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for any of you, is there any caveat with this album? not much here...i cant really pinpoint anything..i guess except for the fact that you have to really listen to each track or it will become monotonous...like if you just kind of casually have it on, the tracks begin to run together towards the end. but as long as it has your attention, its a good listen.
It's dope, but GZA's flow isn't dope as before imo. But the album is really dope yo.
My opinion:
L.Swords 9/10
B.T.Surface 8/10
L.O.T.L.Swords 7/10
Grandmasters 8/10
Muggs = amazing producer
Gza = amazing mc
so Muggs & Gza together should = amazing album right ?? nah, muggs beats sound standard, nuthin too special, Gza had the words but he just sounded bored shitless on everything, sounded like he just woke up on a couple.
to be honest, i havent really had a good listen to it, because it sounds boring to me, but if i listened hardcore to it, like the rest of this site here i'll probably find a couple on there thats good, but to tell more truth, i havent really liked any of Gza albums since Liquid Swords.
PPL who are or are't wu-heads have 2 problems with this album
1st- they don't know it exists (non heads)
2nd- they would buy it was available in lets say Belgium
3rd- they are impatient and hate on DJ Muggs' beats
I personally hate it when i first listened to it
NOw it grew on me very quickly
DJ muggs has been quoted several times saying he specifically made minimal beats. His goal was to showcase GZA's skills as an MC. If you are looking for sick beats, then this is not the album. DJ muggs was completely capable of making dope beats, but he chose not to to accentuate GZA's rhyme and storytelling skills
One complaint is that the songs really do run together. Combined with GZA's rather monotonous flow on this one, the beats weren't hot enough to make any one song really stand out. Best track is #11 (Illusory ?'s), sounds like Liquid Swords because it's damn near a remix of one of L.S.'s songs.....
I have it and really likes it.. but it's right there is no standout tracks but the cd is still dope..
I'll give it 8.5/10
i know this, but, u can make minimalistic beats that are still dope beats, these werent to me, and the fact that he left it minimal to accentuate gza skills was a let down, because for me gza didnt do that much of a good job showing his skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by cboals
sorry if my opinion is the total opposite to everyone elses about this album, but, i'm very picky and i'm a hard man to please when it comes to hip hop these days.
This Album Is Perfect
Not A Classic
But Its Cool
Only Falaw Is Gza Flow
luv the joint, I was doin think differently real heavy and was kinda sleepin on the joint cause alot of it had been leaked....but once I popped it in the trusty cd thing thing couldn't get enough of it....unprotected pieces takes me back to gold......GZA is the man..we need another wu album....and it better have golden arms bobby!!!!!!!!
It's to short 12 songs? shit shoulda did 16
I think the prblem is that niggas forgot how to listen to music, so Gza's shit gonna go over alot niggas heads.
Wu Forever
little on the short side
Nigga Imagine If Hemade It More It Wouldve Been Filler
No 1 Wants Trash Filler
This is a small complaint, but I didn't really like when Mugg's tried to use the sped up voices in his beats. I liked it on Exploitation of Mistakes, but thats it. The high pitch squealing almost ruins Unprotected Pieces, it doesnt sound cool at all.
But thats a minor complaint, i really love this album
that i dont have it yet
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Originally Posted by pep
Gza needs a better flow and delivery. some of the songs werent mastered well and it gets somewhat difficult to hear the lyrics. other than that i have no problem with this album.
I Think The Album Is Very Good I Played It Like A Week Straight But I Dont Know It Kinda Lost It's Replay Value For Me I Dont Know If It's Cause I Played The Shit Out Of It Or It Just Lacks That Quality.
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The main complaint I have with the album is the mixing. The audio levels of GZA's voice are very low compared to the "minimal" beats Muggs devised to hear GZA's lyrics. I can't get into some of the songs b/c of this problem. Some of the beats blended together too much and it could've used a little bit more variety production wise. Otherwise, a very good album.
i like vocals in the background. i know what you mean about the production blending together. there were a lot of beats with the same sort of guitar pattern. bink -- bink bink, bink bink, bink bink.
i cant believe yall dont like muggs beats...i didn't see them as minimal at all, though some of them aren't overly special on purpose...stilll, i like pretty much all the beats. it takes me back to how RZA used to produce...destruction of a guard, exploitation of mistakes, advance pawns, queen gambit...production is stellar to me.
i understand the gripes with GZA's flow, but i think it actually fits the grimy ambience provided by Muggs...he almost has developed a smoky, husky baritone that suits his tracks well, almost like an evolution has occured from his old style...it does have a tendency to become prosaic if you dont pay attention, but if you listen to his lyrics and the intricacies of muggs' beats, then you should be pleased.
this album right here.... yo... there is somethin wrong wit it... gza has tight lyrics but the flow and delivery is jus not there.... very boring and monotone... same with the beats, very repetitive and not much variety, no change ups.
i mean i can listen to it and i dont think its terrible but its not what i look for in an album.
i cant belive so many people arnt feeling it that much. i think its the best album i have heard in agesssssssss
it seems like if a wu album didnt come out in 93-97 then the fans will never be happy
gza is the greatest. needed rza production though but hell the album better than i expected. gza has never dissapointed me with his albums
I have no problems with this album whatsoever. To me it sounds just fine and it is what it is at the end of the day - a low budget indie release. 9/10 for me and I wouldn't change it in the least. The flow isn't as good but then Gza seems to be making tracks that are quite sombre and low so for me he gets away with the weaker flow.
What I would say however is that this album to be does not even come close to LS where Gza's flow was much better and his lyrics plus the beats made him much more menacing. And Beneath the Surface to me is miles ahead of this too for the same reason.
I have a problem with the production. Too repetitive IMO. But it still way above today's standarts.