Why God exists IMO

this is jus my opinion and i dont want to cause offense, but wud like 2 discuss this....

my beleif in God is simple because

how can man b like man.....you kno we have 'hands' 'legs' all adapted to natural surrounding and how we 'work' on the universe, and i dont beleive this mcould b a coincidence born out of 'the big bang', there musty b some intelligent force. Fair enough for the view of evolution, but for anythin to develop, for any foundation to 'build' there must b a planner behind it.....e.g. God.

lookin 4ward 2 readin ur views.

i dont think its a coincidence either
its just to perfect or so its seems

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could it have been any other way?

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Originally Posted by LHX

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could it have been any other way?

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yes, there are countless possibilities, and possible explanations that are beyond the grasp of the human mind. but it does not mean that god or and intelligent being is an architect. it's just one of coutless possibilities.

God exists to keep all us motherfuckas on our toes.

yep defo...good will always prevail evil....

i think god is just human conscious

i think God is IN the human conscious but also exists.....i wudnt say he was just...

To say there is no God is saying that everything that exist today was an accident. There is no such thing as an accident. God does exist.


"The probability of life originating from an accident is comparable to the probability of the Unabridged Dictionary resulting from an explosion in a printing shop." -J.C. Monsma

I agree with you and that's the same reason I believe in something...(definitely not the contemporary God). Like our bodies just work too perfectly (digestive system, birth, all that amazing stuff) for it to come through evolution. Somebody/thing must have made us.

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Originally Posted by ThePrincePoetik

this is jus my opinion and i dont want to cause offense, but wud like 2 discuss this....

my beleif in God is simple because

how can man b like man.....you kno we have 'hands' 'legs' all adapted to natural surrounding and how we 'work' on the universe, and i dont beleive this mcould b a coincidence born out of 'the big bang', there musty b some intelligent force. Fair enough for the view of evolution, but for anythin to develop, for any foundation to 'build' there must b a planner behind it.....e.g. God.

lookin 4ward 2 readin ur views.

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Peace, I understand where you're coming from with your opinion about thinking its too much of a coinsidence that we got arms and legs to be active with what we do. But this is your logic because your used to this. You consider it normal cause everyone has them. But what if we didnt have legs and arms, or even heads? What if we all were complete different beings that we are now, would that still be normal? There wouldnt be any coincidence there cause we wouldnt have those organs, right? God didnt necesarrily gave us these organs. I know this is complicated but what I'm trying to say is that if it's not necesarrily logical for us to adapt to a planet that we might have created ourselfs...

When your done compreheding that, ask yourself the question: If god created everything, from earth to man, who or what created God? After all, everything has a beginning and an ending.

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Originally Posted by MaShPG

I agree with you and that's the same reason I believe in something...(definitely not the contemporary God). Like our bodies just work too perfectly (digestive system, birth, all that amazing stuff) for it to come through evolution. Somebody/thing must have made us.

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Peace, you're saying you don't believe in evolution? The evolution theory has actually been scientifically proven. I dont understand why some people go out of the way of this theory, it has been verified and proven that we DO come from animals, it is an actual fact.

I see where that might have been confusing; I believe in evolution, but not evolution alone. Things fell into place too perfectly to attribute everything to evolution. If you've ever studied biology you know how perfectly made the human body is, and I can't believe it just evolved into that.

Ok I understand, but, are you able to answer my other question?

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If god created everything, from earth to man, who or what created God? After all, everything has a beginning and an ending.

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I wish I knew.

Thats the common reaction I get from that. Thats the reason I DONT believe in any god..

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Originally Posted by denaturat

yes, there are countless possibilities, and possible explanations that are beyond the grasp of the human mind. but it does not mean that god or and intelligent being is an architect. it's just one of coutless possibilities.

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lmao

in an infinite universe all possibilities exist

I think God is something humans invented to explain the unexplainable...

Peace

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Originally Posted by MaShPG

I see where that might have been confusing; I believe in evolution, but not evolution alone. Things fell into place too perfectly to attribute everything to evolution. If you've ever studied biology you know how perfectly made the human body is, and I can't believe it just evolved into that.

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Whats so perfect about it?


People act like humans are so important and the universe revolves around us. We are only a blip on the scale of time.

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Originally Posted by tancen

I think God is something humans invented to explain the unexplainable...

Peace

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the alternative view is that god created humans to define himself

Well You Gotta Ask Where Did The Term 'god' Come From? Religion Was Created By Man, Laws Were Created By Man, Gods Were Created By Man. During Ancient Times The Greeks Believed In Dozens And Dozens Of Gods; God Of Sun, God Of War, Go Of The Wind, God Of Fire Etc. Buddahism Believes In Reincarnation, I Mean Come On Who Really Knows For Sure?

What Tickles My Pickel Is The Mental And Emotional Aspect Of Humans, Our Souls. I Think You'll Find More Enlightening Answers To The Questions Than Looking At Evidence. Why Do We Dream? Why Do We Feel Guilt And Remorse? Why Do We Kill? Why Do We Love? Why Do We Only Use 10% Of Our Minds?

Is This All From God? Who Knows, Because I Don't. Maybe Some Light Will Shed Upon Me As I Get Older And Wiser

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Peace, I understand where you're coming from with your opinion about thinking its too much of a coinsidence that we got arms and legs to be active with what we do. But this is your logic because your used to this. You consider it normal cause everyone has them. But what if we didnt have legs and arms, or even heads? What if we all were complete different beings that we are now, would that still be normal? There wouldnt be any coincidence there cause we wouldnt have those organs, right? God didnt necesarrily gave us these organs. I know this is complicated but what I'm trying to say is that if it's not necesarrily logical for us to adapt to a planet that we might have created ourselfs...

When your done compreheding that, ask yourself the question: If god created everything, from earth to man, who or what created God? After all, everything has a beginning and an ending.

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...well thats the point, we are given those things...therfore there is a higher intelligence

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Originally Posted by MaShPG

I see where that might have been confusing; I believe in evolution, but not evolution alone. Things fell into place too perfectly to attribute everything to evolution. If you've ever studied biology you know how perfectly made the human body is, and I can't believe it just evolved into that.

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perfection?

biological evolution and cosmic development are chock full of trial and error and mistakes

a look at our genetic history, biological dvelopment and morphology alones shows evidence of this trial and error natural process.

we are hardly an example of perfection or perfect development.

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Originally Posted by MathMatician

What Tickles My Pickel Is The Mental And Emotional Aspect Of Humans, Our Souls. I Think You'll Find More Enlightening Answers To The Questions Than Looking At Evidence. Why Do We Dream? Why Do We Feel Guilt And Remorse? Why Do We Kill? Why Do We Love? Why Do We Only Use 10% Of Our Minds?

Is This All From God? Who Knows, Because I Don't. Maybe Some Light Will Shed Upon Me As I Get Older And Wiser

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why do we dream - simple result of neurological activity in the forebrain of what we call sentient beings... nothing special here

why do we feel guilt and remorse? - very simple, ingrained concepts of what is right and wrong couple with a sense of what is beneficial to a species vs detrimental to a species (this has an evolutionary basis and is evolutionarily advantageous)

Why do we kill ? - simple result of psychological and sociological factors

why do we love - simple evolutionary adaptation to ensure the survival of the species. romantic love is driven by testosterone and serotinin level increase and basically is an evolutionary adaptation designed to get a creature in the mode of looking for a potential mate...nothing special here

why do we use 10 of our brain? - incorrect myth.. we use 100% of our brains 100% of the time.... right now, im using 100% of my brain and so are u, whether u know it or not.....nothing special here

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Originally Posted by MaShPG

I see where that might have been confusing; I believe in evolution, but not evolution alone. Things fell into place too perfectly to attribute everything to evolution. If you've ever studied biology you know how perfectly made the human body is, and I can't believe it just evolved into that.

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thats an incorrect statement

when one studies biology, they learn exactlly how imperfect life is

Oh, I studied biology and I got the impression that life and the human body is so intricately and almost perfectly designed. I guess others have their own interpretations though.

i think those that justify the existence of god or a higher power with the arguement that "everything is too beautiful/perfect to be made by chance." are missing something very fundamental. this, to me falls apart almost immediately. whether something is beautiful or not is of course an opinion. know that saying, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder," ever wondered why it's not "beauty is in the eye of the creator?" mainly because, beauty is not factual evidence of anything, it is not evidence of a divine purpose, it is just evidence of your appreciation. it is only evidence of your opinion. you may think the world is beautiful, and so do i, but i don't for one minute let that make me think that some divine being made it.

my opinion is that religion is a device to control people and make them do what you want. people need answers for everything, and if we don't have them, we feel empty. of course this hurts, so you need to fill it with something, which is why the idea of god is very satisfying. work hard all your life, don't break the law, don't question those in power, in other words, have absolutely no fun at all, just contribute to the system of control, and when you die, you get some unconfirmed divine eternity, which by the way is a paradoxical notion anyway. it all smells a bit to me. this is why i am an extreme scientist in the context that i don't believe in any supernatural forces, no ghosts, no spirits, no god, no jesus, no heaven, no hell, no salvation, no eternity, just us on our sick, sad little planet, fucking ourselves out of existence with climate change, political instability and blind, blind ignorance. religion is a stumbling block on the path of human evolution. the sooner we get rid of it, the better. all religion breeds is ignorance, double standards, hypocrisy, pride, and conflict.

no, i don't believe in god.

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Originally Posted by My First Timbs

why do we dream - simple result of neurological activity in the forebrain of what we call sentient beings... nothing special here

why do we feel guilt and remorse? - very simple, ingrained concepts of what is right and wrong couple with a sense of what is beneficial to a species vs detrimental to a species (this has an evolutionary basis and is evolutionarily advantageous)

Why do we kill ? - simple result of psychological and sociological factors

why do we love - simple evolutionary adaptation to ensure the survival of the species. romantic love is driven by testosterone and serotinin level increase and basically is an evolutionary adaptation designed to get a creature in the mode of looking for a potential mate...nothing special here

why do we use 10 of our brain? - incorrect myth.. we use 100% of our brains 100% of the time.... right now, im using 100% of my brain and so are u, whether u know it or not.....nothing special here

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you seem like my kinda guy

Yo I found a page on internet about the proof of God. Definitely interesting. It'll maybe bring some more discussion whether it's valid or not?

http://www.doesgodexist.org/Phamplets/Mansproof.html

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Originally Posted by MaShPG

Oh, I studied biology and I got the impression that life and the human body is so intricately and almost perfectly designed. I guess others have their own interpretations though.

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it depends on your level of study and intricateness...

im not sure why u now state the qualifier "almost".. before perfection (something is either perfect or it is not.. if its almost perfect, its not perfect and thus the designer messed up somewhere..... )

any scientist or logical mind would tell u that "perfection" is a subjective assertion automatically biased by the presenter... how can something be perfect when we define perfection based on ourself as a subjective standard.

if one believes we are perfect, they must 1st tackle why do we possess useless wastefull deleterious genes in our genome?

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i think those that justify the existence of god or a higher power with the arguement that "everything is too beautiful/perfect to be made by chance." are missing something very fundamental. this, to me falls apart almost immediately. whether something is beautiful or not is of course an opinion. know that saying, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder," ever wondered why it's not "beauty is in the eye of the creator?" mainly because, beauty is not factual evidence of anything, it is not evidence of a divine purpose, it is just evidence of your appreciation. it is only evidence of your opinion. you may think the world is beautiful, and so do i, but i don't for one minute let that make me think that some divine being made it.

my opinion is that religion is a device to control people and make them do what you want. people need answers for everything, and if we don't have them, we feel empty. of course this hurts, so you need to fill it with something, which is why the idea of god is very satisfying. work hard all your life, don't break the law, don't question those in power, in other words, have absolutely no fun at all, just contribute to the system of control, and when you die, you get some unconfirmed divine eternity, which by the way is a paradoxical notion anyway. it all smells a bit to me. this is why i am an extreme scientist in the context that i don't believe in any supernatural forces, no ghosts, no spirits, no god, no jesus, no heaven, no hell, no salvation, no eternity, just us on our sick, sad little planet, fucking ourselves out of existence with climate change, political instability and blind, blind ignorance. religion is a stumbling block on the path of human evolution. the sooner we get rid of it, the better. all religion breeds is ignorance, double standards, hypocrisy, pride, and conflict.

no, i don't believe in god.

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"everything is too perfect to be made by chance" is right IMO. Everything on Earth fits together. Man was created then woman, who were made to breed together, for them to have an infinite line of descent (if there is no end). Water is vital for our survival on earth, it's been proved, so without it we wouldn't be here. So explain how could an explosion or whatever explanation you may think create two human genres that fit perfectly together, AND by coincidence place an almost infinite amount of water on Earth, which is the key to our survival ? There are infinite examples like this, that just grow up to be an infinite amount of coincidences.

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Originally Posted by Iron Fist

Yo I found a page on internet about the proof of God. Definitely interesting. It'll maybe bring some more discussion whether it's valid or not?

http://www.doesgodexist.org/Phamplets/Mansproof.html

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Some will maybe arguee this doesn't prove his presence, but it does reduce many atheist theories though.

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So explain how could an explosion or whatever explanation you may think create two human genres that fit perfectly together, AND by coincidence place an almost infinite amount of water on Earth, which is the key to our survival ? There are infinite examples like this, that just grow up to be an infinite amount of coincidences.

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im sorry but your standpoint (like many religious views , is based on ignorance and a lack of knowledge)

ignorance in and of itself is not a diss or insult.. it just describes a lack of knowledge.. i blame our school systems

u come to a conclusion based on your own personal questions and uncomfortable lack

1) u obviously dont understand big bang theory (big bang wasnt an "explosion")

2) the earth has no where near an "infinite amount of water"

3) by your reasoning there will indeed be an "infinite amount" of those examples because according to you reasoning, any and everything u dont fully understand u will quikly attribute to perfection and design

Dr. Timbs

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Some will maybe arguee this doesn't prove his presence, but it does reduce many atheist theories though.

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every last one of those arguments are old, outdated and invalid and do not reduce any atheistic claims

this forum never ceases to amaze me on the amount of invalid claims in the world

there is a serious disconnect/breakdown of critical thinking.............. but i am optimistic that humanity will overcome this "Era of Error"

(i think thats gonna be my new slogan, lol) gonna get logos and t shirts printed up)..

real talk

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Originally Posted by My First Timbs

im sorry but your standpoint (like many religious views , is based on ignorance and a lack of knowledge)

ignorance in and of itself is not a diss or insult.. it just describes a lack of knowledge.. i blame our school systems

u come to a conclusion based on your own personal questions and uncomfortable lack

1) u obviously dont understand big bang theory (big bang wasnt an "explosion")

2) the earth has no where near an "infinite amount of water"

3) by your reasoning there will indeed be an "infinite amount" of those examples because according to you reasoning, any and everything u dont fully understand u will quikly attribute to perfection and design

Dr. Timbs

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Infinite amount of water -->`correction, renewable amount of water. Yeah this was a little bit of an exanageration, though it wasn't as you seem to always say as an opposition "lack of knowledge". An exageration BTW is a linguistic device used to amplify an opinion or whatever.

Infinite again was another exaggeration, but still there is a multitude of other coincidences.

That's what I learned about the Big Bang. Looks like I was wrong. Can you explain me this theory then ?

it wouldnt of been an exxageration if it wasnt brought attention to..

but thats neither here nor there

the earth doesnt have an infinite amount of renewable water either. everytime water is filtered or renewed into aother source, the original volume's molecular mass is degraded/diminished.. so its a finite amount to a calculatable volume of water on the planet we have (even taking into account rainfal and water created via byroducts of hydrolosis reactions!)

the arguments u presented are not coincidences.. they are what is known in the scientific field as "forced correlations".. they are subjective and invalid..what u define as a coincidence... some objective 3rd party alien from the planet Crypton will not see as a coincidence at all... think objectiveley !

big bang is a complicated theory, i suggest u familiarize yourself with its tenets and basics.. explosion implies a particle exploding and expanding out into space..this isnt how u should think of it......

god is a construction of ancient society to answer the unanswerable.

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i think those that justify the existence of god or a higher power with the arguement that "everything is too beautiful/perfect to be made by chance." are missing something very fundamental. this, to me falls apart almost immediately. whether something is beautiful or not is of course an opinion. know that saying, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder," ever wondered why it's not "beauty is in the eye of the creator?" mainly because, beauty is not factual evidence of anything, it is not evidence of a divine purpose, it is just evidence of your appreciation. it is only evidence of your opinion. you may think the world is beautiful, and so do i, but i don't for one minute let that make me think that some divine being made it.

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we arent talkin about beauty...beauty is aesthetic its individual to each and every person while the creation of man is grouped as a whole- hence the beleif a higher intelligence has created this.

why do we dream - simple result of neurological activity in the forebrain of what we call sentient beings... nothing special here
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Bullshit, because I get dreams on certain things that are nowhere near my conscious or deep thoughts. Just look at last night, I dreamed of some dude I knew by face in high school and hardly spoke with. Mother fucka was doing some decathelon shit and i'm on the side with somebody talking. And I was always an athlete in h.s. so one cannot say that i was a sideliner and this cat never crossed my mind ever. and then some random lady was lifting up her skirt exploiting her panties in public but she was only looking at me; but that i think i can explain that part though------------
why do we feel guilt and remorse? - very simple, ingrained concepts of what is right and wrong couple with a sense of what is beneficial to a species vs detrimental to a species (this has an evolutionary basis and is evolutionarily advantageous)
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you didn't explain much there. Knowing right and wrong and giving a shit from right and wrong are to different things---------

Why do we kill ? - simple result of psychological and sociological factors
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For a portion, not all. Plenty of stable minded and functional individuals kill.
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why do we love - simple evolutionary adaptation to ensure the survival of the species. romantic love is driven by testosterone and serotinin level increase and basically is an evolutionary adaptation designed to get a creature in the mode of looking for a potential mate...nothing special here
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I don't think of mating if I love someone. Nor do I need another to survive or gain prospertiy. Love falls in the same category as friendship, just without the sex. So you can have friends all day and masturbate all night; same shit. Love is special because it can deter one from so much wrong doing. It can civilize a savage-----------
why do we use 10 of our brain? - incorrect myth.. we use 100% of our brains 100% of the time.... right now, im using 100% of my brain and so are u, whether u know it or not.....nothing special here
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No we don't. Our human side is what stops us from maximizng our brings; such as fear, doubt, misery, depression, lust, humor etc etc. What we accomplished as humans is special, but we've done what? Computers? airplaine? Come onnnnnnnnnnnnn....that's booty


And for the record, I'm not religious at all

I exaplained everything perfectly satisfactorily... your just not willing or ready to accept these explanations..
its obvious that u dont have a full understanding of neurology, how the brain works, how the subconscious effects the conscious (and vice versa).... its also obvious that you dont understand how evolutionary concepts work (in regard to the explanation of benefit to behavioral advantages due to benefit vs detriment and the concept of what we define as "love")
you must realize that in regard to love as an evolutionary concept, you dont have to "think" about mating.. thats not how it works.. its an evolved trait thats part of our instinctual makeup. when you are "in love" with someone (romatically, not a relative), it is an evolved cognition designed and refined over time to ensure the success of the species... i could go on about this, but its moot if a fundamental understanding of the mechanism of evolution is not fully understood...
im sorry if im being short and im not tryin to be offensive in any way, but i just glanced at your post and needed to respond and dont have much time to respond fully (nor do i have time to bring u up to snuff on how the brain and evolution works right now)
but the fact that u dreamt about what u described has nothing to do with your conscious or deep thoughts.. u must first truly understand how the brain works and assembles things via components. many dreams are of things that we never witnessed, never will witnes or have never heard about.. this isnt special.. it all boils down to how teh brain works and can assemble imagery.