Astral Projection: have you done it? what do you think about it?

i think AP is one of the most important keys to figuring out the actual nature of human existence. it goes a long way towards clarifying the point that we are composed of dual aspects; we are spiritual beings temporarily inhabiting a biological machine. the West has, with the polytheistic religion of science (it deifies the five senses by worshiping them), confined our understanding of life to the corporeal level, which is equivalent to taking a literal meaning from the most intricate metaphor. that's why there's so much built-in guilt and confusion in Western society, because if you only take into account the lower aspect of the self then life appears to be senseless torture. but AP debunks all the discontents of the Western world; we are not simply physical bodies. consciousness is variable; it is not dependent upon the physical medium for awareness. this has been proven numerous times and is irrefutable. i just got Robert Bruce's two excellent guidebooks on the subject, Astral Dynamics and A 90-Day Guide to Astral Projection after hearing a recording of him on Coast-to-Coast AM. he's a very experienced projector and has formulated a science as to how to achieve projection, and his theories on the many aspects of the astral experience are equally as valuable, as well. i've gotta be an astral traveler, the confinement of the soul to this physical world is too maddening at times ("i'm going CRAZY in this biological universe!")...who all in here has had astral experiences? i remember years ago back when i was posting here all the time there were several awesome threads about AP and lucid dreaming so i'm sure there are some experienced heads in here. what were those astral experiences like? did you have to conquer the astral noise before escaping your body?

Isn't real.

I used to think I was doing it.

Your mind can do a lot of weird shit naturally. A few books on philosophical materialism and the use of acid fixed any idealist misconceptions I had.

that's a materialist perception though...it underestimates the true nature of human beings. near-death experiences are proof enough...people suddenly find themselves hovering above their hospital beds as the body flat-lines yet they still able to perceive everything that's going on in a perfectly lucid manner, and when resuscitated they're able to tell doctors and family members, much to their surprise, exactly what was going on in minute detail when according to science they were totally unable of perceiving anything at all since they were "dead".

there's no evidence that consciousness is even based in the body in the first place...the brain is a computer for consciousness, not the source of it. many people astral project on a regular basis and they come across common things...it's not some phantasmal product of the mind. it's real to the point that it's become a scientific discipline.

you should youtube Bruce's interview on Coast to Coast, very fascinating stuff...how did acid and philosophical materialism disabuse you of belief in astral projection?

Astral Projection is very real.

Controlled and intended AP is very rare though and takes practice.

I've seen and heard about the book you mentioned and still look forward to purchasing it in the near future.

Everyone APs every single time they go to sleep. It's precisely what happens when we dream. The body is at rest, true enough, however, the soul is travelling through space and time, though still attached to the body. This is why, even in dreamtime, we can hear things in this dimension that wake us. The voice of a loved one, or the ringing of a telephone or alarm system.

I've tried AP a few times and have felt my soul detaching from my body. I didn't get very far though, because I have to get used to doing it consciously. It's actually a bit scary feeling your soul leave your body while you're awake. One of the first lessons I was taught was, "Don't be afraid to leave...." Easier said than done, but well worth the time and effort.

I'm glad you started this thread because I was going to start one that was asking the question of, "How do we begin to re-trace the steps of the Ancients?" This, I definitely believe, would be among the top-5 steps.

The ability to AP whenever you wish affords you a priceless opportunity to find out about creation itself, how you relate to it, how you can never be separated from it and how it is a mutually beneficial relationship between all of us.

The mind cannot be measured, nor can it's possibilities be structured. Mind is energy. Energy itself is formless until a purpose of action is put behind it. Therefore the possibilities are limitless.

What is astral projection?

What is it's purpose?

What could you do with it?

very true Urban Journalz...our life can be measured on a continuum from material experience to non-material experience, which is why i think it's important to understand state-specific memory; during waking reality when we have body consciousness we are only aware of what the physical waking brain experiences, disregarding all of our numerous non-material episodes, which the waking physical brain has a hard time processing. many have philosophized that perhaps our dream reality is more real than our physical reality, which i believe to be accurate. the physical matrix is on the lowest end of the vibratory spectrum. and i think a big step towards reacquainting ourselves with the ancients would be to check out the Akashic records, which according to Bruce, Edgar Cayce, Manly P. Hall, HP Blavatsky and many others in different cultures through time is something of an astral library of all of existence, a compendious record of all creation's infinite perceptions and experiences. if you go there you can look up anything you want to, past, present or future.

FMJ, astral projection is the ability to shift your consciousness from your physical body to its projected energy bodies while you are meditating or in a deep trance. as UJ said we all project every night, it's just that we don't have waking consciousness in these energy bodies that are left free to roam as the physical body rests, though perhaps dreams are snippets of these episodes. your spirit does not actually leave your body when you astral project; if that were to happen your body would shut down. instead, the human energy body produces a projected energy body with a capacity for full consciousness. when you project you are outside of your body and aware of it. you can wander around the physical universe in what's called the 'real-time zone', which is something like a mirror dimension to our known physical universe. or you can check out higher astral planes, where you may see just about anything, apparently. it's pretty amazing to read about, here's the Bruce coast to coast interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQyNJSSrY5Y

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you can wander around the physical universe in what's called the 'real-time zone', which is something like a mirror dimension to our known physical universe. or you can check out higher astral planes, where you may see just about anything, apparently....

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Ok, you could do all that, but for what purpose?

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Ok, you could do all that, but for what purpose?

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Freedom, knowledge, & preparation.

why confine your waking consciousness to physicality if you can astral project? you're free to wander different aspects of the universe at your own leisure with no limits. the sense of adventure would be exhilirating. and since we are going to leave our bodies at some point anyway, we might as well get used to operating separate from it.

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Freedom, knowledge, & preparation.

why confine your waking consciousness to physicality if you can astral project? you're free to wander different aspects of the universe at your own leisure with no limits. the sense of adventure would be exhilirating. and since we are going to leave our bodies at some point anyway, we might as well get used to operating separate from it.

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Balllistic, have you ever read, "The Emerald Tablets of Thoth The Atlantean"? In the fourth tablet, "The Space Born", when he's speaking upon his early days on Atlantis, he tells us that upon mastery of, "The knowledge which belonged to Earth's youth.." he was finally able to leave his body, seemingly at will.

"Year after year, I sought after wisdom, seeking new knowledge, until at last my SOUL, in great travail, broke from it's bondage and bounded away. Free was I from the bondage of Earth-men. Free from the body, I flashed through the night. Unlocked, at last, for me was the star-space. Free was I from the bondage of night (Night here, meaning the darkness of the soul). Now to the end of space sought I wisdom, far beyond the knowledge of finite man.

Far into space my SOUL traveled freely into infinity's circle of light. Strange, beyond knowledge, were some of the planets, great and gigantic, beyond dreams of men. Yet found I Law, in all of it's beauty, working through and among them as here among men. Flashed forth my soul through infinity's beauty, far through space I flew with my thoughts."

He goes on to describe a planet that he rested upon during his journey and the high and low states of consciousness that are prevalent all through the galaxy, not just on our own planet.

This next paragraph is one of my favorites because it's just one of many examples of the profound, true and comforting examples of our true and forgotten nature. Same chapter....

"Know, O man, that LIGHT is thine heritage. Know that darkness is only a veil. Sealed in thine heart is brightness eternal, waiting the moment of freedom to conquer, waiting to rend the veil of the night."

Let me know if you've read it or not, if not, I or someone who knows where to find it, will send you a link.

didn't read all of the post but


the minds eye has been to places the body has not gone to

I wouldent say Astral projection is a clearly defined and scientifcally proven state, but a lot of people do report it happening, i guess its different for each person but they use the term "astral projection" to define it.

yeah but the thing is the foundation of modern science is too weak to be able to account for out-of-body experiences. it's too limited in its scope. in the esoteric circles spirituality and science are one unified conglomerate not to be understood without the presence of the other. our science is one of division, limitation, short-sightedness. the mutually-supporting testimonies of people who have had near-death/out-of-body experiences should be enough proof.

Urban Journalz, i have seen variations of the Emerald Tablet where Thoth Hermes Trismegistus lays the foundation for the science of alchemy and says "As above, so below". i don't remember reading the passage you just posted though so i'd definitely like to check that out some more.

check this passage out from Astral Dynamics:

"Astral matter is the ether, the underlying substance of which all subtle dimensions are composed, including the real-time zone. This is extremely sensitive to consciousness, and reacts to thought energy in the same way as physical matter reacts to force. Astral matter can be molded by thought into any shape or form imaginable. Thought creations can be so perfect as to be indistinguishable from reality."

maybe this is off topic maybe not

but the past year or so i been getting these electrical type pulses through my body when i sleep. usually when im falling asleep or when im coming out of sleep. its feels strange becuase it only happens when i am in a certain mind state when it happens. an unexplainable state.

ii bring this up here becuase when i woke up this morning i had this feeling i was walking out of my body and then i got the electrical pulses in both legs from the hip down when i "came back"

sometimes i wake up in the middle of the night because i get this feeling im leaving my body and i get scared and wake up cause i think if i dont i will die.

anybody else get the electrical pulses? its not a seizure, i guess it could be but it doesnt happen if i dont let it, usually when i ....idk when i let it

Sounds close to sleep paralysis.

I HAD SLEEP paralysis one time i didnt know what it was. i woke up(not completely) and i couldnt move my left arm i tried and tried and treid to move my arm and i couldnt until i completely woke up.

what i am talking about is different. im not paralyzed.

i just feel currents going through my body and i think my mind state controls it.

i keep telling myself one of these days im going to follow it and just go with it but when it hapens i get scared and wake up vuz im afraid ill die, like if i go i wont be able to come back

yeah it sounds like you're right on the verge of projecting if you really wanted to...for some people it just comes more natural. in Astral Dynamics he talks about what sleep paralysis may be...he says that you become conscious in your immobilized body while its projected double is having a spontaneous projection...in other words, you're on the other side of the astral projection...this is known as the mind-split effect...when you're projecting you have two separate currents of consciousness: the projected double and the physical body, and it's not uncommon to experience a flickering back and forth between these two currents in a projection situation. so waking paralysis may happen when "you" have already projected but you wake up in your physical body...

About those Akashic Records, I've heard a lot about them, but have yet to study them in depth. How would we access them? Is it a case of deep meditation? Or is it a case of of a serious trance-like state like the ones Edgar Cayce experienced?

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I HAD SLEEP paralysis one time i didnt know what it was. i woke up(not completely) and i couldnt move my left arm i tried and tried and treid to move my arm and i couldnt until i completely woke up.

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when i get it (multiple times every night; narcolepsy?) my entire body is paralyzed. i know i'm awake but i can't move and i'm still dreaming. if i open my eyes, i get terrifying hypnogagic hallucinations, so i always sleep on my stomach to reduce it. seriously the worst

and to dude who mentioned the emerald tablets of thoth the atlantean, i heard vinnie paz mention that shit on their first album lol! i never knew what he was referring to

Sometimes I astral project myself into the locker room of the Dallas cheerleaders.

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About those Akashic Records, I've heard a lot about them, but have yet to study them in depth. How would we access them? Is it a case of deep meditation? Or is it a case of of a serious trance-like state like the ones Edgar Cayce experienced?

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in Astral Dynamics the dude frames it as a place that can be reached during a conscious out-of-body experience. i'm guessing that meditation and trance are just different ways of separating from the body. he says that sometimes when you're out and you're wandering around your house in the real-time zone you may encounter anomalies, such as a room or an object not being where it usually is, and sometimes you'll even see a door where there isn't supposed to be one. if you see one of these anomalous doors he says that you should just walk through it with the strong intent of ending up at the Akashic Records and that way you'll usually end up there. or you can just zoom upward as fast as you can through the atmosphere with the intent of winding up at the Records and that will probably work too.

it's pretty awesome to think about...a record of all perceptual experience, a fluid pulsating all-encompassing Wikipedia of information...imagine being there and being able to look up anything you want... in the book he says that to us human projectors it appears as a library because that's our earthly interpretation of such a concept; thus he said that in recent times computers have been "added in" to the Records...you simply go in there with the question you are hoping to be answered prominent in your mind and then open the nearest book and you will then find yourself in the midst of the vision...

imagine waking up in your body after that kind of experience-

My brother does lucid dreaming. He says he can do whatever he wants in his dreams. We've talked about it before, but we've never spoken about the spiritual implications of it. We're going to discuss it next time I see him.

As far as astral projection, I've been contemplating morality so much lately, this sounds like something that could be a missing link between what we understand as life and death. I'm going to have to do the knowledge.

without a doubt...its like preparation for the next phase...if you can start doing it on a normal basis you'll probably be cured of any fear of death you may have had and the biggest mystery for the human race won't be a mystery to you at all...it seems like lucid dreaming and astral projection go hand in hand. they both require a similar skill set...being able to negotiate consciousness in a nonmaterial context...

Astral Projection is real. There is no debate. It is easy for a plutonian to claim it doesn't exist due to the fact they haven't been able to achieve it or they simply would prefer to remain in the lower densities of the nature of man.

All those who disagree should get Tiger Swiped. Sliced up like apple segments.

...welcome to the forums, smith

@Urban and Ballistic, I read your posts and repped you guys accordingly, although my rep to Urban was halted by the message that I had to spread my rep ability before submitting another one to you. And peace for all others who are dropping their thoughts.

I wish I had time to write something but I am so tired and I am off to work early in the morn. I'll try and drop a thought or two later.

hey good looks on linking me up to that corresponding topic on duality, Rai-

Having just gone through shakespearean literature in school i was actually thinking about this stuff. I'm not sure I agree though. I'm still undecided.

I'm pretty sure that death is death and that we're useless corporeals with no life purpose. However I do have a 10% of doubt which is of a divine soul and an animal avatar. I think much of human problems would come from our misbelief that we are the animal shell when we are not. People spend too much time feeding their body and base desires instead of their mental.

So not really wanting to read everything written in this thread, has anyone had legitimate astral projections? I've had low level psychic experiences like de ja vu, but I've never been able to do it intentionally or project.

Also, Akashic records? Isn't that a lovecraftian plot device?

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hey good looks on linking me up to that corresponding topic on duality, Rai-

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Having just gone through shakespearean literature in school i was actually thinking about this stuff. I'm not sure I agree though. I'm still undecided.

I'm pretty sure that death is death and that we're useless corporeals with no life purpose. However I do have a 10% of doubt which is of a divine soul and an animal avatar. I think much of human problems would come from our misbelief that we are the animal shell when we are not. People spend too much time feeding their body and base desires instead of their mental.

So not really wanting to read everything written in this thread, has anyone had legitimate astral projections? I've had low level psychic experiences like de ja vu, but I've never been able to do it intentionally or project.

Also, Akashic records? Isn't that a lovecraftian plot device?

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i like reading Shakespeare, Macbeth is the shit, but his stuff is even more interesting to read when you realize that it was probably Francis Scott Bacon who was penning the plays and that the plays themselves are esoteric allegories, not mere romantic playthings for an idle mind.

i'm confused--do you think we're merely physical animals of a purely corporeal nature, or do you think that we're spirits animating a physical shell?

i haven't experienced a legitimate projection yet, i'm in the process of doing energy work under the guidance of Robert Bruce which conceivably will get me to that point. i've experienced some vague lucid dreams, de ja vu, of course, and lots of 'ESP moments', i suppose you could say.

the concept of the Akashic Records has filtered down into pop culture, yes...but according to Bruce, Edgar Cayce, HP Blavatsky, Manly P Hall, and many others it's a real place, some sort of cosmic repository of all human knowledge that one can visit while projecting.