Land Of The Free, Home Of The Brave...Really?

US was always propagated like the land of freedom and opportunities. Prosperous people live there their american dream. And there was always some evil country that was trying to destroy american way of life coz they cant stand amount of freedom and prosper in the US.
Now, how the fuck US have more people locked up then communist China? More then Russia?
Considering population number in each country and political system this is just absurd.

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The United States has less than 5 percent of the world’s population. But it has almost a quarter of the world’s prisoners.

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The United States has, for instance, 2.3 million criminals behind bars, more than any other nation, according to data maintained by the International Center for Prison Studies at King’s College London.

China, which is four times more populous than the United States, is a distant second, with 1.6 million people in prison. (That number excludes hundreds of thousands of people held in administrative detention, most of them in China’s extrajudicial system of re-education through labor, which often singles out political activists who have not committed crimes.)

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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/us/23prison.html?_r=1
this article is one year old but i guess theres no drastic changes in numbers.


If thats the type of freedoms America want to bring in any corner of the planet, thanks ill pass.

prisoners make the government money

yea and im suuuuuure china and russia keep real great statistics on their prisons.

you think you can watch tv in a chinese or russian prison?

you think they even bother giving you legit trials and appeals and shit over there? half the time they just probably take you out back and shoot you like a dog.

get off the usa's nutts like that for real for real.

Russia and China execute most of their prisoners. I highly doubt Moscow has a clue what goes down in the far east of the country.

For China, a communist nation is basically one big prison anyway, jus ask someone from Tibet or East Turkistan.

Because the United States offers people so much personal freedom and is a society based on individualism, people are more likely to deviate.

If you give an inch, people will take a mile.

People commit more crimes in the US.

Imagine what would happen if people got caught committing the same crime in the US, Russia, and China.

Who would be the most lenient?

you remember that recent incident about the bad baby milk formula that came from china? some came to the US, some babies got sick and died and what not. the perpetrators added something they shouldnt have to increase the protein content so they could sell it for more money. but they did it knowing what they were adding wasnt safe.

guess what china did to them?

executed them.

that chinese justice for you.

The chinese execute about a 1000 people a year the USA around 50 or so I believe. So it cant be said that China would have more prisoners if they didnt execute so many people. The USA would have about the same number of prisoners as China if it wernt for the "war on drugs" which has doubled our prison population in the last 30 years. And made prisons are a billion dollar industry.

To quote Prince "Land of the free somebody lied, they can bug my phone and peep around my home." lol Its sad how people are so acustomed to the idea of incarceration that anyother alternative is unimaginable. I wish I had the answer but alas I do not. I do know its not throwing people in a cage tho.

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Originally Posted by whitey

you remember that recent incident about the bad baby milk formula that came from china? some came to the US, some babies got sick and died and what not. the perpetrators added something they shouldnt have to increase the protein content so they could sell it for more money. but they did it knowing what they were adding wasnt safe.

guess what china did to them?

executed them.

that chinese justice for you.

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Exactly. I heard about that going down. Imagine being the CEO of a company and your production line workers fuck up the milk and now your gonna get executed.


Talk about sharing the blame.

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Originally Posted by LadiesLoveCoolDan

If you give an inch, people will take a mile.

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pusseh

^its not Halloween you can take that Hot Topic Bandana off.

^ahahahahhahaha

the Us gov has to keep a certain amount of ppl in prison so that the unemployment rate won't look bonkers, our population is too big to have a reasonable unemployment rate if there's a reasonable amount of prisoners.

also, alot of politicians use arrests as political statistic manipulation tools, a professor that worked for the statistic burdue told me

on top of that americans are fucking nuts.
the combination of drug culture and gun culture plus the emphasis on enforcing the law fuck it all up.

^if muh fuckers had reasonable employable skills it aint no thing. who the fuck wants to higher some drug dealing ass no skilled muh fuckers for a real job? they may be capable of more shit, i dont doubt that, but they make choice to go that rout, so its not that the gov needs to keep them in prison. they make the choice to break a clearly defined law that they know will put them in prison. if the drug dealing population chose to take up an illegal act that they know has the possibility of putting them in jail thats their fault. thats no fault of the government. i, personally dont think they should be arrested for drugs, but isn't to up to me, its up to the gov, and the laws are clearly defined.

most all other laws, people deserve to be behind bars for breaking. and this country does a pretty good job of getting those fuckers behind bars.

but dont bullshit where this country purposely puts people behind bars. yea they may put some people there that are actually good people and can do other things, but they still clearly disobey the law, a law that can clearly land them in jail.

i dont cry for those Argentinians.

well if everyone had skills in the us, like everyone, with educations and shit, there wouldn't be enough jobs to go around.

the unemployment would be 3rd world looking if we didn't manipulate the definition of unemployed and used statistic and population redistribution methods like jail.

welfare is also a way used to keep jobs open, as well as public housing and sometimes war.

with out all that, even if, and expecially if, everyone was a skilled worker we would collapse.


sure they should be punished, i'm not saying they're innocent, im just telling you that a long time ago the gov found the advantage to locking ppl up and has kept it real ever since.

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Originally Posted by speakonitgod

pusseh

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China has a collectivist culture where differences and atypical behavior is frowned upon. There is great institutional pressure for people to be the same, or they are shunned by society.

Chinese feel such pressure to blend in, they are less likely to be deviant. And their punishments are much harsher.

In the USA, Chinese kids can pretend to be black and spraypaint buildings in the gayest city in the world, and still have a couple of nerdy white friends to play D&D with.

With personal freedom and individualistic culture, a human is likely to be more fulfilled, but is also more likely to engage in deviant behavior.

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Originally Posted by LadiesLoveCoolDan

China has a collectivist culture where differences and atypical behavior is frowned upon. There is great institutional pressure for people to be the same, or they are shunned by society.

Chinese feel such pressure to blend in, they are less likely to be deviant. And their punishments are much harsher.

In the USA, Chinese kids can pretend to be black and spraypaint buildings in the gayest city in the world, and still have a couple of nerdy white friends to play D&D with.

With personal freedom and individualistic culture, a human is likely to be more fulfilled, but is also more likely to engage in deviant behavior.

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Lmao

threadstarter got owened




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Originally Posted by LadiesLoveCoolDan

Because the United States offers people so much personal freedom and is a society based on individualism, people are more likely to deviate.

If you give an inch, people will take a mile.

People commit more crimes in the US.

Imagine what would happen if people got caught committing the same crime in the US, Russia, and China.

Who would be the most lenient?

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Well, yeah maybe.

But i'd say the USA's high level on incarceration is more related to it's criminal legislation.

Harsh criminal penalties and mandatory sentencing would be the main causes.

There is no point comparing the US to countries like Russia and more particularly China.

The human rights records in both countries is reprehensible.

Compare the USA with other western nations, and there is a huge discrepancy in levels of incarceration.

To end up in prison here, you really need to continually fuck up and fuck up badly.

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Originally Posted by Slang Gargoyle

Exactly. I heard about that going down. Imagine being the CEO of a company and your production line workers fuck up the milk and now your gonna get executed.


Talk about sharing the blame.

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Not really.

The senior employees who were executed knew about the contamination and did nothing about it.

Which is why, they were executed.

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Originally Posted by TSA

^ahahahahhahaha

the Us gov has to keep a certain amount of ppl in prison so that the unemployment rate won't look bonkers, our population is too big to have a reasonable unemployment rate if there's a reasonable amount of prisoners.

also, alot of politicians use arrests as political statistic manipulation tools, a professor that worked for the statistic burdue told me

on top of that americans are fucking nuts.
the combination of drug culture and gun culture plus the emphasis on enforcing the law fuck it all up.

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Originally Posted by whitey

^if muh fuckers had reasonable employable skills it aint no thing. who the fuck wants to higher some drug dealing ass no skilled muh fuckers for a real job? they may be capable of more shit, i dont doubt that, but they make choice to go that rout, so its not that the gov needs to keep them in prison. they make the choice to break a clearly defined law that they know will put them in prison. if the drug dealing population chose to take up an illegal act that they know has the possibility of putting them in jail thats their fault. thats no fault of the government. i, personally dont think they should be arrested for drugs, but isn't to up to me, its up to the gov, and the laws are clearly defined.

most all other laws, people deserve to be behind bars for breaking. and this country does a pretty good job of getting those fuckers behind bars.

but dont bullshit where this country purposely puts people behind bars. yea they may put some people there that are actually good people and can do other things, but they still clearly disobey the law, a law that can clearly land them in jail.

i dont cry for those Argentinians.

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Originally Posted by TSA

well if everyone had skills in the us, like everyone, with educations and shit, there wouldn't be enough jobs to go around.

the unemployment would be 3rd world looking if we didn't manipulate the definition of unemployed and used statistic and population redistribution methods like jail.

welfare is also a way used to keep jobs open, as well as public housing and sometimes war.

with out all that, even if, and expecially if, everyone was a skilled worker we would collapse.

sure they should be punished, i'm not saying they're innocent, im just telling you that a long time ago the gov found the advantage to locking ppl up and has kept it real ever since.

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Hm, interesting idea.

You may be correct.

Although i'd think that off shoring and out sourcing in the US is the main cause of unemployment.

In reply to your last point, and whitey's in part.

I'm not so sure.

Jail pretty much just encourages people to re offend.

Criminals who spend prolonged periods in prison are much more likely to re offend.

Harsher sentencing has never been proven as an effective disincentive to crime.

Conversely, it just contributes to a cycle of criminal activity and incarceration.

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Originally Posted by TSA

on top of that americans are fucking nuts.
the combination of drug culture and gun culture plus the emphasis on enforcing the law fuck it all up.

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People do not realize how terrible crack is and how it single-handedly ruins communities. Add guns to the mix and the dealers just are more fearsome. Plus its pop culture and glorifyed with every rapper and their mother talkin about they sold crack, like its some rite of passage and thats normanl.
Problem is...it IS normal and thats not normal.

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Originally Posted by LadiesLoveCoolDan

China has a collectivist culture where differences and atypical behavior is frowned upon. There is great institutional pressure for people to be the same, or they are shunned by society.

Chinese feel such pressure to blend in, they are less likely to be deviant. And their punishments are much harsher.

In the USA, Chinese kids can pretend to be black and spraypaint buildings in the gayest city in the world, and still have a couple of nerdy white friends to play D&D with.

With personal freedom and individualistic culture, a human is likely to be more fulfilled, but is also more likely to engage in deviant behavior.

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oooooh shit




In alot of ways the U.S. is still like the Wild West only 'modernized'....its a vast country with so many different types of people here and the whole society is based on individualism, free expression and private enterprise and making money if you can.

Its a pedal to the metal type of culture.......its just the way it is here.