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Was coming to post that and cue up grown men who will cry about not getting to hear the album and how unfair life is.
The album is worthless?
bahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by food for thought
A series of unfortunate events ey?
In the clip she says it *could* include the album, in the text says it *must* include it. So which one is it? Is the ruling (video or transcript) publicly available somewhere?
Either way, and all antipathy aside, I gotta hand it to you Ringz: excellent marketing on this whole affair and brillant move to sell that thing to Shkreli out of all people! :-DD
Peace.
Federal prosecuters had officially asked for the album among other things in their filing. That filing has now been approved so the assumption is strong for the album to be among the assets that'll be taken.
I assume it would go to some kind of auction? I’m sure he can appeal the ruling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
Makes sense that he tried to sell it on ebay
So if he turns it over to the feds, do the feds technically own the album?
The feds will own that album in its physical form yup
I'm still wondering how you could actually prove, in court, that you own the rights to the music on that CD given that there's no copy of it. Would you just have to rely on collaborators vouching for you or did you somehow register the actual music (e.g. in sheet form) and lyrics somehow/somewhere?
Edit: Let's assume for example that someone rips the album and anonymously sends, say, my mother a CD-R of it, without any further info. How could she actually be charged with violating IP if she distributes it, given that she has no way of ascertaining if copyrights are actually being violated by doing so?
Peace.
Lol they're not going to throw it in a giant warehouse with bigfoot fossils and the cure for AIDS like the end of an Indiana Jones movie. And they won't have a big Wu themed staff party. It'll be auctioned and Harvey Weinstein will buy it.
Unreal turn of events.
that's amusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaDynasty
this is still being talked about.Out of sight out of mind !!
honestly i guess it would be cool to listen to the OUATIS tracks but at this point at least for this long time wu fan it wont bother me at all if i never hear them.
Now these are some joints i would like to hear - 1st bobby digital lp instrumentals , african killer bees presents the pillage - cappadonna german lp advance promo release , and those Prince Rakeem unheard joints that were online for a limited time to members of some fuxn website.
Also from what ive read and heard lately we may actually get some of those Shaka projects soon and those tracklists look sick !!
That shit gotta get leaked @ some point
does this in anyway void the contract from when the album was sold? if this goes to auction and is sold, i cant see the new owner being bound by anything in the initial contract. i imagine they would be free to do whatever they want with it...
Guess we are going to have to do like Bart and his friends did on Simpsons and all of us put our money together to purchase it until we get into an argument over it and it gets destroyed in the process and we cry with raw emotion like Doctor David Banner in that Incredible Hulk episode when that other hulk smashed his cure..
It probably will go up for auction againQuote:
Originally Posted by ShaDynasty
gonna go ahead and say the federal government ain't leakin shit lol. props to cilva. The more dramatic a piece of art's story is, the higher its value. though this looks like it's going to be locked off forever if it's with the feds and taken off the market as a whole. There's always the chance of a federal auction thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by 8
I wouldnt rule out the chance there's a big wu fan in the government that wants to hear it and gets it leaked. I hope it doesn't though
I would think auction too. This isn't coke we're talking about.
But maybe they destroy it. Who knows.
i just legit hope it doesnt ever get leaked, it'd be better for the brand. or not until after Wu's retirement
it would be like tarantino saying what was in the Pulp Fiction brief case, it would ruin the whole mystique
there's literally no possible way of the album living up to the hype, or even a fraction of it
Yea well after hearing wu on drink champs, random meth interviews hes done on the promo tour for his tbs show and reading ugods book, albums essentially a fake wu album anyway.
Once its ripped you can stop acting like its this gem of an album since everytime it makes some news site you call it “the gift that keeps on giving”
To quote meth about your OUATIS book “still finding a way to prostitute my crew”
Lol, rza wont let that happened in fact the clan would not like it either. no matter how this album first came about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rame
Regardless of the snake shit Ringz pulled off.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForensikZ
It's as simple as this..
Proudced beats.
Paid Rappers for verses.
Created LP.
Co-Signed by Rza.
Sold.
Oh look. It's a Wu LP.. If Rza has stamped it as Wu. It's Wu.. Sorry if your feelings got hurt.. But Rza is the only person with any authority of claiming what this shit is..
Oh so RZA is gonna tell the feds to fuck off and not destroy the album?Quote:
Originally Posted by num2son
I think OUATIS happened not so much because it was a one of kind lp , new way of selling music , blah blah blah but because Cilva , Divine, Power and The Abbott are sheisty business people. dont think this album would have been able to be released the traditional way via physical and media outlets because Cilva would have got his ass whooped !
I just wanna hear this joint already!
Imo, even if RZA co-signed it, it's not a Wu-Tang Clan album. I see it as a Cilvaringz album featuring the Wu-Tang members, since they didn't create it together as a clan album. That's why I completely understand that some Wu members don't co-sign it, since it's labeled a Wu-Tang Clan release.
I'm not talking about the quality of the music though, I bet it's great! I think the whole idea is great too, what every fan dreams of doing. I think the Wu members, as well as fans, would appreciate it more if it was more released as what it is. If it would've been presented so that everyone understood that the Clan wasn't knowing about it being a wanna-be Wu-Tang Clan album (not wanna-be in a bad way, but describing), that it's a Cilvaringz project trying to capture the golden era Wu-Tang sound.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackoma.../#3d2561393edc
This video explains it so I can't say they're trying to keep it a secret, but imo it's still shady marketing calling it a Wu-Tang Clan release, no matter what RZA says. Here's why!
"The album was recorded in secret with the members not knowing the exact outcome," RZA said in March 2015. "But when we announced it to them that this was the plan, everybody agreed that this was a very unique idea."
Sure is, but did they get paid thinking it was gonna be released as a regular project? If so, that changes a lot. Especially since it has the label Wu-Tang Clan!
"Neris, who manages U-God, says the real story is that Cilvaringz gathered verses over the years from Clan members for his own projects and later stitched them together to make Once Upon a Time in Shaolin without the full group's permission. "We're very detailed about the quality and how we put our best foot forward," Neris says. "We would never have authorized anyone to put together a project and call it a Wu-Tang Clan record without us ever looking at it, hearing it, or being in the same room together. That's just the way these guys work.""
"U-God sued Wu-Tang Productions Inc. and RZA in New York State Supreme Court last year, saying he hadn't been paid for his work on "Once Upon a Time in Shaolin," among other things. His manager says that case is pending."
"When we did the verses, it was for a Cilvaringz album," says James Ellis, manager of Method Man, another core member of the group. "How it became a Wu-Tang album from there? We have no knowledge of that."
"The rapper Shyheim Franklin, another member of the extended Wu-Tang network whose work has been praised by Jay-Z, tells a similar story. He says he went into a studio on Staten Island with Cilvaringz about five years ago to add verses to one of the producer's records. "He did mention it being a project he was trying to produce with everyone on it," Franklin says. "There wasn't the assumption that it would be a Wu-Tang album."
Franklin, whose name is on a track list for "Once Upon a Time in Shaolin" that has circulated online, says he can't be sure he's on the record but he'd like to find out. "I'd like my cut of that $2 million," Franklin says by telephone from Washington Correctional Facility in upstate New York, where he's serving a maximum sentence of 14 years for second-degree manslaughter."
""The way he presented it," Killa Sin says of his recording with Cilvaringz, "was it was going to be basically his album, and he wanted me to do some work for him." He later learned his verses ended up on the Wu-Tang Clan's "Once Upon a Time in Shaolin," the most expensive record ever sold."
"For Killa Sin, the experience has been particularly disheartening. He says he had been off the scene for a while and was looking for a way to get back in front of the public. He had previously worked with Cilvaringz, a RZA protégé, and liked his style. When he complained about the low fee Cilvaringz offered, the response underscored that this wasn't a project affiliated with one of the most beloved rap groups. "He said, 'I'm doing this all out of my pocket, and I don't have a big budget,'" Killa Sin recalls.
Killa Sin says he pressed Cilvaringz to let him hear some of the record so he could write better verses and immediately recognized old friends from the Wu-Tang Clan such as Raekwon and Inspectah Deck. "Of course," he says, "I've been associated with those guys for the better part of 20 years." He figured the Cilvaringz album would be a good one and he'd have more chances to record.
But in 2015, Killa Sin was convicted of criminal weapons possession and received a 16-years-to-life sentence. He's currently at Sing Sing Correctional Facility in Ossining, N.Y. Later that same year, RZA and Cilvaringz sold "Once Upon a Time in Shaolin" to Shkreli, who has kept the album under wraps for the most part, although he did play some of it online after the election of Donald Trump.
In a telephone call from prison, Killa Sin laments that he wasted his verses on an album that may never be heard by Wu-Tang Clan fans. He also resents the way Cilvaringz treated him and the rest of the Clan members and their affiliates.
"It's an insult," Killa Sin says. "It's like f--- everybody else. I'm going to get mine. He probably thought, 'We're onto something. We can really get some money for this.' But you got to stop and say, 'How would my brothers feel?'""
(Source: https://www.sfgate.com/aboutsfgate/a...t-12198404.php)
Here's what U-God is saying in his book, it summarises it all: https://i.imgur.com/eSIaDY1.png
(This part of the book is already available online for free, it's from a preview at Google books)
I'm not trying to take anything away from Cilvaringz (or RZA), I really appreciate the hard work and the whole idea behind it. I'm just explaining why I can't see it as a Wu-Tang Clan album, and why I understand that the people involved are disappointed with the way they were treated as persons, even if the music is amazing and I really like the secret project idea in itself.
Here's what U-God is saying in his book, it summarises it all: https://i.imgur.com/eSIaDY1.png
(This part of the book is already available online for free, it's from a preview at Google books)
as RZA would say " Bong Bong "
Imagine going back to 1997 when Wu-Tang Forever was released, and tell the Wu and the fans that someday wu is going to have a one ex-album, and that album, that legend, is going to be owned, by the... Government..
This is just great.. Cilva and RZA gotta be loving this hype!
You know what's funny about all this... A lot of you are willing to quote whatever source you like to make your point that this is not a Wu-Tang Clan album, or that I did some snake shit, or whatever. Yet none of you would quote the book Cyrus Bozorgmehr wrote and give our side of the story. Personally I don't care, well maybe a bit otherwise I wouldn't bring it up, but it's some funny shit. You'll quote U-God talking about this album not being a real Wu-Tang album, and then just a few hours ago Uyi is talking about it being one (http://www.tmz.com/2018/03/06/wu-tan...me-in-shaolin/). You'll quote Masta Killa calling it a mixtape 3 years later, but you won't quote his original statement in the original Forbes piece which was an actual digital recording in which he expressed joy of being part of this "musical portrait". Go to Scluzay.com and hear both Ghostface and Raekwon talk about this as a Wu-Tang Clan album. No more, no less. Yet when two silly journalists from Bloomberg dangle a supposed 2 million dollar paycheck in front of two felons down on their luck, and two disgruntled managers, suddenly their opinions can constitute what a real Wu album is and what is not??? Better than RZA? Seriously?
And you might want to pull up an interview Masta Killa did with Peter Rosenberg. While Peter was playing Killa songs of his catalogue, they stumble upon Winter Warz. But it's not the version off Iron Man, but the version as used on Don't Be A Menace soundtrack. As you all know, that version starts with a different intro and Killa didn't recognize it, to which Peter asked (if my memory serves me right) something in the sphere of "didn't you know where this song would end up at when you were recording it?". To which Killa said that back then they would just record music, and things would end up at wherever RZA wanted to. And this is how a lot of the early works were recorded, according to the Abbott himself. This is why The Faster Blade and Assassination Day ended up on Iron Man, despite Ghostface not being on them. This is why a bunch of tracks on Beneath The Surface don't even have GZA on them. Does that make those albums fake Ghostface albums or fake GZA albums? The beats to Shadowboxin' and Ice Cream were made within a 2 hour span from one another. This was the organic approach that was taken back then when recording Wu music, no matter where it would end up at. You think "One Blood Under W", "In The Hood" and "Radioactive" were songs recorded for The W and Iron Flag? Those were songs recorded for Masta Killa's album. Are they now fake Wu-Tang Clan songs? If the logic you want to apply to OUATIS is justified than you should apply it to these songs as well. But it's bullshit, because that's how shit gets made. Organic recording. And thank God for that. Because we all know how the actual "hey be there at 3 tomorrow we're gonna record a Wu-Tang Clan album" approach has worked out for the last three Clan albums. You don't need my word for it, there's enough about it in the press. And this is why OUATIS sounds the way it sounds. Because there were no strings attached. Just pure organic recordings.
It's basically "The Saga Continues" except we're never going to hear it.. or are we?!
RZA signed off on that, but is it a Wu-Tang Clan album? I'm not arguing against OUATIS, i'm just curious if there is a difference
You lot are like flies to shit when it comes to this album.
Lol @ Ringz being upset over what people he hates thinks of his album no one has heard.
It's reversed. I don't really care what you think since it has no discernible effect on anything. I'm just passionately intrigued by how funny the bias is.
Anything to get your name out there lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hound
I would say "and for the art", but I think everyone knows it isn't.
I guess I'm wondering why I'm having a hard time understanding where the wutang members and majority of fans are coming from. What Ugod just wrote is stupidity. You have all complained that you wanted to get paid first for albums. You got paid first and now you want equity that you were too stupid to ever factor. Why would they pay to the 2 million when they already paid you to rap? Rappers are stupid as fuckQuote:
Originally Posted by rzatrax
and what's everyone beef? I don't even get what someone would want it to leak. This is a historic part of a legacy that deserves some type of win after trying as hard as possible to cannibalize it's own name for 15 consecutive years. I don't want it to leak. Let that shit be legendary. Plus idk if any of you notice but the album sucks. Why do you want to hear it? If you knew that Method Man had a secret album called Tical 0, how stupid would you look clamoring for him to strip it of it's secrecy which would be it's only redeeming factor? Once that secret Tical 0 leaks how stupid would you been actually trying to find out what a wutang album with verses recorded on different days produced by a moroccan forum moderator in 2017 would sound like?
Let the rest of the world care, but you as wutang fans know damn well what that shit sounds like and how fast it would become a weed plate.
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Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
also, how fucking dumb and aloof do you have to be to be a member of wutang and not recognize Winter Wars LMFAO! Jesus. What a fucking goober. Forget that you're a professional rapper and at that point you had only been on 5 songs in your dumb ass life. You couldn't recognize the first hit you were ever on? And I can? This is how all of them except Rza are. They have no clue what's happening and have nooothinnggg to do with the creative process of their albums. So it say it's not a wutang album because an idiot like U-god didn't know is hilarious because U-god can't name 5 Ghostface songs. I can't remember the interview I saw where one of them was struggling to remember the name of the wutang clans second album. Their opinions don't count. The only one I've heard of being involved in the creative process for any of his own projects (how stupid does that sound) is Ghost.
Anyone remember the interview where Jay-z was recalling a time that Method Man was complaining to him about his album promotion, and Jay told him to go talk to his AR, and Meth didn't know who it was LOL. Method man himself was telling a story about how disinterested in making wutangs second album he was and how he just did his verses and didn't care like Ghost and Rae did.
Ok lets see. You're stupid ass was selling popcorn at the statue of liberty 2 years ago. You join a thing. It makes you over a million dollars. You see the entire world. You end up on movies and TV. and that thing wasn't interesting? You didn't think that thing would hold any gravity in your life? LOL holy shit. Imagine getting shot and casually not caring about it. That would be easier to ignore than being a wutang member in 1996, and not being interested in the wutang clan.
So if they say they 'didn't know' or it was 'a compilation' then good lol. Why was it easier to get them to record a compilation than an actual album?
Remember how Hanz On had to basically trick method man, a professional rapper, into recording an album? lol fucc.
If Rza is the architect, recording verses, switching up beats, not involving the other members in the decision making process regarding this or that - then it’s ok, because it’s Rza.
If Cilvaringz is the architect, recording verses, switching up beats, not involving the other members in the decision making process regarding this or that - then it’s not ok, because it’s not Rza.