Do over albums

There’s a lot of Wu albums, especially this century, that we’d like to see get a do over…change the beats, features, etc. The first that comes to mind for me is Wu Massacre. That’s gotta be the biggest disappointment in Wu history, as far as albums are considered. That should’ve been a slam dunk project, even the videos they made to hype the album were amazing. Remember those gritty videos inspired by the movie Seven? Anyway, the album was too short, recycled verses, recycled beats, lackluster beats. Basically the art covers were the best thing about it.

Other one is Shaolin vs Wu Tang and Big Doe Rehab. Not bad, but had the potential to be a lot better. In the end, it’s always about the lackluster beats

Uncontrolled Substance (maybe not a "do over" not a "do what was originally done") and Tical 0

All Masta Killa albums after his second.

U-God's solo debut.

Tical 0 w/ RZA production.

Cappa's 2nd album

Sunz Of Man's first official album.

I like Uncontrolled Substance for what it is. (OG beats would have been even better of course, but it's still a dope album to me.) Likewise, I love Shaolin vs. Wu-Tang. FILA needs better beats though.

I agree on Wu Massacre.

U-God' 2nd album & Hillside scramblers are beyond repair.

Mr Xcitement needs to be erased from history

this track is alright though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xPcS8PG8bs

Wholeheartedly agree with Goldenchild on Wu Massacre. Definitely don't judge an album by its cover...

My nomination for a redux is Immobilarity. Bitterly disappointed with that bloated piece of trash.

Keep: Sneakers, Live from New York and The Table.

Bin the rest.

Turn the intro skit beat (jurassic Park sample) into a full song.

98/99 True Master was in his prime. Rae should've got some jewels from True for this project.

A Better Tomorrow - It's not a terrible album and it has some high points but the bulk of the album is based on those meandering live band instrumentals from RZA. Also some of the song concepts and hooks are weak. Some of the rapping was Wu on autopilot.

Strum did a great job of reimagining ABT lo-fi style:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFtnhjdHqSU

We've all said this before but they should have marked out a few months at the Wu mansion and vibed and knocked it out. I think it took RZA years to finish, and it has that low energy of being pieced together and contrived.

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Originally Posted by Goldenchild

Shaolin vs Wu Tang

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I really like that album, some bangers for sure on it.



Disappointment : almost every Wu album after Supreme Clientele, they lost that raw feeling they had between 93-97.

Sunz of Man's Last Shall Be First is a classic - but the sequencing is off. Starts kind of lacklustre but builds to a crescendo.

Wu-Massacre was a missed opportunity. Just feels like an album of leftovers and remixes (which it is).

Better Tomorrow has grown on me over time, notwithstanding a few missteps and bad choices.

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Originally Posted by hotnikks

Mr Xcitement needs to be erased from history

this track is alright though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xPcS8PG8bs

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https://youtu.be/H7AAix301qg

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Originally Posted by Apocalypse

I really like that album, some bangers for sure on it.



Disappointment : almost every Wu album after Supreme Clientele, they lost that raw feeling they had between 93-97.

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I really like SvWT too...

I was thinking about this. Because you have album that are just really weak or uninspired. And you have some albums that are good, but just don't cut it. Which ones deserve a do over? Would you rather take the weakest one, or the stronger one?

Because I think both would take a lot of work. If you have something that is already good, making is timeless or great would require a lot of tinkering. But with a weak album, you basically have a new canvas, that is if it can be saved at all.

Streetlife’s debut. Beats were weak as fuck..

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Originally Posted by 3rdEyeVizion

Streetlife’s debut. Beats were weak as fuck..

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Yes! I forgot about that one..I just remember being super disappointed

Same with Return Of The Prodigal Sunn. Beats on there were ass.

I think the W and Tical. The W was too much of a change for the Wu and Gravel Pit is the worst Wu song of all time lol. Tical needs to be done over again because the beats/sound were too hard for Meth. Rza was on a Gravediggaz tip at the time and Meth isn’t that type of rapper.

I agree about Tical. Never felt that album. Bring the Pain is the only classic on there..

The W is fantastic, and wasn't a dramatic change either - more like an update to 36 Chambers style.

A lot of albums are easy to fix just by cutting the 4-5 weak tracks. I'd rather have 11 dope tracks than a mixed 16.

I would say ABT, BPW, Tical 0, and probably just leaving a lot of Cappadonna records on the cutting room floor.

you guys are tripping about Tical imo..that album is great. I thought Meth's rhymes over the beats were a perfect fit.

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Originally Posted by zooruka

I think the W and Tical. The W was too much of a change for the Wu and Gravel Pit is the worst Wu song of all time lol. Tical needs to be done over again because the beats/sound were too hard for Meth. Rza was on a Gravediggaz tip at the time and Meth isn’t that type of rapper.

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The double disc remaster from a few years back addresses some of the sound issues. I have 40% hearing loss on low tones in one ear so when even I can spot the difference after a remaster it means there's some really audible changes everyone else would definitely notice / enjoy. I especially heard a difference on the low end, which was much more noticeable in the mix

of course a remaster doesn't change beats etc so there's that

definitely not one of the better solo albums in the first round, remaster or not. there's 6 classic songs and a great remix on there, one solid song and the other songs are kind of 'just there' to me, because of the beats.

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Originally Posted by hiphopjunky

you guys are tripping about Tical imo..that album is great. I thought Meth's rhymes over the beats were a perfect fit.

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I'm gonna play that remaster tonight and see how those songs hit me that sort of pass me by normally : What the blood clot, Sub crazy, PLO style, I get my thang in action and Stimulation

I still bump sub crazy frequently lol

But i love aggressive hop-hop...I think the hard beat and Meth's aggressive flow are perfect together (I love him over those kinds of beats like Dangerous Grounds, Run 4 Cover, Project Music, etc)

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Originally Posted by zooruka

I think the W and Tical. The W was too much of a change for the Wu and Gravel Pit is the worst Wu song of all time lol. Tical needs to be done over again because the beats/sound were too hard for Meth. Rza was on a Gravediggaz tip at the time and Meth isn’t that type of rapper.

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No disrespect but Gravel Pit was a major hit and they had to have a commercial single given that moment/era in hip hop.