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Uh oh spaghettio. Sure hope no forum members tell their side of the story.
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Quotes from sin and shy in jail.
Uh oh spaghettio. Sure hope no forum members tell their side of the story.
Give them a call and let them know.. You never know.. you might get that 15 minutes of attention you've so long been dying to receive! hahaha
twas posted in the other OATIS thread too. I'm actually impressed these journalists got that much (true) information about the album that was largely only known on this forum
I hope Shkreli sues for his $2m back lol
Old Rza and his greedy tactics going to backfire if the courts are involved, Ringz is living in Morocco, I doubt they give a fuck about US law out there lol.
Are you the one who was on my dick in that other thread i dont remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin™
Im sure your google skills can figure it out.
With that said.
Ringz is gettjng very arrogant with the "you cant sue me im in morroco" as if someone out the country hasnt been served before. Guess he doesnt plan on coming to america anytime soon. Im sure rza can get sued as if that has nothing to do with him. Lmao.
Why didnt you respond for comment ringz? Cat got ya tongue?
How and a one of a kinda album be fake? If you put songs on a compact disc and say 'this is the album', that's the album.
fake as in marketed/ sold under false pretenses
Yeah they shoulda interviewed forum members too. We coulda gave similar details. Ha. Everyone here knows it's not a Clan album. But Ringz will even admit that was the only way to sell it. Peace
Rza owns the wutang name. If Rza says it's a wutang album, it's a wutang album.
You're getting quotes for 'killa sins' and ugod's manager saying it's not an authorized wutang album, in contrast to RZA touring the media circuit saying it's a wutang album. It has verse and production from wutang clan as well so it can't really be anything else. These 'killa bees' got their formal education from popa wu getting drunk at bbqs and are conspiracy theorists by trade
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haha Repped :Y
not really lol. idk how that makes sense. Maybe by name only, but that doesn't make it an album crafted by the wu-tang clan. And it doesn't have production from wu-tang clan. it only has production from what you described as killa bees with formal education from popa wu getting drunk at bbqs and are conspiracy theorists by tradeQuote:
Rza owns the wutang name. If Rza says it's a wutang album, it's a wutang album.
No point in arguing over something that basically doesn't exist. If you are never gonna hear the album then f it. It's not music if you can't hear it. Just my opinion. And U-God has a manager ? Thats the real topic here. Peace
im sure its not a bad album, and it features many great verses from wu-tang members, but nobody can factually say wu-tang put this album together. even RZA as owning the wu-tang name had nothing to do with it. thats all im sayin. which is a bit of a different story than was marketed
Since 36 chambers the other members have just given verses when they had free time. Rza is the one that has overseen every project. Some members spend more time in the studio with him than others but it's their choice. Does it make actual sense for grown men to be that lax and hands off about the single most determinate factor in their life, legacy, and income (wu-tang albums), no but that's how it's been and it's public knowledge. Rza is the one who 'makes' the albums or says what's wutang and what isn't. He legally owns the name
i don't think grown ignorami like ugod's manager and killa sins understand the concept of brand integrity but allowing this to be published is very damaging to wutang as a whole whether the like the concept or not and if wutang isn't trustworthy as a whole they're not going to sell their dry ass solo concerts
except this one. jussayin. lol. not trying to hate on the album or process, just stating what it isQuote:
Rza is the one that has overseen every project.
agree that this isnt good for the brand though, but RZA wanted to brand an album he didnt make as a Wu-Tang album so he'll have to take the heat along with it
they should probably focus on different priorities such as staying out of jail for once in their lives and getting the girlfriend on some type of weight loss plan
I dont understand any part of this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
On one hand your saying wutang is rzas cuz clan members just come in and do verses and he puts together the albums.
And considering CILVARINGZ is the one who did it this time, how does that point stand.
And you going in on ugods manager and sin as if theyre dumb (like you know them) is another reach gor ringz.
Ugod is sueing because he gets paid MORE for a wu verse than for a killah priest/shyheim/cilvaringz feature. Everyone on the album recorded their verses under the pretense it was for a different project. Would you not charge more to he featured on say a jay z project versus a memphis bleek one? Of course you would.
The album is a glorified copy and paste job. Killah sin is an origibal wu killa bee, he has a right to feel a certain way about it as im sure from his wife hes in the know what happened here.
Rza cosigning this bullshit caused all the drama but i get why he did it. He indefinetley shelved cilvas "prime wutang" album we all "wanted" and made millions in the process. So itll never stack up against rzas albums cuz well never hear it.
But yes, cilva AND rza both told lies in the lead up to this and could constitute as false marketing and possible breach of contract tho with skreli in jail prolly wont happen.
We all know this wasnt something they came up with in the desserts of egypt on a camels back ot whatever fairly tale was used because he told all us "im going to meet rza and finally tell him about the project"...
It was not an authentic wu tang album; never was and never will be.
Ringz is happy for the press instead of people enjoying his hip hop work.
Culture vulturing at its finest and even the clan and beez feel the same way. Who am i to tell them theyre wrong when they ARE wutang and we AND ringz are just fans.
I won't say it's "fake"....just copy & paste...
Everyone knew what they were getting involved with or what they were buying. If not they should not be doing business period. It was always produced/put together by Cilva and of course RZA co-signed it to make some bucks.
I can understand the people on this want to make some extra money because it's their main form of income but it just comes across as greedy.
I didn't know what Cilva/RZA promised everyone but the facts are pretty clear.
ahahhahahQuote:
Originally Posted by TSA
A. If RZA says it's a Wu-Tang album, then that's what it is. RZA owns the Wu-Tang name, brand and logo in full. B. Martin was granted the right to listen to the entire album before paying. Upon acceptance he legally accepted the album as it was defined. This was mainly done to make sure we didn't just put 1 song on there and the rest would be a bunch of blaring sheep and chickens farting over Rick Ashley ballads. C. It is a Wu-Tang Clan album. Features from Killa Beez, Cher, Redman and my aunti dont make it something else. Shy, Sin's or Domingo's interpretation of what a Wu-Tang album is, or how it comes to be is irrelevant. What counts is what RZA defines it as. Not me, not Sin not anyone. This is like saying GZA's Beneath The Surface isnt a GZA album because he's missing from 7 of the 18 tracks (some completely performed by Wu-affiliates). Or saying Ironman isn't a Ghostface album because he's missing on 2 songs. Or to say Forever isn't a Wu-Tang Clan album because The City, Dog Shit, Black Sampoo, The Closing, Sunshower and Second Coming are solo songs by Wu-Tang Clan members and even affiliates (Tekitha, Poppa Wu, Uncle Pete), not the entire group. Or to say that Iron Flag isn't a Wu-Tang Clan album because In The Hood, Radioactive and Yall Been Warned were actually songs made for Masta Killa's solo (One Blood as well). I can go on and on.
What Bloomberg refused to do here is print my full statement. Know the history of this article. These are the same writers who broke the Martin Shkreli story. I have been in contact with one of them for a much longer period of time, before a sale was commenced simply because she was interested and she was cool. And I kept her in the loop which she respectfully kept off the record. They then found out Martin bought it and decided to break it. Cool, thats their right even if it didn't fit with our scheduling at the time, can't stop it. When we read the article there was a sleazy comment in there about what the auctionhouse rep has apparantly told Martin. It was false but of course it doesn't even matter if you counter claim it, once written it's out there, true or false. We asked them respectfully to take that out, it was baseless and added no value to the story. Considering the morality of it we expected them to do so, in return for having been kept in the loop by us and granting them an interview etc. But ofcourse they left it in and ran with the piece. We then decided not to do anymore press with them. They tried a few follow up stories and we didn't participate.
So when they approached me a few days ago with this article I said I'd be happy to give a quote under the condition they'd print my entire quote. They kept refusing. I said look, I have been misquoted a few times now with serious consequences (see Method Man Huffington Post/Hot97 interview), I cannot subject my quote to selective quotation. They refused again but promised to use it in full to the best of their ability. I decided not to speak, but was then strongly advised to at least have the truth out there even if it's a small piece of it. I knew RZA didn't give a shit about talking about it, but had I known that Martin had laughed at their whole story (hats off to him for that, shit's hilarious, printscreens on his Facebook) I also would've just let it go without speaking.
As expected they used half my quote yet used all the other accussations in full. I gave a breakdown of how the money was split and referred to the book as how the album came to be so it explains it all. But of course that doesn't fit their narrative because what they're trying to do as "journalists" is instigate shit as if they broke some wild story. Ofcourse Martin himself wasn't even going for it. It is quite unbelievable they had to resort to two guys in jail for attempted murder and a fatal hit and run to accuse me of misleading (they wrote letters to them and asked them to call Bloomberg). And then use Domingo (who is commonly reffered to as a crook by many folks that I know who've dealt with him) of all people to support those accusations. That's why it was more funny to me than anything. But it shows the desperation of two so called journalists obsessed with this story (because it was there biggest one ever when they broke it the first time) without any real content to keep talking about it. So they try to make up some shit. Hey guys the album might not be a real Wu-Tang album because these guys here say they didnt know they were recording for one!! Yeah.... ok... read that back will ya? If I record Lee Towers on a John Legend album one day but he finds out later that he didn't know if was a John Legend album he was recording for, does that suddenly mean it's not a John Legend album anymore cause Lee Towers said so?
Point is, every Wu-Tang artist got paid. Secondly everybody got water tight paperwork and know what they signed for. And if you're such a smart journalist trying to make this something that it isn't, use some real Wu-Tang Clan members statements. Go to scluzay.com and press the audio below and hear Ghost and Rae speak on it. Go to the Method Man interview where in all his glory he smote me with all he had yet never discredited the album as a Wu-Tang album, only what was happening to it. Read the Masta Killa interviews about it.
Yeah the album wasn't done in a "hey tomorrow at three yall, we're gonna start a Clan album" way... read the book and you'll understand. The journalist read the book. He tweeted about it weeks ago. Did you see him refer to it once? Nope.. did he keep it in my quote? Nope... you know why? Of course you do.
Nobody disputes that RZA owns the name, he can claim that Taylor Swifts album is a Wu-Tang album tomorrow, or one of Memory Man's mixtapes that he produced fully of Wu-Tang verses
none of those examples are even close to being analogous to how this album was made, but I don't wanna sound like a broken record anymore so ima go play nine holes of golf
Fuck no.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForensikZ
It's a fake album because nobody from the clan who recorded verses and emailed them in over the space of years knew about it and RZA had nothing to do with its development until he fleeced the end game because it wasn't planned this way at all until the last second for some possible variety of reasons which made this change. Nobody knew what they were getting involved with at the time until 10 years later and nobody discredited it because nobody thought it would be relevant and/or RZA gave directives to say this and that.
The ONLY reason this has a Wu Tang logo and RZA co-signing it is because RZA knew he was going to get paid from it. Cilvaringz falls in line with the creative fan fiction because he doesn't have the authority to go against the Abbott but anybody who was posting here before this whole concept was announced knows the truth.
Anybody who says "this is not a Wu tang album" is doing so by saying that the album in essence is not a Wu tang album. It's not. It never was a Wu tang album. It never will be a Wu tang album. This is a cilvaringz album.
Then your a fucking idiot. You get pid more depending. on the release. Ti wouldnt get the same price from young dro as he wiuld jayQuote:
Originally Posted by Memphis Fleek
tho from what i understand ring paid their asking fee ao point is irrepevent
ringz changing my status. Corny
AgreeQuote:
Originally Posted by The Hound
So we can all agree that this is just a compilation of songs put together by cilva with no supervision from the group. Cilva is Lucky sin is still in jail, he ought to give cilva a good ass whoopin
Sin is mad
Dude should concern himself with staying out of prison. outside of this forum nobody even knows who he is. dudes got 16-years-to-life sentence and all he worried about is a "cut and paste" verse on a "fake" Wu album? priorities.
After reading the book it was actually my understanding that it's a Cher featuring Wu-Tang album.
Who? Cilvaringz?Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin™
Maybe someone with more knowledge of the business can clear this part with me. Shyheim said he would like a cut of the 2 million bucks, perhaps he said it in a joking manor. But he is wrong here, correct? If Ringz paid Shy whatever is he charges for a verse then that's it. Rappers don't see a cut or royalty check off sales from someone else's album regardless if it sells 10 copies or 10 million copies. Thanks and peace
I don't really care if it's a WU album or not! I just wanna hear it!!!!!!
Now that everybody thinks it's a fake album, it's even more fascinating to see how the interest levels will shift for this thing. I mean it's been called a copy & paste album, a Cilvaringz, a dead in the water Killah Priest album, now it's a fake album. People should absolutely have no regard left for this thing, my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by soren
Fun fact: 36 Chambers was according to RZA the most copy & paste album out there. It's when he first started fucking with ProTools. Protect Ya Neck was copied and pasted in its entirty.
Everybody would like a cut of the 2 million bucks. If Shyheim has a right to it then hey, more power to the brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by josborne3680
Finally somebody who knows what he's talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel411
Since the evolution of ProTools, Logic, Cubase and Reason, pretty much any work of music out there in the world is now copy & paste.Quote:
Originally Posted by whitelotus777
Do please explain the culture vulturing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForensikZ
You really need to read the book homie. And tell your brother The Mountain to get a copy too. Quick question.. if I record a verse from you tomorrow on one of my beats, and I put your vocals on a John Legend album, is the John Legend album then a fake John Legend album? Forget the ethics of it, just answer that question.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hound