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I dont think ppl who r thinking of commiting suicide r cowards, becouse everyone who claim they r chickens dont understand what's happening in their headz! That's wrong cuz yall is pushing them in the corner saying that shit..
I know 90 % people who replys here gonna say they r cowards, running away from problems, cant face life and some bs like that...
yall is ignorant!!!
discuss...
i totally agree whit you
there are external reasons that determine someone to do that, it`s not cuz they choose to take the easy way ... they just don`t see a way out from their problems, so i wouldn`t like to be in their place
just 2 or 3 weeks ago i wrote an essay in english class about suicidal people and defended them
Word!
the way I see it, is that if you dont wanna live anymore, you dont wanna live. No way that makes someone a coward
Finally, something I can side with. My ol man was prescribed multiple medications for his chronic depression which had a very negative affect on him which eventually led to him trying to take his life during a bad stage of losing everything. He told me during that period he didnt know who he was or what he was doing.
this is probly far from what u guys are talkin about but..
i've often thought that SOME ppl who commit suicide may do it just cuz they're so curious to see what happens when u die...like if real life starts to become so boring or maybe (this is often the case, i guess) it's so bad or difficult or whatever, they just think like well "i'd rather see what's it like on the other side n take my chances"....kind of a weird i guess but i've sometimes thought like what if i just shot myself in the face right now, what would i see, what would i go through??? i'm not depressed or nothin i just wonder about the afterlife alot...
Deppression and suicidal thoughts are very unique in that, if u never experienced them they are nearly impossible 2 understand. I never have, so I dont get it. It seems cowardly 2 me, but I have no intimate knowledge of such feelings. I feel sympathy for people who go through this, but dont undertsand it. Maybe cowardly is the wrong word. I don't know. I just can't imagine TRULY wanting 2 die. It seems like a easy way out, but what do I know? ????
it seems like the only way out.
i respectfully disagree.....
there is never a reason to commit suicide.....
i know shit can get hard in life sometimes, we all go thru it, but for me at least, faith in God will always sustain me....
anyhow, thats my take on it
s7
just when i read "there is never a reason to commit suicide" my first reaction was "i gotta ask this guy if he`s religious" ... but you already gave me the answer in the next line ... it`s logical
Nice one there, 2L8Lit. I agree, yeah. If there's one thing a suicidal person doesn't need is to be picked-on for it.
But I think, in most cases, you won't know until it's too late.
I live in what's known as Australias "Suicide City" (highest rate per capita), and have had my fair share of experiences with it.
I completely disagree that anyone should, ever, but I can understand why they'd want to.
For instance, I think a lot of the time the person is far from being cowardly, or just curious, or weak, but is actually being charitable in their own mind. "All I do is wrong. I keep hurting those I care about. They'd be better off without me." You know? Of course, this usually has the opposite effect, but you get what I'm saying.
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Originally Posted by Tangaz
Why would anyone feel like that about themselves???? I dont understand this mentality of death/suicide/killing in todays world. Everyone says that just cause shit gets hard, you gotta go wack yourself (or someone else).
why is everyone so consumed with death???? does everyone hate life nowadays????
i just dont get it (and ive had some pretty hard times), but i love life and all it encompasses....
People need to be stronger in the face of adversity.....that's not a diss or a knock against anyone, but i see suicide as a weak way out......learn to face the challenges of life, not run from them...
not judging anyone, just tryin to help....
s7
not really, but close....here's the deal:Quote:
Originally Posted by begongo
actually im spiritual, not religious.....
there's a BIG difference...
i have faith in God, but i dont deal in organised religion...
just clearin it up for ya
yup
s7
it`s all good my friend, sometimes i wish i was a believer too ... congrats for being able to love life (no sarcasm, for real)
Yeah man, I completely agree. But it's not always that simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by shalom7
I mean, imagine someone with a debilitating mental illness; They can be perfectly fine one day, and the next get so depressed over nothing that they shut down, or just randomly spazz out, at their kids, girl, family, or whatever at any random moment. No matter how much they reassure them that it's okay and they understand and all that, there's gonna be guilt for their actions afterwards, whether they were in control of it or not.
And what if, after being pumped so full of drugs and treatments trying to "fix" their brain chemistry seemed to have no effect, or even compounded the problem?
Suicide could seem a way to relieve the burden on their loved ones, y'know? Whether completely off their rocker, or completely sane at the time, this could make the most sense.
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And good to hear, Shalom7, I reckon that's the only way one can be in this day and age with every major organized religion so fucked-up. Whether you believe in him/it or not, only God can judge us, not fuckin' man.
And begongo, who knows, maybe one day you will be. I'm not saying you're wrong or whatever, but never be so staunch in your views that the acquisition of new knowledge has to be fit to your idea, y'know?
I swear I'm an athiest one day, a christian the next, muslim the day after...call me a traitor if you will, but I've still got a lot more to learn before I know what I'm doing. ...And that, searching knowledge, is revered by any religious text. Can't go wrong like that!)
(to begongo)--- i dont know if youre goin thru anything, but just stay strong man.....
stay up
s7
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Originally Posted by Tangaz
(Continuing off topic:
Oh for sure man, im not one of those "its my way or the highway" kind of people. My beliefs are a combination of things, not just one. I study all types of spirituality, and get things out of them all. Who's to say theres just one way.......Jesus, Allah, Buddah, etc...... its all good man as long as its positive vibes.......i dont deal in no demonic shit!!!! LOL
you mentioned atheists......i think that our universe itself proves the existence of God. All of this complexity couldnt have "happened by accident".... There had to be a creative hand behind all of this. But im not an atheist-basher......a good friend of mine is an atheist, and even though we disagree on this, we are still great friends. I just think hes wrong!!! LOL
Keep searchin for that knowledge man.......knowledge is the key to anything.
ok, back to the original topic.....sorry!!!
s7
thanks yall for sharing knowledge to each others.. i respect that...
anyway, there was one dude at my school who killed himself u year and a half ago ( R.I.P), and everyone who knew him said that he was always funny, active in socialising with others and had all straight A's at class.. nobody never asumed that he was down, or even able of commiting suicide, cuz his parents said he was always happy, helpful and in the good mood... he was very good at pretending everything's normal... i didnt know him well i just saw him every day and shit... so nobody knows why he hang himself, if he had perfect life... shit is fucked up... i wanted to share this...
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Originally Posted by *Robbydigital*
Same thing happened to my Dad, he has OCD amd lost his job. One day he didnt know what to do with himself and trued to take his own life. Thank God I saved his life that day. How did that experience affect u?
I had a lot of problems, I almost had no real friends til 3 years back...so I was thinking of suicide all the time...now I don't really regret it, although I love to live now, that I have something to live...that's what every suicidal person must search...
and depression can be cured. but u gotta be strong. I can still be a mess sometimes though.
the shit got me thinkin of suicide was i girl... i played all day Gravediggaz Suicide, and Biggie's Suicidal Thoughts... I got drunk as fuck, I wanted to go kill myself with a car, and my friend in it... shit i was stupid... i didnt think...
the human mind is a very powerful thing,sometimes the will to die is much more overpowering then the will to liveQuote:
Originally Posted by shalom7
props to all 4 sharing yall expiriences
^true man...
the mind can fuck with you even when nothing is really wrong...this is true for people with depression...
do you all know that there are at least two suicides in the world everyday? damn
^^ a sad thing to happen...
i hate depression... i cant laough or cry, im like a fuckin robot living thru hell...
You got the depression yo ?Y
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Originally Posted by Slick
I was in depression constantly this year....its funny, another of my problems is hyperactivity....so I'm always the craziest person or the saddest...but with the help of friends, I'm going better :)Quote:
Originally Posted by CHRONZ
I was getting better when I heard there is going to be a new Wu album...really:) :) :) it was about that time...december or something like that
if anybody has problems with depression I suggest some music u really really love....my choice was Return to the 36 Chambers....it makes me smile anytime...when Ol'Dirty (RIP) 'sings' SOOOOOOOOOOMEWHEREEEEEEE OVEEER THE RAINBOOOOOOW....that makes my day
in my opinion there is no such thing as "will to live" ... there is just inertia, continuing your present state ... you never make a conscious decision of willing to wake up the next day ... it just happens ... but you do make a decision when you take your life away ... so there only exists "will" when talking about "will to die" ..Quote:
Originally Posted by J-Cee
it`s just like the fact that for example darkness doesn't really "exist" ... because darkness is the same inertia that just somehow "is" there ... only light truly "exists" because it is something that changes the previous inert state of the environment
perhaps i have expressed myself a bit blurry but i think you got my point :)
This may sound strange but...Quote:
Originally Posted by wera
I think that certain people those who think of commiting suicide have a head start in life because they have faced their demons and were ready to kneel or give up..but they didn't.
I'm not talking about girls or clubs and bullshit like that I'm talking about what makes you happy.Don't get caught up in the speed of the world go at you'r own pace.
I belive music was my saving grace:
Wu-Tang,Holocaust,Canibus,Killah Priest,RZA,Canibus,Jedi Mind Tricks, even Eminem to name a few, it's like they felt my pain and I really connected with them.
And singers have a gift to Bette Midler,Wendy Rene,Otis Reading,Elvis ect...
I sometimes listen and really feel THEIR pain and think to myself
"Wow they got through the shit that they were going through so...so can I"
I also have have been depressed for about the last 3-4 years, not seing the point of life and have a couple of times thought about suicide but never really entertained it but I can see why people do it -
(I knew someone back in the day who hung himself)
I went to see a lady who REALLY helped me and gave me knowledge of self and the world I am living in for about 6 mounths and still keep in contact with her.She helped me find my passion which was Art especially drawing.
I also would recommend finding you'r passion - not just what you like doing but what you want to do with you'r life and what most importantly makes you smile, this is quite a scary question but if you are strong and belive in yourslef and belive in what you can do in your mind.
Just think in 100 years everyone on this planet will be dead don't cut you'r stay short.
PEACE.
yeah I understand...
for the last year...I have passion for deep works...been reading some deep stuff (plus finding out that Lord of the Rings is maad deep), some poems, watching creative movies, listening to some of my fav. (Nas, Soundgarden, Metallica,..) and just trying to leave myself involved with creative stuff and supportive friends...
last year was a thing that shocked me that my friend (a girl, 1 year older) tried to killed herself (she lost her mother from cancer)...that day I helped her from not doing that and she was always more of positive and optimistic person than me...she's been helping me all these months (plus a few friends) that I really don't become 'a boy in a shell' again...
u gotta find something that makes u feel better and that makes u forget the most of bad things that go in life. that's it. that's the formula.
peace
Yeah man, I think people (including me but not anymore) get too caught up in doing what the majority are doing: going to the pub, chasing birds, being a yob or fighting to prove you are tuff, terrrorizing people just to -
"be part of something" even some of my mates who have been doing that sort of shit for years & tears now come to me and say:
"I wish I could Be More Like You" Or "Hoew Do You Do It" and my answer ids always the same = I am not a sheep, I don't follow others just for the sake of it. I follow no one and do what I want to do, and if anyone dosn't like it well I pitty them they just haven't faced what they fear yet...and I have therefor I am stronger,wiser and belive in myself.
Now, I know A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO CAN'T SAY THAT ^^^^^^^
Like someone said before (can't remember who)
"What dosen't kill you, makes you stronger"
it's sad when people comit suicide but it is understandable.
^I disagree...I feel as if "Under Certain Circumstances" its a selfish way to go out...
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Originally Posted by whers
I'm really of 'a myself person'...never was really a part of sumthin' cuz a few years back I really didn't have any friends (just sum random people I knew)....so I was always pushed out from groups...now, on a different school, I have met new people that became my friends...
back to sumtin' I wanted to say...I'm still facing my fears (I have few big and few small ones-claustrophobia, fear from heights, problems sometimes talking in person and watching in the eyes...)
hope I will someday overcome my fears...like Batman in BB :)
i also used to think so, my mother comited suicide many years ago & it fucked me up big time for many years it still does but she did what she wanted to do who is anyone to judge. we all in control of our own destiny if people think that death is better than life then so be itQuote:
Originally Posted by Dough Snatcher
I do have to disagree with that because it is sophistry in my opinion. Shit can happen to you that fucks you up heavy and the key word of proving that affirmation is wrong is TRAUMA. Trauma may never stop, just imagine getting raped ! Many women that got raped, developed a never-ending fear of men. They weren't killed, but did they get stronger ?Quote:
Originally Posted by whers
There's a lot of bad shit out there that can happen to you and affect you forever, and i think one of the hardest to endure is humiliation.
I used to think that "What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger" thing was real till i got to think about it deep
I've thought about suicide a few times and the only reason i haven't done it is because i'm afraid of pain. If i could afford to buy a gun, i would've killed myself a long time ago. The reason i say that is because my brain is messed up and it's hard for me to figure things out and that's why i've never had a good paying job, i've never lived on my own, i've never bought a car. I went to see a psychiatrist several times to see what's wrong with my brain and the psychiatrist told me he thinks i have A.D.D. which is attention deficit disorder. He gave me some medication to take but i never took it because i don't believe that medication can make me figure things out so i can get a good job so i can take care of myself. My dad keeps pressuring me into getting a good job and i keep telling him it's not gonna happen anytime soon because my brain is fucked up. I told my dad yesterday i wanna go see a doctor and have a doctor run some tests on my brain to see what's wrong with me. My dad told me that a doctor is only gonna take my money and not tell me what i need to hear. That may be true but i need to see a doctor anyway because my brain hasn't been right for a long time and i'm gonna tell ya'll why.
I used to live with my grandparents for 8 years after i graduated from high school. I never had a good paying job while i stayed with them. I worked a lot of shitty low paying hard labor jobs through temp agencies. I got some credit cards and maxed them out and i had to file for bankruptcy because i couldn't pay the credit card bills because i couldn't keep a job. My grandparents bought me 3 cars. One of them got stolen. The other 2 cars i don't have anymore. My grandmother died about 7 years ago and my grandfather put me out of his house 5 years ago because i couldn't keep a job and he got tired of me working low paying jobs. I never wanted to work for a low salary but because of the way my brain works, low paying jobs is the only jobs i can get and that upsets me because i wish my brain would allow me to figure things out so i can have a good paying job so i can have my own place and have a nice car. I used to catch the bus after my 3rd car broke down on me and i hated catching the bus especially in the winter. Cleveland has terrible weather in the wintertime. Right now i live with my parents and i wanna move outta their house soon because i'm tired of living with them and not having any privacy. Plus my dad and i don't get along. If it was just my mom and i living together, i wouldn't mind living with her because i love my mom more than my dad. My dad bitches too much to me about the situation i'm in and he doesn't like me watching a lot of tv. I like to watch tv a lot and that's why i need my own place so i can do what i wanna do. I know i'm gonna end up homeless eventually because if i wasn't living with my parents, i'd be on the streets and if that happens, i will definitely kill myself because i can't survive on the streets and in a homeless shelter. Homeless shelters are overcrowded and i don't wanna be around a bunch of smelly homeless people that have mental problems, drug addicts, alcoholics.
Damn! You need to go talk to a shrink son! Not talkin shit, seriously. You said u would have killed yourself a long time ago if you could get a gun. They arent hard to get u know? You should really try and find tha cause for these feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlesJones