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remedy has dropped this song on every project since '98 on the swarm album
He said awhile back that he will be putting it on every release of his. Peace
"Yes"
Trying to program Zionism into blacks is why most Jews are in hip-hop. RZA is sus for letting this plant into the Wu. Goes against everything he claimed he stands for. Same nigga hanging out with the Weinsteins too.
I think Remedy is the son of the lawyer that used by RZA back in the dayQuote:
Originally Posted by Sam the Seed
Thats not trueQuote:
Originally Posted by SHEEPISH LORD OF CHAOS
^^^ that's my recollection as well actually, back when Seen it All/Everything is Real dropped. I always assumed it to be true
until you are a radicalized zionist baby killer?
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Originally Posted by RADIOACTIVE MAN
Yiou may not support today's Israel but the song is about the Holocaust and killing of million of innocent people. I'm from Poland and my family members were killed in the concentration camp
And let it be known that those particular Jewish bredren have all my support and did not deserve the atrocities that happened to them but I’m sure you do know the man I’m question here is a hardcore supporter of what’s going on in Palestine right now and his intent for releasing the song is to garner support for this war going on right now . I was careful to throw the Zionist label in there as I’m well aware that not every Jewish person supports and adheres to Zionist tactics .Quote:
Originally Posted by soob
I know what's going on and I hate Israel for that and I support Palestine but it doesnt change anything. Even if all Jews supported the horror that's happening right now, it doesn't change the fact that Jews and other nations (as my ancestors who were Polish as I am) were killed in concentration camps. It only shows that people don't learn nothing from historyQuote:
Originally Posted by RADIOACTIVE MAN
And no one should be repeating the very history their ancestors went through.
What other meaning does "Never Again" have than Zionism? If it means "Never another Holocaust", Remedy wouldn't be a Zionist. But he is. He uses the Holocaust to support Zionism. And thats why the Holocaust originally happened. Rothschilds funded WW2 and Zionist Jews supported Nazi Germany moving Europe's Jews to Palestine. They got their wish and then let Germany take the fall, while sending all the Nazis who were complicit to nice cushy government jobs in America. Operation Paperclip.
"Never again" is a Zionist slogan. If they don't want another Holocaust, they need to give up Zionism. Zionism is why the Holocaust happened and innocent Jews paid for the evil of Zionist ones. As bad as innocent Muslims dying now because of a Hamas attack which is exaggerated and orchestrated by... ZIONIST ISRAEL.
Look up Sabbatean-Frankism. At least a million Jews in Europe believed their messiah came a few centuries ago. But he was forced to convert to Islam because he taught Jews should commit evil acts for God to give them Israel. The talmud, which has been the authority for Rabbinic Judaism for the last 2000 years, teaches the same thing.
Zionists did the Holocaust, just like they did October 7th, 9/11 and JFK's assassination, so they can take more of Palestine. Because their religion tells them Jews are superior and protected by God no matter what they do. And that non-Jews should be ruled and seen as less human.
And RZA knows all of this because of the NOI and 5 Percenters. He doesn't care because he's in league with Zionists like the Weinsteins because he was always about himself more than the Wu, Islam or Mathematics, unlike ODB. Notice: some of the Wu preach Jesus will come back to save us all from the AntiChrist, while the others preach black Muslims are Jesus here to stop Zionism Half the Wu do business with Zionists while the other half don't want to go to Diddy's gay parties.
I love how everyone keeps taking it to the holocaust when the question is about the timing of him always dropping the song , especially when there is a war against Palestine . Especially when he has been chest out about how much he supports the bombing and destruction of Palestinians . Let’s not play coy here and pretend he doesn’t know what he is doing .
but sure , please fo enlighten me when Palestinians killed 6 million people in attempts to wipe them off the map. I will wait .
I know Jewish people who have more empathy for this situation and know it’s wrong to target civilians and kids and wouldn’t dare make excuses for these atrocities with semantics . What point are y’all trying to make right now?
I don't know if you're replying to me. I was replying to the Polish guy saying the song is just about the Holocaust and not Israel. My point is Remedy is an ignorant shill exploiting the Holocaust so he can play Wu Killa Bee and vacation in an apartheid state. I don't doubt Remedy really cares about the Holocaust but putting the song "Never Again" on every album is him being unapologetic about Israel. Because there's no fucking threat of another Holocaust. White nationalists support Israel because they want Jews to have their own country while Nazis get to run this one.
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Originally Posted by Sam the Seed
NO I AGREE WITH YOU TOTALLY. I was adding on. you said it all perfectly
I don't think the Wu does much preaching nowadays. In fact, their preaching days mostly ended in 1997 with Wu-Tang Forever. Maybe Killah Priest is still preachingQuote:
Originally Posted by Sam the Seed
Anyway, Muslims do in fact believe Jesus is the Messiah and will come back to defeat the Antichrist. Then Jesus will rule the Earth for 40 years afterward, eventually die a natural death, and be buried in Medina next to Muhammad. So the teachings say
Yeah, no. What some Muslims believe does not apply to all or most. There's nothing in the Qur'an mentioning an AntiChrist or saying Jesus returns. There are Muslim myths in hadiths written 200 years after Muhammad died. And these legends became popular in the last century because of Wahhabism, which is a Zionist movement created by the Saudis when they took over Arabia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldenchild
Watch RZA's movie "The Man with the Iron Fists 2". Its all about the AntiChrist coming and Jesus stopping him. Its basically Christian Zionist propaganda. ODB and the NOI which 5 Percenters come from believe there is no God except the black man. They might be Zionist-controlled now under Farrakhan but they don't believe in Jesus coming back. Nor do Muslims who aren't Salafist fundamentalists.
I don't know about Killah Priest. Hell Razah lost his mind and calls himself Rabbi Rubee or something and preaches Black Israelite stuff. Holocaust was the most obvious talking about Zionism and also lost his mind believing Jesus will return. IMO, RZA stopped the group's political and religious mission. He switched to New World Order "peace" and humanism like KRS-One and Public Enemy did. Totally stopped talking about black power and white supremacy. They get a call. Steve Rifkin is probably RZA's handler. He says they still hang out.
The Zionists running rap killed conscious hip-hop by bringing in gangsta rap. Wu Tang was the last trying to do both, like 2Pac was. You're right "Forever" wasthe last time they were militant. And thats the last time ODB was really in the group.
Salute, Radioactive!
listen, i agree with you on the zionism thing myself, but ive learned that there are many jews who both shun and love israel for different reasons. Idk why. But i dont judge them for it. It comes from a place of trauma imo so i dont call them zionist schills. The whole israel thing is way deeper than jews at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam the Seed
i only say this because many talk about “jews” when they mean the ones on top who are most likely more “zionists” than religious jews. Some jews say israel goes against god. Some just want to be safe. Its not a easy answer no matter which side you look at it. The history tells me the jews on top will sacrifice as many of the ones on the bottom as they can to get what they want. But even this is not a jewish phenomenon and will happen with the sheiks in arabia and the cia wasp christians in the west, etc Whether the ones on the bottom are brainwashed or what, i cant say. But i agree with your assessment but i think we should he careful how we apply it to others who disagree with us
i say that because im noticing people say bad shit about remedy because hes jewish and supports israel. He aint the only one. But on some side shit, as someone who grew up on staten island, remedy was a cool guy who was kinda good to the neighborhood. So i say that from that side of the table. His politics are opposite mine but i respect his position.
Congratulations on your 1,000th post. You been putting in work
I don’t have much of an opinion on this either way. But you reminded me of the conspiracy theory about gangsta rap being pushed in the early 90s as a way to curb 5% conscious rap and replace it with songs about murder and sex. It’s an interesting theory. But I don’t want to call everything that’s evil “Zionism,” even though I am fervently anti-Zionist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam the Seed
Another thing. I remember when The Man with the Iron Fist came out and some dudes were calling it the first movie ever made by a Five Percenter (probably true) and that people should go support it in theaters. Too bad the movie wasn’t that good
I thought it was good. People's expectations were probably too high
I don't even wanna debate with those people are trying to blame everything for Zionism and tell that Jews made holocaust for themselves but you're raising a fair point. As for the timing - he drops this song every now and then so I dont think that the fact it drops when they're a war in Israel really matters in this case. The fact is the war's been there for mad yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by RADIOACTIVE MAN
It wasn’t bad, just decent. But you can’t take it seriously. It’s fun in a campy way. I just thought RZA making a kung fu homage would be like Tarantino’s Pei Mei scenes from Kill Bill 2. That’s a real homage. RZA’s movie seemed the opposite of kung fu. Tarantino actually did a great job replicating 70s kung fu cinemaQuote:
Originally Posted by David Daniel Davis
I love RZA and he's the legendary producer and probably one of the best beatmakers ever but when it comes to film making stuff he's really average. Comparing him to Tarantino is out of the placeQuote:
Originally Posted by Goldenchild
Nah, I can't agree with any of that. It doesn't matter if you support Israel because of the Holocaust. The Holocaust gives nobody a reason to give someone's land away, kill the people and put them into little ghettos and move in thousands of people who keep stealing land and killing people. And something like 90% of Israelis support what Israel has done to Gaza since Oct. They just want a ceasefire now because the world has turned on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForensikZ
Remedy knows exactly what it is and the history of Israel. RZA put him and Cilvaringz on that song "Jew vs Muslim" or whatever and he defended Israel while Cilva exposed it.
I already know tons of Jews are anti-Israel. But the ones who support Israel are 100% cool with the Nakhba and taking the land and killing anyone to keep that land. Videos everywhere of regular Israeli kids and young people calling Arabs animals who should be murdered.
Its mandatory you go into the IDF after high school. They're programmed to hate Arabs and believe stealing their land was good because another Holocaust will happen if they leave. They're Jewish Nazis. Because the Nazis worked for Jews. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
First "Iron Fists" was trash. Because the movie started as Tarantino & RZA's movie but Tarantino left and used all the ideas in Django Unchained. RZA brought in Tarantino's stooge Eli Roth and they added a bunch of Zionist cornball shit. People can deny it, but if you know what Zionist Jews believe about Gentiles, black people, other religions, etc. its obvious. The movie was supposed to be about RZA and 2 Asian dudes fighting the villains. Roth made it a sleazy comedy where Russell Crow shows up and make "Me rikey!" racist jokes and sleeps with 10 Chinese women. Thats what they do. They take black art and make it buffoonery for white consumption to attack their enemies: Muslims, pan-Africanists, Asians & anti-Zionist whites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldenchild
But I totally believe the conspiracy theory about gangsta rap because the CIA has been exposed as connecting with a lot of them like Snoop. And Dr. Dre and Puffy are both GAY stooges of Jewish music producers.
It doesn't make sense that about 9/10 top rappers were 5 Percenters and then overnight everything switches to Booty Bass and gangsta rap, all homosexual and degenerate, even in NYC. Look at how BET's ownership switched. And Jews got paid off all of it. Ice Cube was saying it until they gave him a Hollywood career to shut him up.
But watch Iron Fist 2. RZA made it years later with less studio interference. Its basically everythign the first film was supposed to be. But he puts in some anti-Judaism stuff. Problem is he puts in all this "Jesus will return to save us" junk, which is exactly what Zionists want. Because its still saying Israel should exist.
Because you're a Zionist. I don't know why you're denying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by soob
You frame Zionism as just thinking Jews deserve their own country. Even if that was true, it would be nonsense. You don't get to take anybody's land just because something happened to you or a book you wrote said God gave it to you forever.
But most Zionists aren't even Jewish, even tho most Jews are Zionist. People want Jews to have Israel so their End Times prophecies will come true. Thats why Christians were killing millions of Muslims in the Crusades to take Jerusalem. They don't care about Jews. I just told you Zionists sacrificed millions of Jews in the Holocaust and millions more in WW2, just to take Israel back. And all you care about is the dumb ass, racist, genocidal Israelis who moved in being forced to go back to Europe where they belong?
This is why I don't respect any Zionists. They put Jews before anyone else, no matter what. So they get away with anything and can't ever accept being wrong or accountable.
There’s no way Iron Fist 2 is better than the original. It’s a direct-to-video release directed by a television director. You gotta look at these movies artistically, not ideologicallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Sam the Seed
Thats some ignorant logic. Thats like saying an album is worse if its indie and not on a major. Says a lot about your knowledge of movies too because indie movies are usually better, especially martial arts action films. I doubt you've even seen the film because RZA is in it twice as much, hired a bunch of legit martial artists and respected Asian actors and its all about Buddhism, which is what he wanted the first to be about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldenchild
I didn’t see the sequel, I just based it off the audience and critics overwhelmingly negative reactions. It doesn’t seem that much of an improvement over the first one. RZA definitely should not have acted in either movies. The problem is the movies are too gaudy and sleek for a supposed old school kung fu homage. Again, it should’ve been like Tarantino’s Pei Mei scenes from Kill Bill 2. But that takes certain skillsQuote:
Originally Posted by Sam the Seed
Bro, don't take critics' word tho. WATCH am ovie before you say its bad. If they hated the 1st movie, they're gonna hate the 2nd. Especially if there's an agenda to keep RZA out of directing. He got that little directing gig just because he begged Tarantino for years. The 2nd movie is like a real old school Golden Harvest/Shaw Bros kung fu film. The 1st was some corny Kill Bill/Enter the Dragon jokey shit because they forced Eli Roth on RZA.
I'm not saying its amazing and yeah they got some B-list director to replace RZA as director. Thats because the first film flopped and they don't let you direct again if you flop. RZA probably had to agree with the studio to let a more experienced guy direct, but RZA still wrote it. And he produced it unlike the 1st movie. Its not even a comedy like the 1st one was.
The first one sucked. Second one sucked even more. No doubt about it. Next to that, RZA only co-wrote it. He did not direct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldenchild
There is a lot of history to the first one. RZA had been trying for years to get a Kung Fu film of the ground. You can see this all way back with The Night The Earth Cried by Gravediggaz. After that, in the early 2000's, some footage leaked online of test scenes for an unnamed Kung Fu project with RZA's sifu, Shi Yan Ming. As far as I know, that never materialized.
What are the sources for these claims this was a joint QT x RZA project? QT rarely does collaborations. He might do a scene or story, but a movie together? Seems Roth was always involved according to wikipedia.
Quentin Tarantino was more of a co sign. Rza basically used his name to gain acceptance. Basically a stamp from him. Like Quentin Tarantino saying, "This is my understudy, go support him."
RZA only co-wrote the 1st one, so who cares if he only co-wrote the 2nd? What matters is RZA PRODUCED the 2nd which means more of his vision remained. And they replaced RZA as director because he's not capable of directing a big overseas project while being on-screen more than in the first movie. None of that shit has anything to do with the quality of the film either. Y'all say the 1st one is shit, then why is the sequel worse because RZA didn't direct it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jet Set
My sources are RZA saying in interviews and press that Tarantino was helping produce his first film. Tarantino didn't end up producing TMWTIF but Eli Roth did, who is Tarantino's lackey. Not to mention the fact "Django" is the same basic plot as "Iron Fists" and doesn't seem anything like what Tarantino would make himself. He did the same shit with "From Dusk Til Dawn". Tarantiono was going to make "Demon Knight" the Tales/Crypt movie then left the project and made "Dawn" out of spite with Robert Rodriguez.
I don't know when Roth got involved but Wiki is not a good source. Never have I heard Roth is a kung fu head. Its obvious he was brought in because the studio didn't trust RZA as a first time director and writer, so Roth added all the goofy, racist grindhouse shit which a bunch of Hollywood Jews would love.
"QT rarely does collaborations"
What are you talking about? Pulp Fiction was Roger Avery's original script. Jackie Brown was based on a novel. Tarantino made his career being a script doctor rewriting other people's work. Thats exactly what he was going to do on Iron Fists. And there's the fact other directors have directed his scripts before (Natural Born Killers, True Romance). And 2 films with Rodriguez.
RZA's first kung fu project was a Bobby Digital film, which the album was originally a soundtrack for. He released tons of pics and video clips of it but never finished it. You can find some on old Ground Zero kung fu dvds that Wu Tang produced. But then Tarantino got RZA to do the music for KIll Bill in exchange for helping produce TMWTIF. Tarantino left the project over creative differences with the studio and made Django instead. Roth replaced him because he's Dollar Store Tarantino.
And the way Django turned out as a Blaxploitation Western, its probable that RZA's project was still a Bobby Digital movie when Tarantino was still attached.
The sequel is worse because it is worse regardless. Maybe it is even worse because RZA produced it. In any case, both films suck. 2nd one more than the first one. It may have something to do with the budget, director, producer or whatever. But don't put words in my mouth. I did not say it is worse because RZA did not direct it. I'm just saying I think the 2nd one was more crap, and noticed RZA did not direct it, the budget was down, and the film just did not work.Quote:
RZA only co-wrote the 1st one, so who cares if he only co-wrote the 2nd? What matters is RZA PRODUCED the 2nd which means more of his vision remained. And they replaced RZA as director because he's not capable of directing a big overseas project while being on-screen more than in the first movie. None of that shit has anything to do with the quality of the film either. Y'all say the 1st one is shit, then why is the sequel worse because RZA didn't direct it?
And I stand by my Tarantino comments. Can not see him doing this project together with RZA. The Tarantino Presents is nothing more than a RZA Presents being slapped on a film. He did it for Iron Monkey and Hero too.
btw, bobby digital in stereo was finished. It was even showed at some festival some years ago. He just never released it for whatever reason. Might be that it was on par with No Limit movies.
Wiki is a pretty good source though because you can check the sources they use. Like this one, this one, and this one. If there is not source, it is sketchy and needs to be checked. Like your claims. As far as I can see, even though Tarantino produced it, his involvement seems to be minimal.
A well. The movie still sucks and Remedy is suspect for releasing Never Again during a genocide being perpetrated by Zionists.
You said Tarantino doesn't do collaborations. Thats total bullshit. And he "presented" those finished films because Miramax/the Weinsteins released those films and he was their top director. He didn't bring them here. TMWTIF, on the other hand was NOT from Miramax and Tarantino was attached to its production BEFORE it was made.
Wiki is not a good source if your claim is Eli Roth was always attached to the film. Because there is no fucking source. You're deducing that the same as my "claims", so miss me with your "sources".
Funny how you ignored the similarities between Django and TMWTIF and Tarantino making his own version of Demon Knight after leaving a film in the same fashion. Its ridiculous acting like this is impossible unless there's a source proving it, Wikipedia being the most absurd example.
How does Bobby Digital being shelved prevent RZA from bringing the same concepts into his first RELEASED movie?
"The sequel is worse because it is worse" Your opinion is irrelevant if you can't even give an informed explanation . You're mad touchy & getting personal because of previous times we argued that you're still salty about. You injected yourself into a convo I had with someone else, looking to argue. "The movie's bad because I say its bad". Alright, man. You don't like the movie. I do. Move on.
Do your little response because I'm not going to reply to it. You're trying to distract from the Israel criticism.
My original point is TMWTIF2 has an anti-Jewish, pro-Christian message and its probably because of the negative experience RZA had with the 1st film where Zionist Eli Roth took over the script. If you hated the original, check out the sequel. Dudes getting heated in the comments about me recommending a fucking movie to strangers are heated because of what I said is in the movie, not because it might be a bad movie.
I didn’t expect this to turn into an Iron Fist/movie discussion. In any case, I think filmmaking (and acting) may not be for RZA. I expected too much and was blinded by his music. Never mind Tarantino, RZA doesn’t even have Robert Rodriguez level of craftsmanship when it comes to making movies. That’s too bad, but at least he tried. I gotta rewatch Iron Fist and see if it holds up as campy fun at the very least. I don’t know why I thought RZA could make a Kill Bill type martial arts movie
Yeah, I'm mad people got sidetracked because I only brought it up because of the sequel's commentary on Zionism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldenchild
But this is the last post I'll make on the movie on this thread. First movie is mixed. I don't care what anyone says. I worked in Hollywood film-making. RZA had handlers. Its not unlikely that they used the DP or 2nd unit/action director to direct half the film, which is actually standard practice for 1st time directors that the studio don't believe in. The scenes which are obviously directed by the RZA (ones where he's actually in them or the tone is more serious) are actually good. The scenes that are campy Grindhouse shit are terrible.
Some of the action is good. Some is awful Power Rangers shit that I know RZA didn't want because I know his taste in kung fu and which kung fu he finds shitty.
IMO, RZA understands filmmaking. TMWTIF was not his vision at all and he was conforming to what the studios wanted. The man knows too much about kung fu to make that bullshit with Batista and racist jokes about Asian people. Same way his Prince Rakeem music was him selling out, thats what the 1st film is.
The 2nd film is better for all the reasons I've already explained. Real martial arts. Real respect for Chinese history and kung fu. No stupid humor. No shitty celebrity cameos. Way more RZA. I do wish he directed it, but if you flop hard in Hollywood, you don't get another shot. So him not directing Part 2 doesn't mean its worse or its less of a RZA film. The PRODUCER matters more than the director or writer. And he clearly learned that. Thats why he's more interested in producing like the Wu TV series.
Form your own opinion. I'm not saying my word is God. I think Kill Bill is absolute Orientalist, "white washing"garbage and Tarantino is a hack. His take on Bruce Lee is proof of that.