom
Why? because it challenges what you said? It seems to me that if someone disagrees with what you say, you have that attitude. I am a history major, and believe me, I am as open to things and histories as anyone, but I don't believe any BS that is thrown at me. Now I'd have to research this further to have an educated opinion on it, but like I said before, if your just trying to prove who did what first, and that the origins of martial arts is kemetic, than you can break it further down that that......
And we really do not know much on really ancient history, we are finding new stuff out every day.
Are you in school? What I'm saying is, if your mission is to prove that everything originated from North Africa, i.e. north of the Sahara desert, the semitic peoples, than you are no different than someone who wants to say that Aryans are a master race.
According to my research humanity sprang from the interior of Africa, not the north. I've come to the conclusion that I need not argue with people over information. I allow the information to speak for itself. Is not the purpose for research and scholarship to come to a conclusive understanding of some aim? If it is so, then aren't we to come to the conclusion of origins are necessary in order to better understand and deal with information and things. If Africans were first to systematically throw a punch, develop grappling techniques, and armed warfare, how is that so hard to grasp. It can be proven that they were first to develop writing and mathmatics. One of the biggest purposes to spread this knowledge is to inspire further critical research on the subject. No one can display a few paintings and prove conclusively a scientific point, but I've seen lectures where this information was explained indepth. I invite you to research it further and share your findings, regardless of the outcome. That's how we grow and learn.
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I'm not in school as we speak. I'm registering for next semester. I don't see the validity in your statement. I'm co-signing the video by stating that the martial arts originate in Africa. I'm not saying that Africans are a master race. Science currently proves that the first humans on planet Earth originate from Black Africa. I leave it at that. I don't see how that's the same as saying that all other races must be eliminated cause they're un-pure.
Thats fine. I am about seeking truth and fact. Your 26? Im the same age. You better get to school now before you put it off too long. I wish I hadn't wasted ages 18-23....but oh well, I had to find what I really wanted to do.
If all of my credits correlated enough I probably could apply for an Associates. I just need to know what status I'm going to be in so I can apply for TA correctly in order to register again. I think I'ma go ahead and get my Bachelors in Business Management and Masters in the same. I want to do other things but my counselors feel that this will be best for my long term goals. Martial Arts has something to do with my long term goals. I've always been interested in them and I'm a student, so I plan to build a career around my arts. I'm a constant student.
I agree with you Black Wisdom...and I have looked into alot of less popular sources.
However, I still think for a peacful, long (very long) established society the Chinese gave us very little. I mean you get the lists of stuff....gunpowder, tooth brushes etc....but honestly...so what?
Western Civilisation right now is the most advanced (technologically and intellectually at least - they may fuck up majorly on wisdom etc). ALSO I recognize alot of the science and thought we have is NOT western in origin. Maths, Science, Astronomy, Religion very much so (even though most western dogma subscribers will deny this till blue in the face) have all been developed largely by Arabs and North Africans.
However, what in the pinacle of human development has its origins in China? Martial arts, maybe paper and a tooth brush...even to this day the martial arts SEVERELY lack the rational approach needed (and I say this is true of the I ching, which is not chinese in its very origin but was developed by them and eventually into a bunch of hocus pocus) because it was kept in the hands of the chinese. I mean look at the extremely unrational views on Chi as a large example...also little biological knowledge has been applied to training techniques which may well have improved them dramatically.
The mind set Asians is different to westerners. They are less creative (this isn't my racist stereotype...there are text books on it). They tend alot more to identify with the society as a whole. In a book with the Dalai Lama and some scientists who did research they found alot of differences even with asians raised in western societies and even if raised by non-asian parents (adopted). They asked western youths who they were and they listed off integral qualities they thought they possessed eg. I am strong, I am emotional, I am kind etc. When they asked the same questions to asians they said much more external measures of who they were eg. I play tennis, I am such and suches kid, I am such and suches brother, I study this or that. They also found they express their emotions less and typically have lower self-esteem.
Maybe this is due to some form of extreme right-mindedness, it would explain the technological stagnation and the lack of methodical approach. The same way, I believe westerns are generally too left-minded.
If you believe metu neter then people with african blood have the best balance between left and right hemispheres. I think it is probably true. Hence the development of religion, science, maths etc....the intuitive used properly and guided by the intellect.
Of course these would all be correlations not hard and fast rules.
Also Africans have more of those sexual hormones (usually). I think the sex energy of a person definitely contributes to their over all creativity and energy levels. Asians have the least...and I wouldn't be the first person to think black people are charismatic and asians overly introverted.
Well there is my racial rant on creativity and culture lol :)