I really need to get those Ashra Kwesi DVDs.
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I really need to get those Ashra Kwesi DVDs.
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The "abbot" :fucku:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bis Fan
I can't watch the videos yet....but like I said before we know that Tamo was Indian, possibly dravidian...and all Chinese arts seem to have stemmed from his original 18 movements.
But in all fairness, most of the martial arts these days are Asian, and they are pretty far removed from the original exercises....therefore in general the martial arts are largely Asian...no matter their origins. I don't feel asians have contributed much, but they get a fair bit of credit for the fighting arts (which they probably advanced so far due to their comparative lack of technology).
^Little research is trully done and broadly published to those regards.
What you are saying is true with their medicine as well. Research ancient African medicine and you will see striking resemblances between the two. Really research the first two dynasties of China and you may be surprised. Ancient sea faring was underway from the east coast of Africa to Australia. You'll find Medu (glyphs) of ancient KMT (Egyptian) kings ship wrecked on Aussie walls. We only study the popular stuff. Few people dig within the weeds and try to change the incorrect norms.
Asian people were isolated for certain periods of time and had the time and elements desirable to cultivate the arts that migrated there. I'm thankful, cause when Africa was being colonized and molested Asia (as well as other lands held her secrets intact).
I try to give credit where it's due. Certain people did establish and cultivate certain arts but which people jumped it all off?
This is interesting.
I read somewhere, about a year ago, that the concept of "animal style" martial arts came from Africa and the practitioner was to merge his or her spirit with that of the animal that he or she was mimicking.
It's no mystery that Africa and Asia have a lot in common in terms of tradtions and history. Weren't the original Asians African pygmies too?
On a very old tapestry in the Shaolin Temple, there's a depiction of the ancient monks practicing in the courtyard. Some have very pale skin and others mave much darker skin. Milk chocolate brown in complection, with eyes a bit wider than those with paler skin.
Though Tamo was Indian, even today, you're hard-pressed to find a very light-skinned person from India.
Never the less, Subtle made a good point, because after Tamo passed, the monks made great efforts in advancing Shaolin Kung-Fu and making it the most well-rounded martial arts system in the world. Not just in terms of combat, but also internal health, and magnificent physical strength. Even they didn't frown upon styles that didn't come from them.
It's said that Northern Kung-Fu was born when the monks took he most effective and deadly skills from every style that was available to them and began to form thier own system based on that.
Interestingly accurate accessment of the situation. Thanks.
Looks like some broke ass samarai to me...LOL.
But seriously, I'm always skeptical of any person, regardless of culture, who is always on a mission to prove this came from that or that came from this.
Who is to say were the 'punch' or 'kick' originated, and what person was first responsible for attempting to create a fighting style.
^Are you in school? If so, with that attitude maybe you need to reconsider that endeavor. I won't even waste my brain cells to answer that post any further.
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Originally Posted by blackwisdom
Why? because it challenges what you said? It seems to me that if someone disagrees with what you say, you have that attitude. I am a history major, and believe me, I am as open to things and histories as anyone, but I don't believe any BS that is thrown at me. Now I'd have to research this further to have an educated opinion on it, but like I said before, if your just trying to prove who did what first, and that the origins of martial arts is kemetic, than you can break it further down that that......
And we really do not know much on really ancient history, we are finding new stuff out every day.
Are you in school? What I'm saying is, if your mission is to prove that everything originated from North Africa, i.e. north of the Sahara desert, the semitic peoples, than you are no different than someone who wants to say that Aryans are a master race.
According to my research humanity sprang from the interior of Africa, not the north. I've come to the conclusion that I need not argue with people over information. I allow the information to speak for itself. Is not the purpose for research and scholarship to come to a conclusive understanding of some aim? If it is so, then aren't we to come to the conclusion of origins are necessary in order to better understand and deal with information and things. If Africans were first to systematically throw a punch, develop grappling techniques, and armed warfare, how is that so hard to grasp. It can be proven that they were first to develop writing and mathmatics. One of the biggest purposes to spread this knowledge is to inspire further critical research on the subject. No one can display a few paintings and prove conclusively a scientific point, but I've seen lectures where this information was explained indepth. I invite you to research it further and share your findings, regardless of the outcome. That's how we grow and learn.
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Originally Posted by NickyTooch
I'm not in school as we speak. I'm registering for next semester. I don't see the validity in your statement. I'm co-signing the video by stating that the martial arts originate in Africa. I'm not saying that Africans are a master race. Science currently proves that the first humans on planet Earth originate from Black Africa. I leave it at that. I don't see how that's the same as saying that all other races must be eliminated cause they're un-pure.
Thats fine. I am about seeking truth and fact. Your 26? Im the same age. You better get to school now before you put it off too long. I wish I hadn't wasted ages 18-23....but oh well, I had to find what I really wanted to do.
If all of my credits correlated enough I probably could apply for an Associates. I just need to know what status I'm going to be in so I can apply for TA correctly in order to register again. I think I'ma go ahead and get my Bachelors in Business Management and Masters in the same. I want to do other things but my counselors feel that this will be best for my long term goals. Martial Arts has something to do with my long term goals. I've always been interested in them and I'm a student, so I plan to build a career around my arts. I'm a constant student.
I agree with you Black Wisdom...and I have looked into alot of less popular sources.
However, I still think for a peacful, long (very long) established society the Chinese gave us very little. I mean you get the lists of stuff....gunpowder, tooth brushes etc....but honestly...so what?
Western Civilisation right now is the most advanced (technologically and intellectually at least - they may fuck up majorly on wisdom etc). ALSO I recognize alot of the science and thought we have is NOT western in origin. Maths, Science, Astronomy, Religion very much so (even though most western dogma subscribers will deny this till blue in the face) have all been developed largely by Arabs and North Africans.
However, what in the pinacle of human development has its origins in China? Martial arts, maybe paper and a tooth brush...even to this day the martial arts SEVERELY lack the rational approach needed (and I say this is true of the I ching, which is not chinese in its very origin but was developed by them and eventually into a bunch of hocus pocus) because it was kept in the hands of the chinese. I mean look at the extremely unrational views on Chi as a large example...also little biological knowledge has been applied to training techniques which may well have improved them dramatically.
The mind set Asians is different to westerners. They are less creative (this isn't my racist stereotype...there are text books on it). They tend alot more to identify with the society as a whole. In a book with the Dalai Lama and some scientists who did research they found alot of differences even with asians raised in western societies and even if raised by non-asian parents (adopted). They asked western youths who they were and they listed off integral qualities they thought they possessed eg. I am strong, I am emotional, I am kind etc. When they asked the same questions to asians they said much more external measures of who they were eg. I play tennis, I am such and suches kid, I am such and suches brother, I study this or that. They also found they express their emotions less and typically have lower self-esteem.
Maybe this is due to some form of extreme right-mindedness, it would explain the technological stagnation and the lack of methodical approach. The same way, I believe westerns are generally too left-minded.
If you believe metu neter then people with african blood have the best balance between left and right hemispheres. I think it is probably true. Hence the development of religion, science, maths etc....the intuitive used properly and guided by the intellect.
Of course these would all be correlations not hard and fast rules.
Also Africans have more of those sexual hormones (usually). I think the sex energy of a person definitely contributes to their over all creativity and energy levels. Asians have the least...and I wouldn't be the first person to think black people are charismatic and asians overly introverted.
Well there is my racial rant on creativity and culture lol :)
What do you say to the billions of Asians across India, China, Cambodia, Tibet, Indonesia, Malaysia, etc.?Quote:
Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies
What African films can you measure to the classic martial art genre?
I understand where SubtleEnergies rant is trying to go. I just have one question. Holy Fool, what do movies have to do with the innovation of Martial Arts?
The Chinese cornered that market the same way that the Koreans have cornered the market on the Black hair care industry. Just cause they made hundreds of movies doesn't mean that they are the sole masters of the Arts. Just like, just cause cowboy and indian movies make indians the villians don't mean that they were the villians in real life. Ya feel me?
I posted this to open the dialog on the original arts that the Africans created.
I really do not agree with your assessment on the Chinese. Philosophically, they have been as innovative and creative as the Greeks. Just look at Confucious alone. The artwork from historical China is some of the most beautiful I have ever seen.
Confucius can suck my dick. He was a tool. He spat out exactly what the government wanted him to. He kept everyone in order - women submitting to men, children submitting to parents, and the people submitting to the rulers (the problem is the rigidity of this...people were expected to keep these loyalties unquestioningly). Infact, he is a very good EXAMPLE of what I was talking about.
Why do you think Taoists make fun of him so much? :)
Now as for Taoism: The I Ching is not Chinese in origin. But like I said, the Chinese did develop it. However, as a result we also ended up with some ignorant ideas...like hanging a pakua on your door for good luck, or using the i ching symbols to predict the sex of a child, the result of a marriage. At its worst we see 'religious taoism' which is basically an amalgamation of different superstitions. That does not mean there were no good Chinese Taoists...there obviously were..but also you should read the 'Gospel of Phillip' then the Tao Teh Ching and then the Jesus Sutras. It seems Jesus and Taoism may be interlinked.....
Anyway, in conclusion Taoism (apart from confucianism which hardly interests me) is the most chinese philosophy. That is ONE good system of philosophy, which may not be chinese in origin anyway, that they have out of the hundreds that were developed.
The Chinese haven't developed any of the major religions. Even Buddhism is Indian/tibetan (whereever Buddha was from). THEN Tamo had to come and sort it out later on coz the Chinese had messed Buddhism up.
As for Chinese, and infact asian artwork in general, I am not really convinced it is that great.
But as for everything I said, there will always be exceptions to the general rules anyway.
And HoLY FOOL, as for the Malaysians, Tibetans etc...they are all often mixes of Chinese (who are also the Japaneses' ancestors) and darker indigenous peoples. As such, their mental qualities will also be a mix. I knew a Phillipino girl who was not asian, she was very dark, and her personality was quite different to most asians.
I don't see why it is such a big deal. We are all different mentally. I don't think any of us are perfect. I mean asians may be less creative...but they kick ass on putting their heads' down and studying, hard work etc.
Also, as for the martial art movies....I still do believe the chinese did develop martial arts alot, just not originated them. But they spent alot more time without guns than some nations and were colonized as a result.
Nothing at all. My question was based on SubtleEnergies comments asserting Asians to be an introverted people.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackwisdom
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Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies
You suggested ASIANS have the least ''sexual energy''. My question was based on that statement alone. What do you say to the billions of Asians across India, China, Cambodia, Tibet, Indonesia, Malaysia, etc.?Quote:
Also Africans have more of those sexual hormones (usually). I think the sex energy of a person definitely contributes to their over all creativity and energy levels. Asians have the least....
You suggested ''Africans are more charismatic then Asians''.Quote:
Also, as for the martial art movies....I still do believe the chinese did develop martial arts alot, just not originated them. But they spent alot more time without guns than some nations and were colonized as a result.
My question was based on this statement. I was appealing to the charisma factor found in Asian cinema, not to the historical development of martial arts.
Charisma comes from charis "grace, beauty, kindness," and is related to chairein "to rejoice at," from PIE base *gher- "to desire, like."Quote:
...and I wouldn't be the first person to think black people are charismatic and asians overly introverted.
To ask my question in a different way what African films can you measure to the charisma of the classic martial art genre?
Superfly, Shaft, Leroy Brown, and Foxy Brown;$Quote:
Originally Posted by Holy Fool
What the hell happened to this topic?
The idea that there are ALOT of asians meaning they have a strong sex drive jumps to a huge conclusion. Look at things like the black plague that wiped out huge populations in Europe, famine in Africa. Asians have had reasonably stable, long lasting societies.
There hormone thing (I think they are called pheremones?) is a fact (in general of course). Black people make the best body builders for this reason, and also coz there is some gene ACTN3 which allows people to grow big and something like 90% of arficans have it, 50% of white and like 20% of asians.....(not sure on exact figures but it was some huge differences like that). Our make ups are just different.
LMAO ASIAN CINEMA! Don't get me started. It is a joke....isn't it's budget like bigger than Hollywood? Jackie Chans last movie I saw left me and the guy I watching it with just shocked...the story line, character development etc. And this isn't a one off....MOST kung fu movies are rubbish!!!!!!!
They are popular for the unique fighting styles, not the stroy lines, character development etc. See like 36 Chambers....that was cool....but most have these odd jokes, weird stories that go no where and a heap of stupid slap stick comedy.
Also, I didn't want an etymological break down of the word charisma, I meant its general usage. But if you must...I shall call it "personal magnetism and personality." Muhammed Ali...now that is magnetism, a strong personality. I actually can't think of a single asian who strikes me with that same charisma....I am sure there are....but I think coz of biological make up, and partly coz of society, they would appear alot less often amongst asians. Actually, one of my exes was pretty extroverted....she had a pretty strong personality and she was from Hong Kong...
Like all topics in know the ledge it has become tainted by racial discussion, Nicky. LOL...no I just think people are different...and that relates to the cultures a people develop. I find it weird when people point to cultural differences as the reason for peoples' behaviour. Like all those slave owner's were just following culture....? That fails to take into account that a culture is the result of the collective views of the people who made it. I think biological differences are partly responsible for cultural differences in the world today.
Pay close attention. Subtle Energies had mentioned Africans, with no implication given that he was speaking of Africans in the diaspora. But as far as comparing these exploitation films with those of the classic kung fu genre there is no comparison. One shows an original people expounding abundantly on philosephy, discipline, righteousness, purity, mental physical and spiritual training, and the other on worldliness.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackwisdom
''alot'' is an undersatementQuote:
Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies
hmmm. I don't think so....Quote:
meaning they have a strong sex drive jumps to a huge conclusion. Look at things like the black plague that wiped out huge populations in Europe, famine in Africa. Asians have had reasonably stable, long lasting societies.
there are more asians and asiatic in the world then anything elseQuote:
There hormone thing (I think they are called pheremones?) is a fact (in general of course). Black people make the best body builders for this reason, and also coz there is some gene ACTN3 which allows people to grow big and something like 90% of arficans have it, 50% of white and like 20% of asians.....(not sure on exact figures but it was some huge differences like that). Our make ups are just different.
that it's a joke is your opinion. there would be no wutangcorp if asian cinema never existedQuote:
LMAO ASIAN CINEMA! Don't get me started. It is a joke....isn't it's budget like bigger than Hollywood?
you know i brought up classic kung fu cinema so why is it you bring up jackie chanQuote:
Jackie Chans last movie I saw left me and the guy I watching it with just shocked...the story line, character development etc. And this isn't a one off....MOST kung fu movies are rubbish!!!!!!!
you probably would'nt even be calling yourself ''subtle energies'' on a messageboard if not for the wu tang and the philosephy of the classic kung fu genre
in fact there is much humor to be found in the classics. what african films can you compare to them again.........that's what i thoughtQuote:
They are popular for the unique fighting styles, not the stroy lines, character development etc.
in fact ''hero'' alone shits on anything you have to say about asian cinema
you must be a really young cat. tons of african americans and latinos over 25 would disagree with you. one of the best cult flix of all time ''the last dragon'' is based on asian cinemaQuote:
See like 36 Chambers....that was cool....but most have these odd jokes, weird stories that go no where and a heap of stupid slap stick comedy.
bruce leeQuote:
Also, I didn't want an etymological break down of the word charisma, I meant its general usage. But if you must...I shall call it "personal magnetism and personality." Muhammed Ali...
good for you. but we were talking about you asserting billions of asians being introverted. the worldwide popularity of asian cinema [not jackie chan lmao] proves your theory wrong.Quote:
now that is magnetism, a strong personality. I actually can't think of a single asian who strikes me with that same charisma....I am sure there are....but I think coz of biological make up, and partly coz of society, they would appear alot less often amongst asians. Actually, one of my exes was pretty extroverted....she had a pretty strong personality and she was from Hong Kong...
You can't measure someone's intellect, sex drive or physical prowess simply based on their nationality. There's 3 kinds of lies; Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics. Asia, Africa and "Latin America", to me, would be the places most directly responsible for the advancements of the entire world.
Just taking things based on the last few hundred years is really an injustice all together. No matter which group you speak of.
Martial Arts is still extremely important. After the guns have been fired and the missiles have been shot, the last victories usually depend on hand-to-hand combat of some kind.
Also, don't forget that drugs, opium, since the topic is Asia, is a major tool in any and every major "government" to keep it's people on a not-so-subtle, but highly effective level of weakness.
Mental, physical and eventually spiritual.
The world isn't the way it used to be and neither are the people. There are enough distractions in any society to hinder people from reaching their full potential, so don't pretend like it's a DNA problem.
I Don't Know If "martial Arts" Has Its Origin Specifically In Kmt, I Do Know That "martial Arts" Has It's Origin With Original People And The Earliest Revelation Of This Art Is Out Of What Is Now Called Africa. From What I've Learned The "art" Was Brought To The Continent Now Called Asia To The Various Temples And People By The People Of That Land Commonly Known Today As Africa.
There are many different kinds of people that inhabitant that land commonly known today as Africa. To lump Egyptian culture in with the other cultures of Africa is wrong. The Egyptians were far superior culturally and technologically than the other regions of Africa. Egypt itself was split until Menes unified it.
Your way of seeing things is that if something was invented in Rome, than, because the Germanic barbarian tribes inhabited Europe at the time, then what Roman culture invented somehow would belong to Germanic tribes too.
I don't agree with that logic.
how things are "now" isn't how they always were in the past. the original inhabitants of that land (africa) among all other lands (the planet earth) were "black" people.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyTooch
it is correct to seperate egypt from all other civilizations that came before it for egypt is not the original nor did the original people call themselves egyptians nor did they refer to their land as egypt. egypt comes from a foreign people to that land.
to say that egypt was superior (technology wise and culture wise) is incorrect. what is the comparison being made with?
according to the "narmer pallette" and some egyptologist, menes did not unify anything especially egypt (for he did not rule "egypt")
Well, I know egyptologists who say he did indeed unify them. And the comparison with Egypt was with the other regions of Africa. And yes, they were superior to those culturally and technologically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
I never said you could measure based on someone's nationality.
Also, I never had a problem with Kung Fu movies. I grew up on them too. I SAID (please listen/read what I say and not add you own meaning into it) that kung fu movies were popular for the KUNG FU in the mainly, not because the chinese were great film makers. And I never said I didn't enjoy any kung fu movies....in factthe corniness of the movies became part of the cult culture. An example of this is the jokes around dubbing...the funny voices etc. Look at Kung Fu Hustle, kung fool...there's are even send ups of the genre for these. Does that mean I don't like the movies at all? No.
And I know I was influenced by them. Me probably more than most you people on here. I practice Wu Dang Xing Yi Liuhe....I wouldn't be doing that if not for the movies...But I also moved away from the movies alot to documentaries on Shaolin monks etc.
You make here the assumption, that because the movies influenced me, or that I enjoyed them, or that they had sometihng that interested me - that there was no room for improvement.
NO! They did all that despite being cheaply made, often-times corny movies which held something in them (the kung fu, legends etc). Had they been made without bad acting, funny fight scenes, on big budgets, with good character development and stories....they would have been better. In recent times we have seen some movies like this. Crouching Tiger is an example....and while not my favourite kung fu movie, it is an example of the kung fu legend etc still being there with the film making improved.
The name subtle energies has nothing at all to do with kung fu?
And please explain how assuming asians have a huge sex drive coz there is a alot of them does not jump to a huge conclusion? If you read Out of Eden a book on the people of the world it explains many factors such as the plague, and a huge volcanic erruption that happened in south asia that wiped out large populations of other races. Like I said the fact there is alot of Asians is largely due to the fact they had stability in their societies comparitively, and lack of things such as the black plague etc...which wipes out like half a race. It is more to do with luck than sex drive.
And besides following your logic that would mean Africans, who make up about 8% of the planet I think, despite having the most pheremones, would, by your logic have a low sex-drive?
You have overlooked huge macro-environmental factors and jumped to the conclusion that the most prolific multipliers would be so simply because they have the sex drive to do it. Successful reproduction and survival of a race isn't the same as their urge to have sex.
Bruce Lee....Yes, I will give you that. He had a charisma. Like I said though...there would be asians that are just as charismatic...just not as many. I could name another 10 blacks...you would be struggling to name another 2 asians and you know it.
If you pick up the book Destructive Emotions it has scientific research on the personality differences (By the Dalai Lama who is asian). Asians generally are introverted more than westerners and blacks. Many asians also find westerners blunt, loud etc.
AND HOW does asian cinema make asians unintroverted? LMAO....that's like saying white people can all box and Rocky Balbao is the proof.
I think you are have trouble understanding alot of what I say here...and you logic is kinda dodgey...read what I wrote properly...and please reply with things that make sense.
If you are gonna be emotional and defend the point coz you FEEL it is wrong, don't waste my time.
kung fu movie talk...my list
http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371
fot those who didnt know about it
peace
no one said anything about ''great film makers''.. and besides what film makers of the 70's-early to mid 80's are you comparing them tooQuote:
Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies
if they were ''corny'' so is the whole basis of wu tang, because that's where their characters come from [odb, the abbot. etc]Quote:
And I never said I didn't enjoy any kung fu movies....in factthe corniness of the movies became part of the cult culture.
there's nothing ''corny'' about ''8 diagream pole fighter''
that was part of the humor in them.. the only people who think they were ''corny joke'' materiel is corny americansQuote:
An example of this is the jokes around dubbing...
that they were ''often corny'' is a matter of opinion. MOST movies are often cornyQuote:
NO! They did all that despite being cheaply made, often-times corny movies which held something in them (the kung fu, legends etc).
8 diagram pole fighter alone shits on your whole arguementQuote:
Had they been made without bad acting, funny fight scenes,
you're grasping at straws.Quote:
on big budgets, with good character development and stories....
opinionQuote:
they would have been better.
lmaoQuote:
In recent times we have seen some movies like this. Crouching Tiger is an example....
first jackie chan now crouching tiger, this shows you're a novice
compared to what.. you're speaking about movies that were made in the 70's and early 80'sQuote:
and while not my favourite kung fu movie, it is an example of the kung fu legend etc still being there with the film making improved.
grasping at straws
i'm not arguing for any peoples ''sex drive'' i'm stating the obvious which makes your [''scientific''] arguement irrelevant if not ignorantQuote:
And please explain how assuming asians have a huge sex drive coz there is a alot of them does not jump to a huge conclusion?
''luck'' is not a good arguementQuote:
If you read Out of Eden a book on the people of the world it explains many factors such as the plague, and a huge volcanic erruption that happened in south asia that wiped out large populations of other races. Like I said the fact there is alot of Asians is largely due to the fact they had stability in their societies comparitively, and lack of things such as the black plague etc...which wipes out like half a race. It is more to do with luck than sex drive.
and plagues in general were known to all people
not at allQuote:
And besides following your logic that would mean Africans, who make up about 8% of the planet I think, despite having the most pheremones, would, by your logic have a low sex-drive?
again i'm not here to argue for any peoples ''sex drive',' i'm stating the obvious which makes your [''scientific''] arguement irrelevant if not ignorant
Yi wasn't comparing africans and asians, you were. and unless you've lived in several asian societies you're assertions are irrelevant if not ignorantQuote:
Bruce Lee....Yes, I will give you that. He had a charisma. Like I said though...there would be asians that are just as charismatic...just not as many. I could name another 10 blacks...you would be struggling to name another 2 asians and you know it.
first of all many asians are ''black'', and how the word introvert is used in western society carries negative connotations making your ''source'' irrevelant if not ignorantQuote:
If you pick up the book Destructive Emotions it has scientific research on the personality differences (By the Dalai Lama who is asian). Asians generally are introverted more than westerners and blacks. Many asians also find westerners blunt, loud etc.
i don't appreciate the straw man arguement you're giving. i'm saying asian cinema as a product of their culture is full CHARISMA.Quote:
AND HOW does asian cinema make asians unintroverted? LMAO....that's like saying white people can all box and Rocky Balbao is the proof.
charisma
c.1930, from Ger., used by Max Weber (1864-1920) in "Wirtschaft u. Gesellschaft" (1922) for "gift or power of leadership or authority," from Gk. kharisma "favor, divine gift," from kharizesthai "to show favor to," from charis "grace, beauty, kindness," related to chairein "to rejoice at," from PIE base *gher- "to desire, like."
you'd be hard pressesd to show me a western or african film like ''curse of the golden flower''
how is "egypt" superior to those other nations and what are these others nations you're comparing them to? saying "other regions of africa" isn't a nation, country, tribe......Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyTooch
I say this because I wrote that the day after I went to a lecture with an egyptologist with a PhD, so its not like im pulling this stuff out of my ass. Egypt was a product of being located on the Nile river, one of the most fertile places in Africa, and the main reason why they became culturally and technologically advanced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
Other regions? Well, sub saharan Africa, the whole of it, did not approach the civilization of Egypt. Nubia, south of egypt, never approached the height of its northern neighbor.THis could almost be considered common knowledge to anyone who has taken a college level pre Industrial Revolution course.
And I didn't say racially or genetically superior, I said CULTURALLY and TECHNOLOGICALLY superior...which they were.
I never took a college course on this and my World History teacher was trying to give me a slot in the class to lecture on ancient African civilization. KMT always pulled back to their fore bearers the Nubians whenever they got in trouble. The civilization migrated outward from the great lakes region. Since the Hapi was so fertile and life sustaining it's only natural that KMT was so abundant in technology and spirituality. People had time to chart the stars and build great nations.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyTooch
I'm practicing an artform that a Shaolin nun created. I could never rob her from the title of Jo Si. With this thread I just want to shine light on the originators of the Martial Arts. Not the originators of every distinct art. Different geographic and cultural features influenced the different arts. I just wanted to show some of the original artifacts. More research must be done, but the story still needs to be told.
LOL...there is no logic in most the points you say. You take what I say and extrapolate it out to suit yourself....eg. the whole 8 diagram pole fighter....
Also, why does knowing Crouching Tiger make me a novice...? I am sure you have seen it.
And I am sure my knowledge of Wu Dang Shan shits on yours, and of martial arts in general.....but I am sorry if I actually liked the real thing as opposed to the movies.
You don't address points you just say things totally unrelated and then say you have disproved what I said LMAO. Example: my scientific argument is invalid because you are "stating the obvious"? LMAO THAT'S GREAT! THAT IS SUCH A CONCLUSIVE REFUTE OF WHAT I SAID.
AND YES we were comparing Africans and Asians...that is precisely how the topic came up.
And luck isn't a good argument? What the fuck logic are you basing that on? If I go and win the lottery and become rich and then two people were to debate over the reason for my wealth and one said "he had the luck of winning the lottery", that would be a bad argument? LOL....
Also, I already addressed the issue of "black asians" in a previous post. And the book also differentiates between asians, asians who are mixed with indigenous populations, mongoloids etc.
Also, are you RETARDED? I said in the post before I wasn't referring to the roots of the word charisma, but it's popular usage and I even proposed the synonym of "personal magnetism" to help you understand in what context I was using it...how hard is it?
And the movie industry (AS I SAID ALREADY) of a culture doesn't tell us much about the people, of course the most charismatic and creative people of any culture will be drawn to the movie industry...and I still don't think asian cinema is the best in the world.
Also, my original point was the correlations of personality types....you seem to be taking it very literally that I some how think no asians have ANY personal magnetism or extroverted characteristics. My point was that biology of races are different. Hence in a cross section of say 10 000 Asians and 10 000 Africans then percentage wise, you could expected a higher number of extroverts, creatives etc from among the Africans. Then reason this is relevant in the discussion of cultures should be self-evident.
Seriously...this is my last post responding to your points unless you start to make sense and discuss it logically rather than refuting what I say with things like "I am stating the obvious so your science is wrong" and "luck isn't a good argument"
I understand that this was not directed at me, but, if I may interject a few things....When you say Africans are more extroverted than Asians...Are we talking Americans? Which Asians are we talking about? Far East? Mid-East?Quote:
Originally Posted by SubtleEnergies
I think you make alot of generalizations that may be true even in alot of cases, but unless you prove it scientifically, it really holds no type of usefulness unfortunately.
On the whole 'luck isn't a good argument' note.....Luck or 'location' was the reason certain civilizations flourished. Is location luck??? Or is hitting the lottery location? Being in the right place at the right time. A chance encounter. Just some ramblings.
I know they are generalisation. INFACT, that is exactly what I said they were.
I would be talking about Africans, and those of African origin in America would probably also have been influenced by the culture there as well. Also, I understand some African cultures may cultivate a different culture...but I am talking here of the biological differences. The book I mentioned earlier compared some psychological differences (in scientific studies), and emotional between whites and asians. Why Africans weren't included, I guess it was a limited study.
As to which Asians, it is mainly the Chinese that I am referring to. As I said, alot of asians are mixes of other races. And I definitely would not class Middle Easterners as introverted. Infact, I think Arabs are the most obvious example of a firey, proud, extroverted people. I would think most people would agree with that, but of course there are exceptions, but over all they are that type of people. I think there is more to it than simply culture.
I think biologically we are different. And I think your biology affects the functioning of the mind. Metu Neter mentions studies of the differences in psychology between races I am not sure if it actually lists them in the appendices though.
I have no conrete proof, but there is none to the contrary either. Maybe it is something that SHOULD be openly studied. It could be useful to know the differences...provided people can be objective and recognize differences are not bad.
I am not sure what you mean with the luck bit. But All I meant was that a certain population may be larger due to avoiding natural disasters and plagues etc that wipe out large proportions of their population. I think that is winning the lottery, since they travelled to a location, not knowing that being there may help the avoid such disasters. Also, those around the areas where these happened we unlucky....they couldn't have known their location would cost them.