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I just saw the trailer for the new Star Wars movie and thought to myself, how far the franchise has fallen? Then I started to think about all the Star Wars nerds who are militant about the movies and how they must be flipping out or are they? So I wanted to know is the new bunch of Star Wars films considered successful or has Disney ruined the films in the eyes of the fans?
I mean, George Lucas got there first.
It depends how good you think the original films were in the first place, I don't think any of them are amazing by any stretch of the imagination. They're just kind of fun and silly.
JJ Abrams' Force Awakens was good as a fan servicey ode to the original trilogy, but the sequel was all over the place, some of it I like, some of it I don't. JJ Abrams is returning for this new one and he has a good track record so I think it'll turn out okay.
Disney has a history of racism and xenophobia in their movies.
I'm not aware of Disney's "racism and xenophobia," and considering how often misused those labels are today among Pseudo-Liberal DemoKKKrat Regressive Neo-Marxists, I assume it to be a false allegation. It's actually the phony emphasis on feminism and diversity which has played a large part in why the new series of Star Wars movies suck.
The original Star Wars trilogy were episodes 4, 5, and 6 released in the 1970's and they were awesome.
Then they came out with the prequel trilogy of 1,2,and 3 movies. These received criticism but I actually liked them, though not as much as the original trilogy. Jar Jar Binks was a bad character but I loved the actors and roles of the young Obi-Won-Kenobi and I liked his mentor Qui-Gon Jinn played by Liam Neeson. Natalie Portman was great. Senator Palpatine was played well. Samuel L. Jackson played a great role. It still felt like a part of the Star Wars universe despite being made decades later.
Then came Disney and episodes 7 and 8. A new generation of characters. Unconvincing actors and bad writing. The Force Awakens. Adam Driver does a good job as Kylo Ren. But here comes the diversity squad of pseudo-liberals. Through two movies I don't give a shit about the protagonists. Finn? How could any sith not have taken this clown out by now? Poe? He's no Han Solo replacement. Rey? Such a flat, hollow character. I have no reason to care about what happens to her. And she's supposed to be the main protagonist star of the movie! I just assume Kylo Ren, the bad guy, take them all out. I have no reason to care about what happens to these empty, hollow, corny characters the way I cared about what happened to Han Solo, Chewbacca, Princess Leia, Obi Wan Kenobi and Luke Skywalker in the original trilogy. It's not even believable any of them have the strength or skill to take on the Empire. No training. No arch. It's like they just inherit the force and skills like a trust fund baby inherits his daddy's Hollywood fortune. They go from being nobodies to battling Siths. Contrast that to Luke Skywalker gradually building his skills and abilities with The Force over a long three movie trilogy.
At the end of episode 8, practically the entire rebel alliance gets wiped the fuck out under the feminazi leadership of Vice Admiral Holdo - some purple haired feminist looking bitch you'd find at a planned parenthood protest wearing a pink pussy hat screaming about how middle class Republicans should pay for her free abortions. And despite practically all their family and friends and fellow rebels being slaughtered, the remaining survivors are all happy and smiling and hugging each other at the end of episode 8 when they have nothing to really be happy about. It's fucking stupid.
Then there's the writing errors. Like Luke Skywalker is supposedly projecting himself to trick Kylo Ren, but his projection hands his sister a physical object. How the fuck does that happen? Sloppy writing.
And how is Yoda shooting lightning bolts and blowing things up and setting things on fire? If he can do that from beyond the grave, then why not just shoot lightning bolts at Kylo Ren and Snoke since you are a powerful destructive invincible ghost? Fucking stupid.
It's Disney clownery. And we're never really told the purpose of Snoke. Oh, and we need a token Asian character because Diversity! So we get Rose Tico which is an even worse character than Jar Jar Binks. A terribly annoying character and story in episode 8, beginning the episode with her preaching about duty and then bailing on duty at the end to instead appeal to emotions.
The only white guys allowed in the new Disney Star Wars trilogy are either old, grumpy, evil, backstabbing, or get killed. Because WHITE MAN BAD! It's so obvious these movies were written by penis tucking pseudo-liberal demoKKKrat Regressive Marxist twerps who use transgender bathrooms. I really don't give a fuck if the main characters are non-white or female, as long as they are good, but this shit is so forced and phony it makes you want to puke. I loved female protagonist characters such as Ellen Ripley in Alien. She kicks ass! And it wasn't some feminazi granola bar gluten free faggot shit.
I watched Rogue One which was actually decent and probably better than episodes 7 and 8!
I haven't watched Solo and have no interest to.
Expectations are almost impossibly high for the Star Wars franchise. I'm not a Star Wars purist. My criticism above is light compared to most of the reviews you can read online.
nobody is going to read all of that you god damn loser.
I agree with Shadynasty that the movies have always been stupid and it's nobody's fault if the new ones are stupid too. I think this next one will be slightly better than normal since they're trying to break away from their previous (shitty) formula.
It's not my problem you have attention deficit disorder. Take your ritalin.
No one is going to read your 40,200 fucking posts you damn loser.
Speaking of shitty movies, Django Unchained sucked.
Django is a goat movie.
Boomers who grew up on the original movies think the new ones are utterly terrible, but I was talking to a 26yr old about these movies recently and Episode 1/2/3 are by far her favorites. It's like 90's Wu-Tang vs post-2000 Wu-Tang, some fans actually think ABT was a good album. Its just a generational thing and what you grew up with
like TSA said the original movies were pretty damn weird anyway, even the actors thought it would flop
Rose is ugly.
I thought the last few star wars movies were entertaining. the solo one that had a slight indy jones flavor to it and the one with ol' man skywalker stuck on a rock he's too vertigoed out of his mind to get off of. I might have misinterpreted the plot on that last one though
the first disney remake was pretty pointless imo. just a rehash of 'a new hope' in feel. the only original idea (well, kind of) was the renegade storm trooper
the late nineties emo rock star looking bad guy was milquetoast at first but he's grown on me
I can't be bothered with any new characters' names anymore though.
gonna go see the new one in two weeks. bee rock, if you're reading this, consider this an official invite. make sure you wear the right shoes
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All the original Django movies are better.
I watched the first couple episodes of Mandalorian and thought it was good.
From Forbes:
Review: ‘Rise Of Skywalker’ Is The Worst ‘Star Wars’ Movie Ever
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Walt DisneySpoiler warning: I do mention specific details about the first few scenes, but otherwise there are no spoilers save for “read between the lines” notes about the film’s overall construction. Reader discretion is advised.
Given the loud and SEO-friendly backlash to Star Wars: The Last Jedi, I half-expected The Rise of Skywalker to be something of a walk-back in terms of tone, plot and exposition. After all, The Empire Strikes Back was itself a dramatic departure from Star Wars, and it was followed by a threequel (Return of the Jedi) that was closer in spirit to the first movie. What I was expecting, at worst, was a well-made and character-driven action fantasy that perhaps contained plot threads or story beats for which I didn’t care. You can enjoy both Batman Returns and Batman Forever.
Alas, J.J. Abrams and Chris Terrio’s Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker is a genuinely bad movie, one that repeats the fatal mistakes of the likes of Spectre, Spider-Man 3 and The Crimes of Grindelwald to end the Skywalker Saga on an all-time low.
The problem with Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker isn’t just that it absolutely walks back a number of potent reveals and plot threads from the last movie, but rather that the 142-minute movie spends almost its entire running time retconning its predecessor and adding painfully conventional “plot twists” and patronizing reversals in the name of mollifying the fans who merely want to be reminded of the first three movies. It inflicts additional damage to the legacy of the first six Star Wars movies. It undermines the previous two “episodes” in the name of giving (some but not all) original-trilogy Star Wars fans a reassuring pat on the head. It even shies away from The Force Awakens’ darker real-world implications. It is so concerned with character reveals and “chase the MacGuffin” plotting that it finds no time for any real character work.
Things start promisingly enough, with a grim and visually dazzling sequence (for the record, the whole movie looks great) in which Kylo Ren (Adam Driver, doing what he can to sell some awful dialogue and plotting) kills his way to the location of a still-living Sheev Palpatine (Ian McDiarmid). The former Emperor promises command of countless newly created warships as long as Ren ends the Jedi order by killing Rey (Daisy Ridley). Okay, fine, the Emperor’s back, but at least that reveal is done right off the bat.
The next sequence, involving multiple jumps to light speed, plays out like the Star Tours ride. But once we find ourselves back in the new home of the fractured Resistance, well, you have huge chunks of plot that are written and edited around deleted scenes of the late Carrie Fisher. That’s when things start to implode.
With all due respect, Carrie Fisher’s performance in The Force Awakens was not her best work, and now we’re dealing with deleted scenes from that previous Star Wars movie being awkwardly inserted, not unlike Raymond Burr’s Godzilla footage, into this new movie. Everyone else is required to act around her, with the story dictated by what footage they had on hand, resulting in some genuinely goofy filmmaking (see: Leia and Rey pass a lightsaber back and forth because it’s probably two takes of the same deleted sequence!). The Resistance immediately gets word that Palpatine is alive and has raised a world-killing army of super-ships, news that everyone takes pretty well. I guess it’s only slightly disconcerting that (metaphorically speaking) Hitler is still alive 35 years after World War II and is planning on teaming up with the USSR to try to enslave the world again.
We then jump into a “go to the place and find the thing” adventure, and the filmmakers seem to think that the mere idea of Rey, Finn, Poe and Chewbacca on a journey together is in itself incredibly compelling. Alas, absent memorable dialogue and much in the way of honest interaction, plus two extraneous new characters seemingly meant to “no homo” Finn and Poe, the journey becomes about the destination. That destination is merely more arbitrary plot reveals. Did you love how the last Fantastic Beasts movie spent most of the movie hinting at and eventually revealing irrelevant connections between characters? Did you love how Spectre tried to retroactively make Blofeld “the author of all your pain” in the three previous Daniel Craig 007 movies? Or how about how Spider-Man 3 revealed that the Sandman actually kinda-sorta killed Uncle Ben? You’re in for a treat.
It’s not just that Rise of Skywalker undoes Last Jedi’s “it’s not your franchise anymore” metaphors—aimed at a generation that grew up loving Star Wars and then allowed two Palpatine-ish leaders (George W. Bush and Trump) to come into power—for generic “don’t worry, Star Wars is still the best!” fan bait. It’s that this is the only real reason this movie exists. It is focused on plot over character and is written with the “we got to stop that laser!” intelligence of a bad Saturday morning cartoon. When there already exists some very good kid-targeted Star Wars toons (Rebels, Clone War, etc.), one cannot escape the fact that Rise of Skywalker has turned this entire new Star Wars trilogy from a kids’ franchise into one aimed at nostalgic adults yearning for a time when they believed they were the most important generation.
Adam Driver does his best trying to sell this nonsense, and there’s a momentary glance when he unexpectedly finds himself with a weapon that has more charm and character than any number of “applause now” introductions or fan-friendly callbacks. The film continually teases status-quo altering events and then immediately walks them back, offers generic action where even the seemingly emotional showdowns are interrupted by digressions and past-tense exposition, and gives Daisy Ridley essentially no real arc of her own. The screenplay never forces her to make any hard choices or live with the consequences of her mistakes. The plot is shockingly similar to Frozen II, but even that film, as random as its narrative seemed, prioritized character and emotional honesty over plot, which is why it resonated despite the story issues. Finn, Poe and Rey are mostly action figures moved into place as the plot demands.
The Rise of Skywalker is possibly worse than any prior Star Wars “episode.” It ends a legendary franchise with a thud while denying this new trilogy its artistic reason for existence. It represents the cultural theft of Star Wars from today’s kids by today’s arrested-development-stricken adults. Star Wars was a franchise first and foremost for children, and the kids who grew up with Harry Potter, The Hunger Games andthe MCUhave embraced harsh truths and challenging narratives. Lucasfilm and Disney’s The Rise of Skywalker feels explicitly crafted for the “Rian Johnson ruined Star Wars!” and “George Lucas ruined my childhood!” demographics, right down to its near erasure of Kelly Marie Tran’s Rose Tico. It’s bad enough that adults no longer see grown-up movies in theaters, but now yesterday’s geeks who have taken over pop culture feel entitled to have the kid-friendly franchises aimed at them as well.
Was going to see this at the weekend, going to skip it and see the Jumanji sequel (first one was surprisingly enjoyable).
Movies getting shitted on which is actually surprising because the critics loved the shit show that was the Last Jedi and gave the Force Awakens a pass even though it was the same fucking movie as 'a new hope'.
To be honest with Star Wars unless they do an R-rated one where limbs are flying off blood is being spilled. Where the plot is an actual war between 2 sides which isn't your typical Nazi evil guys vs plucky rebels. Then maybe I would be interested again. Hell give this shit to Scorsese and let him make a Star Wars mob movie.
lol, seems like my thinking this new movie would be good was a complete misfire. I haven't seen it but I've been hearing 'worst movie ever' level reviews. I agree with Hanzo. When it first came out it made sense for it's time, now it's bottom-barrel generic, stake-less sci-fi. It gets all the credit in the world for originating the genre, blockbusters etc. Probably the most important movie in western history, but fuck is it outdated.
It's probably unredeemable because scorsese is about to die, and entire creative-sphere of the united states is occupied by very androgynous vegans that are the literal failsons and daughters of the people that made hollywood matter. If the work is not about people's dicks actually being vaginas they can't advance on a single concept within it, but will always go for remakes because they're essentially shitty remakes of their parents.
I thought this movie looked ok. I don't know why it's getting panned so early?
@Hanzo.....I agree, Star Wars under Disney has become a bit lame (Hence the reason for this thread). I don't blame the cast I blame the script writers, they followed cultural fads and made the movies too PG 13 rated.
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Yeah.... I agree
The first three Mandalorian episodes is leaps and bounds better than every Star Wars movie made after the originals
So after watching this I can say it's a deeply flawed movie which only confirms this threads title. Yeah Disney ruined it. Not because Star Wars was this fantastic franchise where all the movies were great. No far from that. 11 Star Wars movies and 2 are actually good movies the rest go from ok to straight up garbage.
Disney clearly had no real plan from the get go. Sticking the emperor in at the last minute. This was an uninspired movie that even as a standalone movie is bad. When you think of it as part of a trilogy, good luck connecting the dots. They basically 'fixed' everything the Last Jedi fucked up but in order to fix the story it goes into desperation mode.
The first 40 minutes is a clusterfuck. The rest is just meh. Even the big lightsabre battle was boring. Like the prequels sucked right but at least they all had 1 epic moment. The music plays and you get an epic light sabre duel. There are no epic moments here.
Then the big space battle there's no tension because they like fighting 2-3 ships while the entire fleet just watches on from behind. Just destroy the one ship. It's like a cheap video game win cause.
It was boring. Not just from the lack of memorable set pieces but also the lack of tension.
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But this new show Mandalorian is good. I've watched 4 episodes so far.
There must be a different crew producing this series than the cornballs who ruined the third trilogy of the movies.
I liked the originals. It was a good story.
The prequels were interesting mainly because of the development of Vader and the whole story.
But they weren’t that great. The acting was worse.
I think I saw one more... the one where skywalks appears at the very end.
I went because the ticket was free.
It’s just the same shit over and over.
It’s probably appealing to kids, as it should be.
I agree with Han, I might be interested if they do some R rated version, like they did with Logan or Joker.
But I have no interest in anymore of these movies.
Plus I’m not all that into the originals as it is.
I saw the new one. As much as I like to say these films are all nonsensical, there is something to be said for the plotting, character development, pacing, direction of the original movies.
Rise of Skywalker definitely is one of the worst Star Wars films yet. I think Abrams basically ignored The Last Jedi, which was a decent but flawed movie, in favor of doing whatever he wanted to do without it being properly set up in the previous movie. I liked the basic premise, but it's like they put no effort into making it work at all or explaining anything. They just threw in Lando, Han and other old characters randomly like that would make people forget that the script is atrocious, lazy tripe.
I enjoyed watching The Emperor fuck shit up - he's the most entertaining character in the whole series, and Daisy Ridley's performance was good but that's about it. I was bored by most of it. You can't say that about the prequels - 1 and 2 were full of fuckery and 3 goes HAM. This film was soulless by comparison.
the billion dollar question is what does the future look like for all of the franchises Disney has now bought? The whole of Marvel, I want to say DC, etc. 90% of anything that came before 2015 is now owned by a company with absolutely no capacity to create original compelling content, and goes out of it's way not to take risks. Disney's entire business model is capitalizing on nostalgia, stealing ideas and condensing it into the more toy friendly version possible. That's really what happened with these last three movies, and is what's set to happen with everyone else. They bought the parent companies for the specific purpose of milking the shit out of them without adding anything to the brand.Quote:
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It's a wrap for a lot of great franchises, and I've never heard of anyone buying something back from Disney.
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I agree Disney as a brand is well past it's use by date. Now all they do is splash cash to try and revive the brand. No one should sell anything of value to Disney, unless like TSA said they are willing to invest in it to make it something new from the company eg. New mickey mouse etc…..
I saw this film on opening night. I read the reviews prior to me viewing the film. I went in with a somewhat negative thought in my head based on what I've read online. My overall opinion on this film is relativity positive. Perhaps this is due to me not being a hardcore Star Wars fan. I enjoyed myself and so did other people in the theater.
I understand what people are stating regarding The Last Jedi. Different director with different ideas which totally messes up things for the triology. I thought The Last Jedi was ok. The Rise of Skywalker was a good way to end the franchise. JJ Abrams, producers, executives, and writers had to work with what they have. They had to end the franchise with a bang so why not have some fun? JJ Abrams is a good director and if they stuck with him, God knows have things would've turned out?
Good film overall.
3.5/5
I don't think they will release a new Star Wars movie anytime soon. Solo lost money, The Rise of Skywalker isn't doing as well as the previous movies. They will just continue with TV with shows like the Mandalorian which people liked.Quote:
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With Marvel I don't think they can top Avengers endgame because the stars who built this franchise aren't there anymore. People are also worn out from superhero movies. For now Marvel will play the race card, Black Panther 2 and also an Asian superhero movie. Probably an Arab in the future to. They will just rehash the same stories but change the skin complexion of the superhero and people will watch.
Then you got the old cartoons they are remaking. Dumbo, Aladdin, The Lion King more is on the way. I think Dumbo flopped but the other two still made a lot of money even though they weren't that good.
It's all about the money at the end of the day as long as the shit they put out make money and people get excited over them Disney will continue. I think they have all noticed that the best superhero movies in the past couple of years, 3 of them were R-rated. The Joker, Logan and Deadpool. The Joker will probably win a couple Oscars. So maybe they might make more of these character focused movies aimed at adults. Ofcourse none of the three were Marvel/Disney products.
I agree that no body wants to pay to see white people. I think the superhero movies worked because they're covered up. I'm over deadpool too so I hope they chill on that.
They don't have the internal machinery to focus content towards adults. They're geared to get 'all ages' money. They'll throw out bones here and there, but box office alone isn't going to make them Toy Story international merchandise money so they're not going to lean on that at all. Unless they find ways to upsell titles to adults to the extent that they do with kids which, idk. They need to channel titles into toys, their parks, and television and won't get far making fake deep Joker movies. Games of Thrones did it well so we'll see.
Looking forward to seeing a wave of book adaptations though, which I think will pick up pace because there's too many streaming services. I honestly see 'the big screen' being for movies what terrestrial radio is for music. Strictly for the most agreeable mass produced, merchandise ready shit possible. It's already there, in fact.
They’ve saturated the market with this stuff.
When they start making the same stuff but with different characters based on gender or race, if it’s the same stupid shit people aren’t going to be fooled.
It will still make money but it’ll be more of the same and the movie shitty.
Like they’re doing with Creed and Karate Kid.
Creed Is the most overrated movie ever. Completely unoriginal, same old script it’s just Rocky 7 and 8.
I give the Rockys credit because they did continue the storyline of the man but it’s completely played now.
Karate Kid didn’t need parts 2 or 3 let alone the last two.
They’re just investing in money making commodities.
Scorsese didn’t shit on superhero movies because he doesn’t think they should be made, he just made the point that it’s impossible to get people to invest in other movies.
But he came out of that autere directors era where studios were giving directors free artistic reign up until the 80s.
Mandalorian comes back in October with Season 2. I'm hyped. I really enjoyed the first season.
Season 2 episode 1 was alright.
I didn't really like the plot. He risked too much just to get some armor back. And he didn't find other mandalorians which was supposed to be his fucking mission. Failed.
Disney can do their family friendly crap and still throw a bone to us Marvel Knights type of crowd. Deadpool franchise has been hitting so far and Logan was good. So were Venom and Doctor Strange. So they see that there is a market for dark stuff..
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I hear Mando 2 is out. Still haven't seen series 1, still don't have D+. Overall weak CONTENT.
Mandalorian is very good. Way better than last Star Wars movie. Peace
So I keep hearing. it would be the only reason for me to go D+ but there's still so much to watch on other platforms. maybe if I stuck to one post a day on wucorp lolQuote:
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Gotta see if u can use someone’s sign on^. That’s how I get Disney +. Peace
Madalorian S02E02 was alright. He gets hijacked in the beginning and baby yoda has a knife held to his throat. Mandolorian gets himself out of it again and deals in a bar for some information about where other mandalorians might be. He then has to uber a frog to a far away moon without passing hyper light speed. Rebels pull up beside him and ask for credentials and to prove he's not carrying imperials on board. Mandalorian dives to a nearby planet and leads them on a chase through a canyon of an icy frozen planet. He crashes through some ice and escapes, only to find himself in an underground icy cave full of huge Ice spiders.
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Rumors are that Boba Fett will soon make an appearance this season.Quote:
First described as “knobby white spiders,” they appear in concept art created by legendary Star Wars franchise artist Ralph McQuarrie for 1980’s Star Wars: Episode V – The Empire Strikes Back. The spiders’ homeworld is reported to be Dagobah, where Luke Skywalker was trained by Yoda in the film, and at one point the movie was expected to feature a battle between Skywalker and one or more of the spiders. Although they were excised from The Empire Strikes Back, the spiders eventually made their first, official on-screen appearance in the animated series Star Wars Rebels, where they were identified as Krykna — a dangerous predator that also happened to be immune to animal-taming applications of The Force. https://www.digitaltrends.com/movies...ets-explained/
Riley Reid is unrecognizable. still hot though
Me swatting down porn addicts like Brock and Hal
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