U-God & Cilvaringz should do a joint album together, called criminally hated and underrated
Shit I’d cop that!
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U-God & Cilvaringz should do a joint album together, called criminally hated and underrated
Shit I’d cop that!
Thanks for sharing.
I do not think it would happen.
Cilvaringz would do anything for Wu Tang, but if U god does not like Killarmy or Sunz Of Man, then I cannot see him embracing Cilvaringz like that
I don't believe Cilvaringz is interested in collaborating with anyone in the clan anymore.
What clan member would call and say to cilva "aiyo lets forget the bs from the pass and unite on a solo project?"
it's fucked up because cilvaringz is lowkey the best wu producer after tru masta and 4th disciple
thank you swordplay, that's kind. I think a cilvaringz/u-god album is what the world needs right now, it will solve all things.. the Mueller investigation, the dysfunctioning stalling mechanism in those bloody Boeings, the malicious mosquito pest in Sri Lanka.... Cilvaringz and U-Gee Oh Dee together would salvage all that shit. Word.
I'm still making beats. Ask Bronze, he heard my latest work, ask him what he thought? And yeah, they wont call.. neither will I. But i guess they stopped calling 4th and True as well, and they aint even do shit lol. I kid you not, some of the Clanners were actually contemplating getting Dj Khaled to produce on the last Wu album so they could keep up "with whats hot right now"... God honest truth. I bet you on day you'll be begging for a trashy fake wu album to save your soul!Quote:
Originally Posted by num2son
I reckon Uey is your best bet Ringz just to annoy the rest of the clan especially with all the negative press he been getting, he loves annoying people!! Reach out fuck it.... imagine if that shit blew up!! You know every corp member would buy that shit!!! You don’t have to pay me nothing ;)
DJ Khaled makes beats?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
Uey would tell him to go fuck himself. You know that right?Quote:
Originally Posted by leegriffo88
Yuck DJ Khaled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
Yeah they don't seem to have a clue. RZA won't dig in his yellow box for some good beats and just look at these guys solo careers, you can tell they have no fucking taste in beats. I think Ghostface and Masta Killa have done a pretty good job without RZA, thats basically it.
Yes, Khaled makes beats. He usually contributes a few beats on Fat Joe's solo albums. I saw a photograph of him recently with Big Punisher. I never knew he was Terror Squad that long..
How about releasing a couple (or more) samples for us to hear Bro? You are a King of beat making, we need more CilvaBeatz!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
So who’s in charge of asking Bronze? Ha. Anyway, everyone on here knows Ringz has beats although we haven’t heard one in what a decade. Problem is he has burned too many bridges with Clan and crew. Plus they don’t know what they fit with beat wise anymore. Peace
Well, hopefully at some point the Generals, Killah Beez and Cilvaringz can put their pride aside and reach out to each other.. It is a great disservice for all including us fans to be deprived of potentially awesome music. I am still wondering whatever happened to those other eight beats GhostFace took from Cilvaringz
Well I did put my disqualified beats into a compilation called Mental Chambers V and it's on Spotify. Matter of fact, all my disqualified beats are on Spotify. I'm holding onto the best ones for potential work, but Bronze got to hear them last week.Quote:
Originally Posted by josborne3680
That's what happens often. Go crazy when they hear them, stash them, forget them.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Daniel Davis
Nothing. Don’t hope for cilvaringz music within the clan. It will not happen. Pray for bronze nazareth music in the clan. That can happen. And the last wu track with deck, killah priest and cappa is awesome : https://youtu.be/_mvflrDjWXAQuote:
Originally Posted by David Daniel Davis
Never say never Auntie Nelly, who knows, I might have some left over tracks from the fake trashy Wu album ! And hit you upside the head with some fly ass fake Wu shit to get ya mouthwater!Quote:
Originally Posted by Antonelli
Ghost and Gza have a good ear for great beats. If the clan want powerful fire beats start looking into bandcamp producers or GBuilding.
If Mental Chambers V and the rest are "disqualified beats" I can't imagine what the "qualified" ones sounds like.
Then the clan is losing if they never considered 4th or True. But they deal with DJ Mathematics?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
I believe there was a voting poll years ago on this site on who besides rza is a great beat maker. And I think Math came in last. 4th and True were ahead of him.
The Wu-Elements made that Pillage album a classic.
Gza too. No taste in beats and no clue why their fans like them. Ghost MK and Gza seem well oriented. I'll make a guess that Khalid is a U-God suggestion lol. Or Raekwon. They're both pretty far from center.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaDynasty
Though I think Khalid will do better than Rza because he'll feel pressured to 'sound like wutang', while Rza will be pressured to 'sound like russell crowe' because he's very very off center as well.
I used to wait for Cilva's old projects with Moongod, Magpie etc but I don't anymore. I don't think Cilva is interested in releasing them and the new stuff doesn't sound good for me. Bronze Nazareth has also kind of run out of steam. His beats seem to have sounded the same since 2005. There've been some classics for these 15 years but most of the tracks is just one-listen ones
Let your prejudices dissuade you all you feel but Cilva has beats and Bronze got beats as well.
Everyone who fronts on Cilva easily forgets how hype those same people were when he was sharing snippets of potential OUATIS with you. To be currently meme-ful: keep that same energy.
And I don't understand anyone fronting on Bronze. Even in possible situations where he might have overextended and you're thinking "oh, this is just a 'meh' project" you have to realize who he's working with and the say they have in the beat selected. There is a definite reason the best beat off his collabo album with Canibus was Bronze's solo track off the deluxe edition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9_567WPis4
Anyone doubting Bronze, once his on-deck projects drop, I bet you're eating crow/rap pavillions...
I can't agree with that. That is Bronze's style and niche product. If he were to switch he would be criticised even more so. I would rather him keep to what makes him great rather than reach for 'a more relevant sound'.Quote:
Originally Posted by soob
People go to Bronze because they know what they are getting - Pure organic quality. He prefers to helm complete projects too, because he has nothing but fire in abundance.
That's the current problem with some of the Wu, they will get 15 different trash sounding beats from obscure Euro no-hopers with wack names like 'Chitty-Chitty Bang Beats' or something, rather than collaborate with one or two Wu Elements for that pure quality of organic Wu soundscapes.
The ego of some of the generals is appalling.
They have been wasting the past two decades trying to get new fans, rather than rewarding the loyalty of fan base that is their foundation. Raekwon is a main culprit. His most successful album in last 20 yrs was OB4CL 2. That's because he went back to the formula. FILA was utter trash. DJ Khaled seriously, are they that blind?
I see what you mean bro but for me Bronze kind of fell off with his beats. I ain't saying he's whack but they don't have that soul they used to have. Same shit with Apollo Brown (Bronze's student btw) whose beats I loved but now they sound bland to me in most cases.
I dunno, maybe I've lost my appreciation in that kind of beats
Quote:
Originally Posted by soob
Bronze never felt off. He stay consistant and use the same formula for almost 20 years now.
Check his latest work :
https://youtu.be/zX5SAS57hTg
https://youtu.be/lkK39Fl_dPM
https://youtu.be/BZkWSBFMUbY
https://youtu.be/RH-yb58VCoQ
https://youtu.be/GF0yx6kEXNE
https://youtu.be/cZJ3deWPbF4
https://youtu.be/h4TcX8JHnKI
That's all good boss man. That's the beauty of music (amongst other art forms) - the product is the same, but the experience and interpretation is wholly subjective.Quote:
Originally Posted by soob
What's your opinion of the new Sav Kills joint produced by Bronze? I love it. I sincerely would love it if Deck did a whole album with Bronze. Let's hope he has some shine on Chamber 9.
The Bronze Tape was quite possibly the best production we've ever heard from Bronze... I stay bumping that on repeat
In a just world, before it all burns down and we're all dead, the devoted diehard Wu-Tang fans would get a Bronze-produced LP of the entire Clan. It's madness that this dude keeps producing albums that are front-to-back bangers, the whole WTC knows who he is and what he brings, and they still haven't tapped him to produce an album yet.
Same with Ringz, although the Ringz-produced WTC album did happen, but nobody gets to hear it besides Shkreli and the Feds.
For real tho, before all is said and done, the Clan needs a heavy dose of Bronze & Ringz production to revitalize the SOUND. They've successfully revitalized the brand, it seems Wu brand has been on fire the last couple years. The SOUND has been mediocre though. The solution to that is so obvious, it's frustrating to think it might never happen
Yeah, I almost said GZA. None of his albums are bad although some of them have a few wack songs.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
He usually has good taste in beats too.
Exactly that!Quote:
Originally Posted by the silencer
As much as I admire Raekwon's skills, I do feel that he is a hypocrite and rabble-rouser. I think Rza has had many a sleepless night trying to figure out how to appease fatty.
Rae and Uey notoriously and publicly shit on Rza for his current sound and not making beats "hard enough" - yet Rae is most likely the one to suggest DJ Khaled for beats.
If Rae feels that clan albums need harder beats - he sure knows who the fuck Bronze; 4th and True are. But no he chooses instead to lambast their aesthetic brilliance as "dark funeral music", and suggest commercial wack wank jobs like Khaled and Pharrell. Lardy hypocrite.
Don't publicly air out Rza for not making hard music when you yourself are churning out soft commercial fecal matter on your solo joints.
Humble your self and seek the Truest, bronze man, or disciple. Butter Knives was great yet not even close to Bronze's best. Masta Killa knows what time it is.... put him in charge of beat selection (I shall allow Selling my Soul as an abstraction).
The clan needs to suit their style to what the new young fans want: 36 Chambers sound. Look at the crowd at all of their shows. all young heads like we were back in the 90s. There's still a market for that
Hey Cilvaringz,
Is there a thread on here where you talk about your production techniques?
I'm interested in what gear you're using. Sampler. Sequencer. Your favorite DAW. That kind of stuff, if you're willing to share. You learned from the best (Rza). Thanks.
Totally Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythrandir
For real. I would rather the Wu Elements do full projects outside of the Killah Bee hive than not get anything from them at all because their own people barely use them.
True indeed!Quote:
Originally Posted by David Daniel Davis
KRS and True is a case in point.
U-God is whining about not having Rza's production for his solo joint... dude did you not hear yourself on Heaterz and Dats Gangsta??? Why not just replace the wank trash that Rza laced you with for that Redemption album, with more True Master goodness. Had he done that his album would have been considered a classic debut.
Same with Deck. Sounded legendary on Heaterz and Rec Room. Why not think to yourself, that was nothing but magic, I need to have True lace my whole joint. Uncontrolled Substance would have been an instant classic rather than an ok-decent album that it is.
I contend that from 1999 onwards, Rza was not needed as a producer (other than clan albums). With the sheer quality that 4th and True were putting put during this time, Rza's change in musical direction would have not been as significant as it was if more of the generals had used the Elements for their projects.
Rza had minimal input production wise on T2 Judgement Day, yet this is barely felt because of the heat that True and 4th had on this. Why the fuck was Gza pissing about with Arabian Knight when he has a long-standing working relationship with True? Can you imagine how good Beneath the Surface could have been if True and 4th were on it?
RZA produced REC Room. Sample was from True's crates so RZA gave him the credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythrandir
Tical 2000 needed more 4th (2 tracks) but RZA (4 tracks w/ the album version of Party Crashers), True (5 tracks) & the rest came through, though never was big on the Erick Sermon cuts or Break Ups.
GZA had just about as long-standing a relationship with Arabian Knight as 4th & True. Arabian Knight = Q-Base from Royal Fam. But agreed his production was weak compared to 4th & True.
You guys are missing one angle. Not all of True and 4th's beats are Wu-Renegades / Heaterz quality. Most producers, me included, will have more wack/average beats than absolute bangers. Like for instance my Mental Chamberz stuff on Spotify will never include beats that I know I can reach a higher potential with. Same as the work I reserved for OUATIS, I would consider that some of my best work. The same can be said for 4th and True. If given the oppertunity to work on a U-God or Deck album, they too might make those same considerations... "Nah Imma keep these for a Meth joint, or a Clan joint, cause the mechanicals are gonna be much higher, the royalties are gonna be higher, the flat fee", etc etc. So they might not be inclined enough to hand over that next Heaterz joint to someone they might feel will not maximise the full potential of it. So they end up sending the average beats. The artist then might not feel them as much and will eventually stop calling, or get pissed off that Meth DID get that banger shit, while he didn't. This is a scenario that happens. Then again, other scenarios are that those producers are left without placements for years on end sometimes and now just need a paycheck, but they've grown tired of hearing that incredible banger they made two years ago and have kind of forgotten about it, and have moved on to newer sounding beats while we as fans would prefer the ones they forgot about. That's another scenario I experienced myself with 4th in Steubenville when he was playing me incredible stuff that he didn't even know where he stashed them, what disk they were on, where he got the samples from so he couldn't even remake them, etc etc. And then there's the Clan scenario where RZA will decide pretty much what ends up on the album. And the more RZA productions on there, the more mechanicals flow RZA's way, and that's an incentive that sometimes might play, not saying it does cause I was never part of those decision moments, but it does happen.
U-God, Deck and Killa should've gotten their due, their one RZA produced album. And I believe the Deck album had started, and that disappeared in the second flood. But as ferocious and maybe Top 2 emcees in the Clan Deck was on Clan albums, he might not have been "Bomb Atomically" enough when holding an entire song down. You can't expect "Bomb Atomically" level verses all over all the songs. Sometimes emcees are much better in group format than they are solo. Again, not to say that's a fact with the aforementioned three, but I can imagine labels might've felt that, or might've felt that the commercial appeal wasn't as strong as the other 5, and therefore maybe there wasn't a real oppertunity to capatalize on around that time leaving RZA/Divine less inspired or motivated to get those projects on the roll with RZA producing them in full. Other oppertunities might've been flowing RZA's way with way more money or commercial potential. Not fair to the emcees, not fair to the fans, but at this time business has overtaken the raw recording mentality of the early 90s where nothing counted more than just making bangers, one for all, all for one.
My personal favorite for much of the 90s was actually U-God. Loved the voice, loved the compact rap style he rapped with, and was looking forward to Warriors, which we were told was the name of his solo album to come back then. But alas, that didn't happen and I can see why U-God would feel salty about it. And then seeing Killarmy and Sunz Of Man release two, three albums and go gold. That's gotta piss you off. Eventhough 4th handled the bulk of those albums and didn't really need RZA but for a beat or 2. But U-God needed RZA in full. So I don't think his saltiness is weird. What I don't like is that resentment being aired out publically and in a very "you're to blame" kind of way. I never liked the public airing of their feuds, that's what fucking tainted it all for me and made me lose respect for that shit. That's why I never publically said shit back to them neither when they went at me. But U-God started that shit. I was with RZA when U-God called him a slave owner on Hot97. That was a black day and I don't think things were ever the same again after that. And for the record, with me, U-God was mostly an asshole, so I'm not trying to stand up for the dude.
But 4th got that shit, well, had it somewhere and I don't think it'll ever surface. And not enough folks care anymore neither. Not commercially enough. And don't expect 4th to be able to make you another Soldiers Of Darkness like that. He's moved on to a much cleaner sound. Sold the old equipment last I heard to stay afloat. The True Master beat tape that's out there, it's just ok, nothing OMG. The KRS One album was cool. It's wasn't Slang Editorial cool, it wasn't Heaterz, it was alright. Wu-Tang's strength was in their albums. Not the individual songs, but how all those songs made the album experience incredible. I said this before, Wisdom Body's beat is nowhere near as dope as Wu-Gambinos, but they're on the same album and they work together magically. The selection of the beats, the arrangement, the skits in between, the vibe in the 90s, the fantasized picture of them all together in a dusty basement, all those elements psychologically embodied your golden era Wu-Tang experience. You're never getting that again. Not knowing what you know now and where they are in their lives. All you can hope for now is that suprisingly sounding ok track from the Clan. When is the last time you heard a Clan track that made you feel like the first time you heard Wu-Tang Forever? It was probably around Supreme Clientele. After that... well, you know the story.
And ps. yeah some of them simply got a bad fucking ear for beats! They could call me, but there's too much pride in the way, and they could call Bronze but hey... as they (Deck & U-God) said to me: "I just came back from the club and these kids aint vibing to the shit you making. Your shit sound like funeral music".
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