Wealth

Wealth



noun: the quality of profuse abundance

Example: "She has a wealth of talent"

noun: property that has economic utility: a monetary value or an exchange value
noun: an abundance of material possessions and resources
noun: the state of being rich and affluent; having a plentiful supply of material goods and money


I think we got shit all twisted, myself included.

We define wealth as having alot of bullshit material things.

But in some cultures, wealth isn't defined by "an abundance of material possessions and resources"

In ancient Japan, wealth was defined by how much rice you had.

In native cultures, wealth was defined by how much you could give away.

We need to look at how we define wealth, before we can claim who is impoverished.

Everthying you "own" can be lost in a single moment.

So than what do you really own?

And how does that tie into your definition of wealth?

wealth is defined by how much bottled beer I have in my mini fridge next to me

And when your refridgerator is empty?

What if you can't pay your electric bill, and the beer gets warm? Are you still wealthy?

I like Robert Kiyosaki's definition of wealth. He defines it as how long you could live without working. Therefore it is a measure of time.

Eg. My wealth right now is like 12 hours lol.

His view is that you need to set up sources of passive income.

I agree money isn't everything. But there is a Jewish saying "it isn't that having money is so good, it's that not having it is so bad."

Also, I think we should be free to work on things we care about in life.

Also, we all rally around hip hop coz we were (mostly) poor. And I doubt many of us here can deny that has left us with our issues.

I would like to obtain wealth without losing the valuable perspectives of poverty.

We should all aim to better ourselves in ALL ways. Including financially. However, keep the priorities right. Don't sell out mentally, spiritually etc for the dollar.

I will be back in this thread, I want to build on wealth creation as it is a big interest of mine...Hope other people in here want to build.

This year I drew up a budget on New Year's Eve. I had about $2500 worth of debt. Despite being a student on welfare that debt should be paid off in about four weeks :)

We need to be smarter and know the laws of money.

I define wealth on how much love I can give my family myself. I mean what's the point if you have all this material shit and your miserable? My house is cluttered with junk, but wiffee seems to think it's what she needs to be happy.

wealth is family to me. My family can enrich my life everyday.

Then we are some of the richest men in the world






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You are wealthy if you dont worry about having the things you need. Money certainly ties in more often than not. I have health,dental,and vision insurance. I would factor that in. I have temporary disability at work. I'd factor that in too. I might only make $30,000 dollars a year, but these things make me feel more secure, and "wealthy" I guess there are a lot of ways to view "wealth" I have no children yet, and i'm only close to my sister, and one of my aunts. I hat my father, and my mother has been gone since 2001, so maybe i'm not so "wealthy" in some aspects of life. Hmmmmm........

This thread will make you think, u know?

wealth is bullshit. we dont need anything but enough to survive. before all this bullshit we live in now humans just roamed the lands. it was just staying alive. everything else is just made up.

"But in some cultures, wealth isn't defined by "an abundance of material possessions and resources"

In ancient Japan, wealth was defined by how much rice you had."

rice is material, and it is a possesion and it is a resource.

but aside from that i agree with what your saying... wealth is just a reflection of your culture though.

material possessions and monetary wealth arent enherently bad in my opinion, they just need to be handled with balance.

I agree with Sean Michael.

I think the whole "wealth is bullshit" and "family is what matters" is a cop out for people too scared, weak, lazy etc.

Don't get me wrong! I definitely put family, my free time, quality of life above money!! But the stupid assumption in the above attitude is that it assumes you can't have both. Infact wealth should, if treated right, increase quality of life, add to the happiness of a good family etc.

Provided the priorities are right things will go well.

Also, how many people that take this defence play the lottery, complain aboutthe cost of living? How many would walk away from a big bag of money or a lotto win?

The misconception here is that wanting money is selfish. Having money is one way you can actually help people, at least relatives and friends....and if you got enough who knows....all I know is I am not overly happy with how the people who have money use it so give me half a chance and I am gonna grab some.

Selfish is not being able to even support yourself, and not meeting responsibilities. Not being able to provide everything your kids need simply coz of your lack of effort. Sitting on your ass all day complaining aboutthe world and never doing anything to change it.

BTW the family stuff etc wasn't a shot at you guys in the thread here....I just meant people who use anything like that to totally negate the material world.

no doubt. i see what your saying. but i feel like too many people start to get wealth, and just want more and more, and it becomes unhealthy. people start to ignore there kids and work tons of hours, when they already live nice, just to have more money, and they just put there kids on ridiline and shit, but in reality they just want their parents attention.

^true indeed, its about balancing it all out. You're gonna have to work hard to get somewhere in this life (unless you're born with wealth) but it shouldn't be at the sacrifice for what's most important in life, namely family and good friends.

Definitely. But also bear in mind alot of people who are poor become bitter and waste their lives chasing money. You don't have ot be rich to be attached to money.

im investing in a generator so the fridge cant get warm.

no doubt but what really matters to us all is family right? whether it be friends we consider family or our blood. Family times bonding get-togethers BBQ's have an affect. This is when I'm really happy during these times. Watching family grow having intellectual conversations Politicking with fam. This too me is wealth in its purest form. Nothing can make you happier than to see your family achieve something they worked hard for. And the flip side to this is nothing can hurt more deeply than seeing a beloved friend or family member pass on. Money is everywhere family is in the heart.

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Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies

I agree with Sean Michael.

I think the whole "wealth is bullshit" and "family is what matters" is a cop out for people too scared, weak, lazy etc.

Don't get me wrong! I definitely put family, my free time, quality of life above money!! But the stupid assumption in the above attitude is that it assumes you can't have both. Infact wealth should, if treated right, increase quality of life, add to the happiness of a good family etc.

Provided the priorities are right things will go well.

Also, how many people that take this defence play the lottery, complain aboutthe cost of living? How many would walk away from a big bag of money or a lotto win?

The misconception here is that wanting money is selfish. Having money is one way you can actually help people, at least relatives and friends....and if you got enough who knows....all I know is I am not overly happy with how the people who have money use it so give me half a chance and I am gonna grab some.

Selfish is not being able to even support yourself, and not meeting responsibilities. Not being able to provide everything your kids need simply coz of your lack of effort. Sitting on your ass all day complaining aboutthe world and never doing anything to change it.

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So, your saying if someone loves and takes care of his family, then they are scared lazy and weak?

How are you correlating love with weakness?

Your desire to want money is not selfish. Your desire to hoard money is.

^ I do not know how the hell you managed to get that out of that post!

I made it very clear that is NOT what I meant at all. Did you read the whole post?

"Don't get me wrong! I definitely put family, my free time, quality of life above money!! But the stupid assumption in the above attitude is that it assumes you can't have both. Infact wealth should, if treated right, increase quality of life, add to the happiness of a good family etc."

Why can't providing a high standard of living be a part of looking after the family you love and care for? Why are people in this society so in this mentality that materialism and virtue are mutually exclusive?

I don't know how YOU correlated love and weakness...but my post didn't. What I said is that it is weakness to never try and lift your standard of living and hide behind excuses such as "Money isn't really important", "family is what counts" (as I explained why should a person assume the two some how impose on the rights of each other?) etc.


It's my opinion that all of us should strive to be EVERYTHING we can be in ALL aspects of life. Why do you need to be dead broke to be virtuous? Why are you seen as evil if you have money?

Like I also said, priorities must be kept right. I personally don't think wealth is worth dedicated 40 hours a week to...there are other more important things to do with my time. But also, having alot of wealth can free up time too.

Not everyone has to want money...but like I said - few people would walk away from it (no matter how much they hide behind the idea that money doesn't matter). And I don't think anyone should let the pursuit of material things impact negatively on family life. I also don't think it is impossible to be smart with money, be well of and have a great family, spiritual, intellectual and physical life.

Actually I think ALL of these areas can be made better when money problems are absent.

Also to me it's all about cash Rules Everything Around Me....I see it as, the more cash I have the more I can influence society. If I am selfish and horde away useless money - that's my wasted life I guess.

Not that I can feed Africa...but who knows where things could go...help some kids get an education, start a school, start youth groups, help get some medicine or something...or at the very least have all the resources I need to develop myself and my seeds.

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Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies

^ I do not know how the hell you managed to get that out of that post!

I made it very clear that is NOT what I meant at all. Did you read the whole post?

"Don't get me wrong! I definitely put family, my free time, quality of life above money!! But the stupid assumption in the above attitude is that it assumes you can't have both. Infact wealth should, if treated right, increase quality of life, add to the happiness of a good family etc."

Why can't providing a high standard of living be a part of looking after the family you love and care for? Why are people in this society so in this mentality that materialism and virtue are mutually exclusive?

I don't know how YOU correlated love and weakness...but my post didn't. What I said is that it is weakness to never try and lift your standard of living and hide behind excuses such as "Money isn't really important", "family is what counts" (as I explained why should a person assume the two some how impose on the rights of each other?) etc.


It's my opinion that all of us should strive to be EVERYTHING we can be in ALL aspects of life. Why do you need to be dead broke to be virtuous? Why are you seen as evil if you have money?

Like I also said, priorities must be kept right. I personally don't think wealth is worth dedicated 40 hours a week to...there are other more important things to do with my time. But also, having alot of wealth can free up time too.

Not everyone has to want money...but like I said - few people would walk away from it (no matter how much they hide behind the idea that money doesn't matter). And I don't think anyone should let the pursuit of material things impact negatively on family life. I also don't think it is impossible to be smart with money, be well of and have a great family, spiritual, intellectual and physical life.

Actually I think ALL of these areas can be made better when money problems are absent.

Also to me it's all about cash Rules Everything Around Me....I see it as, the more cash I have the more I can influence society. If I am selfish and horde away useless money - that's my wasted life I guess.

Not that I can feed Africa...but who knows where things could go...help some kids get an education, start a school, start youth groups, help get some medicine or something...or at the very least have all the resources I need to develop myself and my seeds.

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But your making the assumption that if a person puts fam before money, they're lazy and don't want to work.

I'm saying if you love your family more than anything, then you will do the best you can to provide for them.

WHERE did I say that???!?!???!?!

-I SPECIFICALLY SAID FAMILY COMES BEFORE MONEY (as well as a few other things)
- I SPECIFICALLY SAID IT IS IMPORTANT THAT FAMILY IS ALWAYS THE PRIORITY
- I SPECIFICALLY SAID CHASING MONEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE A NEGATIVE INFLUENCE ON FAMILY LIFE
- I ALSO SAID I DON'T THINK MONEY IS EVEN WORTH 40 HOURS A WEEK OUT OF OUR LIVES

SO HOW DID I SAY PUTTING FAMILY FIRST BEFORE MONEY MAKES A PERSON WEAK? :\


Personally, I don't think money should even come before a person's interests and hobbies! We only live once. Family is even more a priority than these!

Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/ima...s/viewpost.gif
I agree with Sean Michael.

I think the whole "wealth is bullshit" and "family is what matters" is a cop out for people too scared, weak, lazy etc.

Yeah? And? The rest of the post explained what I meant.....with numerous clarifications as I just mentioned above.

That was the first sentence of the post...the entire remainder of the post clarified exactly what I meant by it.

Geez...

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Yeah? And? The rest of the post explained what I meant.....with numerous clarifications as I just mentioned above.

That was the first sentence of the post...the entire remainder of the post clarified exactly what I meant by it.

Geez...

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Just trying to clear it up a bit. Your first statement was pretty clear. But no need to get upset right?

Also, explain to me why "family is what matters" has to equate with not having money?

If someone thinks they can't do both it likely is a cop out to renounce responsibility on one.

I thought I cleared it up....

I am upset when I make a post clearly saying one thing and then it is said I was saying the opposite....maybe I should be worried...

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Also, explain to me why "family is what matters" has to equate with not having money?

If someone thinks they can't do both it likely is a cop out to renounce responsibility on one.

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In never siad it does. You made that assumption on your own.

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Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies

I thought I cleared it up....

I am upset when I make a post clearly saying one thing and then it is said I was saying the opposite....maybe I should be worried...

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But it didn't say the opposite, you siad what you siad. I'm trying to figure out what you mean.

LMAO You made the assumption when you tried to equate me saying it was a cop out with meaning that love is weakness.

YES it did say the opposite. I pointed out the MANY points I made putting family as a priority over money!

Now if I say family should be put before money, how can a person logically conclude that I am saying loving your family is a weakness, simply because I don't think loving your family is in itself a reason to be broke?

Slippy.....it's ok if you are a broke motherfucker who is too lazy to wipe the chocolate off his daughters face ;) Just don't say the love will go if you had money.

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LMAO You made the assumption when you tried to equate me saying it was a cop out with meaning that love is weakness.

YES it did say the opposite. I pointed out the MANY points I made putting family as a priority over money!

Now if I say family should be put before money, how can a person logically conclude that I am saying loving your family is a weakness, simply because I don't think loving your family is in itself a reason to be broke?

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I didn't make any assumptions you siad:

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I think the whole "wealth is bullshit" and "family is what matters" is a cop out for people too scared, weak, lazy etc.

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Like I said no reason to get upset, we're just clearing the air.........

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Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies

Slippy.....it's ok if you are a broke motherfucker who is too lazy to wipe the chocolate off his daughters face ;) Just don't say the love will go if you had money.

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The thread is not about my income. My salary doesn't have anything to do with lazyness or taking pictures of my daughter because she just got done eating choclate cake.

Haha I was only joking around about your income.


And yes I DID say that....but it was in a context where it was explained, because I know how it could come accross if I left it at that.

Also, just another thing I would like make clear (not related to anything slippy said)...when those phrases are used as cop outs they often aren't meant. Eg. A person might say "money doesn't matter" while they are stingy and always complain of being broke.