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is this gonna benefit anyone?
click play, find out for yourself.
do you all believe in supernatural beings?
more intellectual irresponsibility by those who dont like christianity.
fair enough if you think the bible and the concept of God is bullshit but please dont bastardize the scripture to make it say things it doesnt say.
i believe in ghosts.
^^get out
i've seen what i believe to be ghosts. i haven't seen what jesus or lucifer looks like. people have their own saviours and demons in their lifetime. people will express what they love and fear and hate and joy and so on.
maybe there is a god and devil. or many gods and devils and i've yet to meet them when i die. i don't know what i'd say to them. "hello" would be a start i guess. do you think the devil has time to keep an eye on everyone in hell, cos quite a few people in history deserve to go to hell, right? do you think the devil punishes them for doing his dirty work for him?
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Originally Posted by Ol' Dirty Trixˣ
lucifer is not the name for the fallen angel but an attribute. the fallen angel or "lucifer" was a very high ranking angel in heaven until he decided to overthrow God to become greater than He. God stripped him and threw him down to the earth to dwell there until the appointed time for eternal punishment.
Jesus being called the morning star has nothing to do with the fallen angel. maybe you could say Jesus is "A lucifer" meaning "a morning star" or "one who shines". though the fallen angel was stripped of that title when he was thrown down. he was then given the name satan, which means "the opposer".
what im discussing has absolutely nothing to do with what people want to believe and everything to do with rebuking someone for a gross and despicable misinterpretation of scriptural text.
there's been a lot of gross misinterpretation of all sorts of texts throughout history. who's to say mine is more misinterpreted than yours? because it's down in black and white that means it's got to be true?
i don't believe the idea of heaven and hell ever existed before people discovered that the weather makes things grow and give life. and red is always used to represent hell because blood is red and people associate blood with death and despair.
once they got the idea of a heaven and a hell they've just added some characters that they want to believe are doing all the work.
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Originally Posted by Ol' Dirty Trixˣ
it's said that the devil submits/works for God though -
as far as Jesus being Lucifer though ... the Jesus of today is a merge between the 2 nations ( it's how i see it )
america is called the melting pot - and all peoples from all nations are here to witness the power of the one that was written of - he is the alpha and omega - the beginning and the end - the root and offspring of david and the bright morning star -
i was always led to believe jesus was on earth to turn people onto christianity.
if its down in black and white it means it needs to be interpreted correctly which is not being done by the person in these videos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ol' Dirty Trixˣ
he'd be better off saying the bible is bullshit and leaving it at that instead of taking scripture way out of its intended context.
if you hate math just say you hate math but 2 + 2 doesnt equal 22.
Fuck this Post
i remember in book of job that the devil acted for god by accusing people and telling god and also tempting people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ol' Dirty Trixˣ
he probably likes punishing people so he wants more 2 b punished.
anyway theres lots of contradictions in the bible
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Originally Posted by rakimkoolgrapwutang
in the book of job God sees satan roaming the land and God talks to satan about his servent job and how much love job has for God and how obedient job is to God. satan more or less says that the only reason job is loyal to God is because of the way God has blessed job's life.
so God allows satan to take everything job has away from him including his health. job asks God why he did such a thing to him but still vows not to curse God's name. most of the book of job is about how miserable job's predicament is him asking why this is happening to him, and job pleading with God to end his life so he doesnt have to suffer any longer. in the end God restores job to full health and gives job double the wealth he had before. job proved his loyalty to and love for God even when he had everything taken away from him.
matthew 27:45-46 is sort of a microcosm of the book of job. God the father turning his face away from his beloved son because of the amount of sin he was bearing in his crucifixion and death only to be resurrected and seated at the right hand of God the father.
Ain't it obvious god is always painted as a old greying dude with long grey beard? all people turn grey. they want to give god human characteristics but have supernatural power. maybe men got more rep back in those days because men wanted to draw what they wanted to see and rep and symbolise in their work. How would anyone know they were definitely made by men. there are female deities so were those dreamt up by feminists?
i remember in 1 part of job satan starts being called 'the gr8 accuser' or something like that .Quote:
Originally Posted by THE W
it kinda made me think is devil not providing a service 4 god in a way. cuz hes accusing people.
I've read bits of the New and Old Testament
The Old Testament is more interesting but I personally find the Abrahamic God's actions abhorrent and I dont mean that as disrespect to anyone who follows Yahweh/Iloheim/Jehovah/Allah or whatever other names people have for the Abrahamic God.
In fact Jesus teachings seem to me to be almost anathema to alot of God's actions i.e. Jesus seemed like an compassionate guy from what ive read
i only have a preliminary knowledge of the Bible tho.
@ The W
what do you mean its said the Devil works and submits to God?
Nobody knows the truth unless they speak it.You can't force the truth , the truth is obvious.
I like some stuff in this thread and I don't like some stuff in this thread. I need to watch these videos though to respond any further
many of the seemingly abhorrent things God did were punishments for people who chose to diseboy God's laws and/or those who opposed God. since God is the creator of all things he is sovereign over his creation. God was serving justice in the old testament.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon
sorry, i dont understand the question...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon
the accuser is one of the things satan is called. also "the father of lies".Quote:
Originally Posted by rakimkoolgrapwutang
Ancient astronauts that killed their planet with harmful ozone killing gases came here and created us to mine our planet for its gold. They created us to mine this gold and be their slaves. We still are their slaves and they are still among us.
The main advocate of this theory passed away mysteriously couple years back and has been attacked for mistranslating cunieform writings by people who still use his translations of sumerian/babylonian/akkadian writings.
I dont know what to think except that this shit called religion has cancered us long enough and misguided so many. I do know blind faith from christianity has killed way more people and their well-being on this planet rather then saved them.
If anything - if this christianity is true...then the devil has fooled us to the point where even the bible itself is a lie.
I will peep these videos tonite before bed. will it give me any epiphanies or life altering changes - that I doubt very much. Google is not your friend. Old books are.
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Originally Posted by V4D3R
christianity has nothing to do with religion. religion is man trying to reach the level of God by various practices and disciplines. christianity is believing in who God says he is from his word and coming under his authority and submitting to his will and purpose.Quote:
I dont know what to think except that this shit called religion has cancered us long enough and misguided so many. I do know blind faith from christianity has killed way more people and their well-being on this planet rather then saved them.
If anything - if this christianity is true...then the devil has fooled us to the point where even the bible itself is a lie.
the crusaids and other instances where lunatics went out to harm people in the name of God have nothing to do with what the scriptures teach. God cant be held responsible for people who misinterpret scripture and go do dumbass shit because of it. this is, again, man refusing to come under the authority of God and instead establishing their own authority and corrupting scriptural text to try and justify their actions. or its people acting out of very gross ignorance of sound scriptural doctrine.
Well could you expand on that statement? I thought God and Satan were direct, autonomous opposites so why would the Devil submit to GodQuote:
Originally Posted by THE W
not at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon
satan is a fallen angel who before his fall from grace was highly ranked amongst the angels in heaven. all the angels of heaven submit to the authority of God. satan, or who he was titled at the time "lucifer", sought to make himself greater than God and usurp his kingship so God threw him out.
this is somewhat similar to what adam and eve did in taking fruit from the tree of life. God gave man everything and man was truly blessed back in the beginnning before the fall of man through sin. the serpent, who was satan, told eve that if they took the apple they would more or less have the knowledge that God possessed. in both instances with adam and eve and lucifer they sought to be equal or greater than God.
contrast that with the perfect sacrifice who is Jesus who submitted fully to the will of the Father all the way to a brutal death and did not seek to be equal or greater than his Father.
philipians 2:5-11
In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death —
even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
all 3 had an opportunity to be in right relationship with God. one humbled themself in submission while the others sought abolsute power and authority.
so originally, before his insurrection, satan was actually on God's side.
so you dont believe in God at all. fair enough.
like i said. better to say its all bullshit and walk away from it then try to distort its meaning.
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you've written this same shit plenty of times before -
if you do see this section of the forum in this way, why do you keep coming back ?
you cannot learn anything here -
i would assume that most of the people who have been posting here from many years do not respect you or your words -
most of your posting "career" you have been a target for ridicule in general chat
yet out of all the people who ever posted here in this section, you complain the most about this section
answer me this yo - what the fuck is wrong with you ?
advice - find something better to do with your time - we here are not worth your precious time - go make allot of money and go buy yourself some nice things - lmao
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Originally Posted by THE W
If anything - if this christianity is true...then the devil has fooled us to the point where even the bible itself is a lie.
Who wrote that? Why would we have to acknowledge this or that or burn in hell?Quote:
Originally Posted by THE W
then have another part of the earth where they say the same story but in different names and situations but you burn in hell when you dont acknowledge they are right?
Then the other corner of the earth they dont believe in a heaven or hell but worship idols and gluttony.
I see it as a tool to divide and massacre and to lead armies and slaves for a lil while now. Me and the Creator have a different relationship. i know this to be a fallacy and can prove to you the harm its caused in way more instances then good. Christianity is not even a unit. It's divided in 1000's of denominations....<--anagram
Your no more right then I am and nobody knows shit about the truth real talk. But...there are historical references writings artifacts impossible architecture relating to beings from another world coming down here on earth and fuckin our whole shit up...the universe and mind are powerful easily programmed tools. Religion is like hard-coded hardware on a mind.
God created the universe so he has the right to define it. if you reject him he will leave you to yourself, which is what hell is.Quote:
Originally Posted by V4D3R
hell is a person who doesnt want anything to do with God finally getting his wish.
i dont see how saying that someone over here believes this and someone over there believe that is valid argumentation. the bible already points out that most people will not follow the message and that other gospels and teaching will lead many away from the truth.
mark 13:3-28.
As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?” 5 Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 6 Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many. 7 When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 8 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.
9 “You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them. 10 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. 11 Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.
12 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 13 Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.
14 “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’[a] standing where it[b] does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let no one on the housetop go down or enter the house to take anything out. 16 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 17 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 18 Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again.
20 “If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. 22 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
24 “But in those days, following that distress,
“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
25 the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[c]
26 “At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.
28 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 29 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it[d] is near, right at the door. 30 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
2 corinthians 11:1-15
I hope you will put up with me in a little foolishness. Yes, please put up with me! 2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. 3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough. 5 I do not think I am in the least inferior to those “super-apostles.”[a] 6 I may indeed be untrained as a speaker, but I do have knowledge. We have made this perfectly clear to you in every way. 7 Was it a sin for me to lower myself in order to elevate you by preaching the gospel of God to you free of charge? 8 I robbed other churches by receiving support from them so as to serve you. 9 And when I was with you and needed something, I was not a burden to anyone, for the brothers who came from Macedonia supplied what I needed. I have kept myself from being a burden to you in any way, and will continue to do so. 10 As surely as the truth of Christ is in me, nobody in the regions of Achaia will stop this boasting of mine. 11 Why? Because I do not love you? God knows I do!
12 And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. 13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
so the scriptures have already went over what you have mentioned. yeah, satan has fooled people so bad that the bible seems like a lie. but when read with eyes open and unblinded, the truth of who jesus is and of God's plan becomes clear.
neither God, jesus, or His word divided the church into all these denominations. all the divisions are the result of man in his corruption distorting the scripture for their own gain and going with their own plan and desires apart from the will of God.
i can prove to you that those christians who did more harm than good where in disobedience to the word of God. a true christian will never do anyone harm, but there are indeed MANY wolves in sheeps clothing.
there are historical writings references artifacts and architecture related to the early christian churches.
i agree that the mind can be easily lead here and there.
People like yu are the reason this planet is fucked up. your a fucking pussy real talk.
I bet your such a fuckin pussy you didnt even watch these videos that Soul controller laid down for us.
Yall need to wake your asses up and stop blaming a lil red man with a pitch fork for your own fuckin perversions and humanity.
SOMEBODY HAS TO WAKE YOUR ASSES UP FROM THIS DELUSION THAT BLOCKED YOUR CHAKRAS AND DROVE THIS PLANET INSANE.
WAKE THE FUCK UPPPP. I WAS RIGHT BEFORE BUT ALLOWED THIS BULLSHIT TO CREEP UP AND SPOOK ME AGAIN BUT ITS A FUCKIN FAIRYTALE TO KEEP U-N-I APART AND DISTRUSTING OF EACH OTHER. TO KEEP YOU IN CHECK SO YOU PRODUCE AND ARE A GOOD SLAVE.
OK WAIT. i WILL SLOW MY ASS DOWN HERE. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE RANT. BUT I GET UPSET AT ALL THIS. YOUR RIGHT ABOUT SOME OF THE STUFF IN THE BIBLE IS GOOD FOR THE SOUL. BUT MOST OF IT WILL TRICK YOU INTO BEING TRAPPED IN A WEB OF FEAR WHERE WE DONT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR OWN ACTIONS AND PITFALLS. THIS CAN LEAD PEOPLE TO BLAME EVERYTHING BUT THEMSELVES TO THE POINT PEOPLE GET DEMONIZED OSTRACIZED AND MURDERED EVEN IN SOME OTHER RELIGIONS BECAUSE OF THESE FALLACIES.
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Originally Posted by THE W
Like Christianity? i dont like any religion that teach's its way is the only way,. that their words are more righteous than other religions., especially when those words have been changed and re written so many times.. even if you check th greek / hebrew translations,, to english.. the meanings have been bastardized
We are not the ones who bastardized it, the people who did the faux translations, who chose which books could be part of the bible, the ones who keep the rest of the books hidden from the subservient christians, are the ones you should be pointing the finger at
the bible and the concepts of god in the bible, are man made, wrote by man, who copied / relayed older stories. in to the bible.. teh bible to me is a re working of older stories, to form a new religion (form of control)
teh word lucifer, basic translation is to be enlightened, lucifer is not the devil,. it is knowledge..
course Christians hate knowledge, as it directly contradicts the words written by the men made the bible..,... you do know that jesus never called himself a christian? or wanted a religion dictated by cash/rituals/owners.. hence why he was kicked out the tempple.. and a few weeks/days later was murdered..
its all about power.. what jesus (or the event known as jesus) was teaching was.. the power is within you.. stop giving it away.
Btw.. what did you think of the videos??
did you understand the occult meanings of what was being stated?
^no I didnt catch those occult meanings. explain
Well hold up. I did read some of the commentary for the video stating how somehow christians have been tricked to invoke satan/lucifer in church because of this...the whole thing is insanity and working.
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Originally Posted by V4D3R
i just meant 'hidden' for occult,, nothing magical or weird :)
yea i didnt catch any of the hidden meanings your talking about.Quote:
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i admit to only watching 3 of the 5 videos posted. this is simply an incorrect exegesis of scripture. POINT BLANK. the reason why i didnt watch the last 2 videos is because i dont see why i should continue to listen to someone who is in complete error in the first 3 videos. are the last 2 video vastly different? im sure neither of you have opened a bible and read it thoroughly in your life yet you talk as if you know what its all about. this is textbook ignorance and its intellectually irresponsible.
i believe i've explained clearly that satan was far from a "little red man with a pitchfork". he was one of God's most favored angels. he wanted to overthrow God's rulership and he was thrown out.
its true that scripture does talk about those who follow christ being slaves to christ, even sheep. one of Jesus' titles is "the good shepard". we're all slaves to something. slaves to our sexuality, money, social status, fears. being a slave to christ is the best thing you can be and if you think otherwise then you dont know who Jesus is.
the only way you can become demonized and ostracized from reading and understand the scripture is by completely misinterpreting it and taking out meanings that arent there to form things that are against what the scriptures actually teach.
i totally understand how you feel and i really dont blame you. the holy scriptures are the truth of who God is and the truth of the savior christ but the scriptures have been turned inside out by so many people that have built religious empires based on erroneous exegete that people who come to know christ will spend a lot of time in their walk unlearning tons of bullshit they were taught in the church before they actually get to the truth of scriptures.
the story of the scriptures of the bible is that God created all things, that humans were his most precious creation, and that he has went through great lengths to bring humans back into right relationship with Him.
Yo Vader if u know ktl u should know u shouldn't be going at people like that