one is not necessarily connected to the other
also, how long have they been talking about that new album now? it's BEEN a minute. obviously COVID is gonna hold up things
one is not necessarily connected to the other
also, how long have they been talking about that new album now? it's BEEN a minute. obviously COVID is gonna hold up things
'Sales' is misleading, since most of it will end up being counted in streaming numbers. The last album did about 20K first week and that was 8 years ago.
Success depends entirely on how it's handled. They can potentially still make a popular, critically acclaimed album but it all depends on the execution, and how they handle promoting the record.
I think it would be nice to hear them experiment and branch out sound wise. The Wu-Tang sound has been ran into the ground both by Wu themselves and literally millions of imitators. They should do something different and more modern, still boom bap and soulful but not just the musical equivalent of The Force Awakens.
I think they definitely can bring some heat... if certain stylistic and aesthetics are adhered to. The foundation has to be solid, none of that phoned-in crap. If they can just spend 2-3 months vibing at the Wu Mansion with no distractions - there will be guaranteed quality output, I think Rza will benefit being out of Hollyweird and back with his Wu comrades. His production and rhymes will improve with no yes-men around.
I'm not sure about the big sales, but once word spreads that the Wu have made a quality product with a return to a fan-pleasing aesthetic, it will be guaranteed to sell better than the last two joints.
This is just a pipe dream however, it's not going to happen like this. Barring funerals, I think the documentary is the last time we will see them in the same room together.
No need for big sales, 1 is more than enough if you know how to flip it. :loser:
The sound & promotion is key. If they bring back the old sound & promote it right I think it could make an impact.
I think they should do one last album (for the fans) but they shouldn’t rush it and no bullshit music either.
No Nathaniel. No Harley. No live drummers. Clan in the studio together.
For me, that would be a solid start.
What CL2 said. Peace
And noone to hear it? No thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
I don't believe the last album sold only 20 k copies. I have two copies myself and I guess there's more poeple like me in the world. I guess, overally it must've been around 100k + streams. According to HipHopDX, Wu sold over 20k copies of A Better Tomorrow in the first week plus 20k+ in streams but it was the first week alone in the US. Wu is much way popular in Europe now than in the US i'd say.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaDynasty
Wasnt your album taken by the fbi from the pharmatroll? Sadly I feel it will be locked up in a box in the fbi storage and will be forgotten now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
Glad you made your money though.
There isn't an FBI storage I think... just for X-files ;)
It's with the department of justice's forfeiture department.
Maybe there will be some light at the end of the tunnel someday... fingers crossed.
Cilvaringz albums are like Schrodinger's cat.
I hope aswell that it will be light at the end of the tunnel. And it could be in the x-files since only a handful of people seen it in real life. (Just kidding)
Hope you or rza can get it back into your hands somehow.
I highly doubt either of them would be interested.
They would end up having to pay quadruple whatever they made off of it to get it back. F.B.I. are the ultimate scalpers.
Griselda, YOD and Elzhi are still showing everybody that grimy, hardcore rap has a big following. Wu need to rap on better beats and they need to take it as seriously as possible.
GFK, Mef and INS have been killing it lately. Others, not so much.
Anything can be profitable but if they're trying to go through the 'corporate music tunnel' which few humans understand is a single option of out millions, hell no. A lot of work has been done to assure sub-versive black men aren't given those types of platforms, especially in music and media and they won't risk undoing the work. So you can't make this type of group and be a part of the very tempting 'system'. Millennials are also too into conformity and are liberal about inauthenticity for the group to not be lame, and Gen Z literally doesn't listen to music as a form of entertainment. Since people with artistic capacity are usually at dogshit at business too, good luck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ROOi5xagxgQuote:
Originally Posted by TSA
I mean, you're on a wutang website
Wu been shit coincidently since cilvaringz came into the picture
OuchQuote:
Originally Posted by Frank Drebin
You write poorly - poor grammar and sentence structure and a lot of buzzwords.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
I mean there must be a better way to phrase whatever the hell you were trying to say in that post.
http://i.imgur.com/uyjM4.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Frank Drebin
I've been thinking about it and to be honest I think that commercially Wu is in better situation than it was in 2007 when they were releasing the 8 Diagrams album. They've solidified their position since then - we have Wu avenue in New York, they have thier own TV shows and I think they're more recognizable for an average American than they were 10 years ago. If they had the proper plan to do it right, they can still bring the ruckus, maybe not for the hip-hop world but they could make it quite big I guess.
Good point about timing. If they have a solid album to coincide w Hulu season 2 or at least the end that might could work!Quote:
Originally Posted by soob
Unfortunately I don't have much confidence that Wu can drop a dope Clan LP today. What could be incredible, though, is a lost sessions-type album from material recorded for previous albums.
Co sign this. Doubt anything exist though, maybe? Wonder what a Rza solo before Bobby Digital circa late 90s would have sounded like.Quote:
Originally Posted by hiphopjunky
Nah never gonna happen again. If Im not mistaken last time Wu went platinum was wu forever album
I can see them dragging out the release of a new album until the 30th anniversary of Enter.
Last time they went platinum was with The WQuote:
Originally Posted by hotnikks
no shit, i remember the gravel pit single did really well back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kutman
Real question... at this point, if any Wu producer you like puts together an album from left over recordings, verse here, verse there, would you mind it because it wasn't recorded conventionally or would you not mind as long as the shit sounded good? I'm curious.
What fans miss is the energy they had when they where young and hungry. The same goes with rzas production. The problem now as I see it is that everyone has their own careers to focus on and send in verses. If they could get together maybe rent a house as when they did before and work on music as a unit they could probably bang out a dope and focused album. I felt the last albums felt like just a random collection of random songs.
In my humble but experienced opinion, the energy comes from the production. Their delivery reflects the beat and the vibe of it.
if it sounds good, it sounds goodQuote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
also it'd be a shame to see previously unused verses just wither away in an archive
If it's good music it's good music. But also what you're describing doesn't count as a 'proper' Wu-Tang Clan LP since somebody else is putting it together out of already existing material.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
I want to hear what they will do now as a group, with Ghostface at the helm, artistic progression etc. I don't need more Wu style production, there's literally 30 years of classics and a gang of underground artists doing it. I'd rather hear RZA get even weirder with the beats.
^ Just releasing a whole (double) album of any unreleased songs from the 90s and 00s would be a massive hit. No need to make new versions, just remaster it and promote it right.
Yes they can, but only members and some affiliates on the album
Really does not matter to me, I just want aggressive rhymes and dark beats.
Wouldn't mind as long as the music was tight. In fact, I'd prefer the final product being in a producer's hands b/c then they'd have the opportunity to flesh out the song more around the vocals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
Also, you'd know more than me but I get the feeling many Wu emcees would likely reuse a verse from an unreleased track so you'd probably have to do a lot of editing running through the vaults anyway.