my problem with Bronze Nazareth

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10-06-2006, 06:04 PM
Sparrow Daene

my problem with Bronze Nazareth

He's like the Rolling Stones of the Wu-Elements. He's definately very good at what he does, but what he does is pure imitation.

I was SHOCKED to find that the intro, and the song "Think Differently" on that compilation were NOT produced by RZA. He took little things that RZA doesnt do on purpose and crowbarred them into the beat.. even using shitty keyboard presets (see: "White Lightning" from Kill Bill) and bad simulated drum rolls (see: "Stay In Your Lane" - if you HAVE to ;) and "Child's Play")

Then I heard "Ringing Bells" - no doubt this was produced by True Master. It has all the signature tremelo guitar samples etc. NOPE! Bronze Nazareth as True Master instead..

What I like about him is, well, I like the Wu-Tang sound.. and quite frankly RZA hasn't really been bringing that.. so Bronze outdid RZA on his own album! His work on that album is great.

he also uses film clips ineffectively.. like sampling Farrakhan on "Ringing Bells" is a little awkward.. and has nothing to do with anything on the song.. and when he sampled "Memories" on "The Birth".. it's like a douche-chill moment. If he learns some tact he'll be better.

He needs to keep doing what he does well, and stop making simulations of RZA or True Master tracks. It's also hard for me to take him as seriously since I knew him from Wu-Tang internet forums back in the day :lmao:

is he considered an 'official' Wu-Element ? I'm not sure if there is a such thing.. because would Goldfhingaz and Darkim count too?

I look at him as a fan who got on.
10-06-2006, 06:11 PM
THE W

well Rza says he's an official wu element so go tell Rza he is wrong.

yeah he does sounds like rza but so do 4th, true, math, and inspectah deck. all those guys took elements of Rza's style and added it to theirs.
10-06-2006, 06:14 PM
Sparrow Daene

no one deliberately copied their tracks

4th doesnt sound like RZA and True, who was producing before he even knew RZA, doesn't sound like him.. and y-kim DEFINATELY has his own sound..

Mathematics was kindof a copycat producer in terms of the samples/breaks he used.. but he's gone off of that a little since he started
10-06-2006, 06:16 PM
Dr. Simon Hurt

i'm sure when they use simulated drum rolls and shit it's intentional, i thought it sounded phat on 'child's play'. yes, ringing bells sounded like tru masta, but i disagree with everything else you said. Bronze does produce within the parameters of 'wu sound' but he has his own style within that context, his shit has alot more old soul and blues influences. that track he produced with Vast Aire, Timbo, et al sounds nothing like RZA. His sample on Street Corners was very effective as were the samples he used on his solo album.

And yes he is a fan who got on, it's your problem if that makes you unable to take him seriously.
10-06-2006, 06:18 PM
THE W

all those guys sound like Rza. only thing they differ from him is their drums. their sampling techniques and arrangements are pretty Rzaesque.
10-06-2006, 06:25 PM
12weLvE

Well they have the sound that RZA likes, maybe that is the reason they are all down with the Elements. And Bronze is the shit...
10-06-2006, 06:29 PM
the insignificant

i see your point... but maybe it's a good thing that he's a 'fan that got on' because he's bringing the sound that the fans want to hear... as for the ringing bells sample, was it definitely him that put it in there, or was it added in recording?
10-06-2006, 06:30 PM
12weLvE

^^ YUP!!! All everybody does is complain about "THAT ALL CLASSIC WU SOUND" anyway...so thank you Bronze
10-06-2006, 10:50 PM
Sparrow Daene

I'm sorry Dynamite, but he was clearly limiting himself to the ..well limits of the technology RZA used on those tracks. for some reason he wanted to make it sound exactly like RZA.. it would've been fine if he did his own thing with it.. but he did something almost referential on that track.

as for the "Slow Blues" song.. there you go! that's his style, he should go for it. the songs I referred to are limited to the stylings of OTHER producers

I have MILLIONS of beats that I would be the first to admit are carbon-copy RZA stuff (I even made some beats that HE ended up doing later on!! ie, I he sampled the same part of the same song I did) because when I was first starting out, I wanted to dissect his technique and since I liked his sound so much, I made my own Wu-Tang tracks. but TODAY, I wouldn't do a song that is two minor chords on a quivering synth because that what RZA did on "It's Yourz"

anyway, Kanye West, Just Blaze, Bronze Nazareth all did the same thing I did for many years.. I want in TOO!! (it's envy.)

Shabazz did some stuff over a track I did like hmm.. 1998? I was in high school.. D Kruger has heard a number of my tracks and warned me to send out NOTHING without a copyright/IP lawyer's letter attached because there are sharks in the industry that would steal what I've done and credit themselves with it.

there's no question I could be a producer on future Wu projects.. particularly Ghost's considering the sound he's stuck with pretty steadily for a few years now.

I'm talking/meeting w/ people at Nature Sounds about a production deal, but I'd rather go directly to the artists.. not the label.. and not being on a roster.

I need to get through to the right people..! any help??
10-06-2006, 10:58 PM
THE W

click on the contact link at the top right of this page.
10-07-2006, 05:15 PM
Mantra

I think Bronze is a step above Rza! I mean Rza's beat cataloug is classic the man's a legend indeed! But Bronze is the new beatking in my eyes!!
10-07-2006, 05:47 PM
Tetsuo

He's just a fan who's gotten some shine.
10-07-2006, 09:20 PM
LORD ZERO

Bronze Is Sick On Da Production, Lol @ Yall Sayin Hes A Fan Cuz Hes Bringin Back What Da True Wu Fans Miss
10-07-2006, 09:32 PM
Sun Tzu, Tha Soul Controllah

i think ya'll are on RZA's dick way too fuckin much

it's sickning, acting like RZA's the only cat that does this shit and if a beat sounds similar it's biting

Bronze Nazareth has a unique sound that imo sounds nothing like RZA's

same goes for True Master & 4th Disciple
10-07-2006, 09:33 PM
Sun Tzu, Tha Soul Controllah

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparrow Daene

Shabazz did some stuff over a track I did like hmm.. 1998? I was in high school.. D Kruger has heard a number of my tracks and warned me to send out NOTHING without a copyright/IP lawyer's letter attached because there are sharks in the industry that would steal what I've done and credit themselves with it.

there's no question I could be a producer on future Wu projects.. particularly Ghost's considering the sound he's stuck with pretty steadily for a few years now.

I'm talking/meeting w/ people at Nature Sounds about a production deal, but I'd rather go directly to the artists.. not the label.. and not being on a roster.

ok i understand now, it seems like you're jealous. I understand why you're doing this
10-07-2006, 11:12 PM
TAURO

Co-sign Sun tzu's last two posts.
10-07-2006, 11:23 PM
g_flex

Quote:

Originally Posted by J.T.S.

I think Bronze is a step above Rza!

isnt that a lil oversaid ..:list:
10-07-2006, 11:44 PM
the silencer

i dont think Bronze is a step above Rza...but i gotta say hes been bringin that classic Wu sound better than anybody the last few years...

and to say that his beats sound like Rza, 4th, True Master, etc is a COMPLIMENT to Bronze's shit...
10-10-2006, 04:25 AM
the insignificant

Quote:

Originally Posted by g_flex

isnt that a lil oversaid ..:list:

careful, theo himself will be over that... telling you that you mean to say overset... |)
10-10-2006, 04:14 PM
deadlymelody

Bronze is sick, and isn't really all that much like RZA or 4th Disciple. I do hear True Master similarities though.
10-13-2006, 10:50 AM
Sparrow Daene

seriously, who could I contact through this site/forum? someone said something about clicking on the contact link, but that's like the admin for this site, no? is d kruger et al around here?
10-13-2006, 11:00 AM
THE W

clicking on the contact tab is how you will be able to reach the people you're trying to reach.

you can try going to the thinkdifferently site if its up yet.
10-13-2006, 01:53 PM
Wu Stoneman

Quote:

He needs to keep doing what he does well, and stop making simulations of RZA or True Master tracks. It's also hard for me to take him as seriously since I knew him from Wu-Tang internet forums back in the day

is he considered an 'official' Wu-Element ? I'm not sure if there is a such thing.. because would Goldfhingaz and Darkim count too?

I look at him as a fan who got on.

Yes he is an official Wu Element! He on this very site in the production lineup!! Pay attention!

If u you cant take him seriously then stop taking ALL Artists seriously, do you see Willie Nelson doing rap? No cause he's not a fan of rap. If thats so then Eminem is a fan who got on, cause he loved Dre and Deathrow before he was signed. MC's do they music they do because they are fans of the music, thats any group not just Wu and Bronze....get outta here with that fan shit. What artist isn't a fan who got on?

Quote:

anyway, Kanye West, Just Blaze, Bronze Nazareth all did the same thing I did for many years.. I want in TOO!! (it's envy.)

You say it yourself - JEALOUSY & ENVY. you are just hatin. Any fool can see Bronze has his own style, some of his shit sounds like Rza or True Mas but Bronze IS WU. you should peep his album Great Migration and his lyrics you would see he has his own style, he's no imitator or biter. TRUE TALENT.

you should listen more.
10-14-2006, 06:53 AM
biblebullet

yeah i agree Rza has his style, True Master has his distinct sound as well as 4th disciple and Allah Mathematics.
I bet they all learn from each other, so mos def there would be some similarities in the shit they do, cause they all love the same shit, but even in the similarities the mode and style of presentation is unique to each producer so pls stop hatin' and start appreciating.
10-18-2006, 07:59 AM
1STGODHAND

bronze is aight