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Originally Posted by Prolifical ENG
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To not be a patriot is to be an idiot. A lot of people have different "ideas" of what a patriot is. However the agreed definition is....
Dictionary.com : "a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion."
If you don't love, support and are willing to defend your country..... You should get out and find a new one. Simply, we don't need you and if you don't want to be here then GTFO.
If you take advantage of your country during good times, but don't fight when it's necessary then I also say GTFO moocher.
Does "loving" your country mean you can't "criticize" the actions of the government...especially when they're wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
If I'm abducted by someone, and put in the back seat of the car...of course I don't want to be "abducted", but if my abductor is driving recklessly...I have a stake in speaking out against it...for his sake and mine.
Some of the GREATEST patriots of this nation were those who went against the "status quo", and condemned the government when its actions were unethical.
"Patriotism" is being used, these days, to bully people into submission to the status quo set up by those who want nothing but more and more power, with less and less accountability.
A True Patriot seeks what is best for the country and every single citizen. A FALSE patriot is one who seeks his own personal or political agenda, and uses "patriotism" to get everybody else to go along with it.
If you LOVE your country, don't be afraid to speak out against it when it is in error.
RM
So you feel if people do not conform to being a patriot they should find a new home?Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
hotttttt
stll pleaze
what if i came into your house and put a picture of Marcus Garvey on the wallQuote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
and made your children believe he was jesus, made you my butler, and had mulatto children with your girl, wouldn't you complain ?
if you're white, fuck you honkyQuote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
if you're black... *shakes head in disappointment*
What if he's neither? how does race come into question here?Quote:
Originally Posted by theheavens
No no no, Unequivocal Support of a single president and his agenda is retarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Muhammad
Co-SIGN!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Muhammad
Not all Patriotism is bad, But I agree that it is sometimes abused to bully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Muhammad
Co-Sign. co-sign. mutha fucking co-sign. Muhammad understands this shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Muhammad
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
If you are not willing to defend, support, contribute how can you expect to live their? Seriously? People fight to live in certain parts of the world. It is an expectation all citizens of the world must take up.
If your country was under attack and you COULD, but DIDN'T take up arms. Think about it. Benefit without Risk is for moochers.
Its not about "doing what bush says". It's about "taking proper action when your nation needs guidance". That's Patriotism.
Patriots will take action for what they think is best. That's why everyone should be one. The week should be cast out.
last i checked the world was round
lol matisyahu
Im a patriot of heaven that is where my home is.
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peace be with you !
it's easier to insult a country when you're living in it, so...suck a dickQuote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
I think that is all bullshit. What about the immigrants who are being told they are not wanted here but still do the shit no "patriot" would touch. Should they have to love, support, and defend a country with devotion where some in it don't respect or defend them? SERIOUSLY? I'm not saying I think they should leave, that's another topic entirely but I can see many situations where people should be permitted to live in the U.S. and not have to suck it's dick by being a "patriot". I for one will defend my home with my life if need be and will love my country as much as my hate fueled body will allow, but I will never support this country with devotion . I've been lied to way to often (see your 9/11 thread) and too many facts have been withheld from me to support my country with devotion. We got a pretty face in the white house now but that cat dont give a fuck about me, so i dont give a fuck about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
This country was built on peoples backs who could barely speak the language let alone love it or defend (mu'fuckas wouldn't even fight along side other races back in the day), should they be cast away for being weak, or would you bend the rules for them? What about deaf, blind mutes who might not have a way of communicating, should they be thrown out for not giving it up to the US and being even weaker people?
BEING A PATRIOT IS NOT ABOUT SUCKING DICK OF PAST/CURRENT PRESIDENTS ITS ABOUT CARING ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORS!!!!!!!!!!
BEING A PATRIOT IS NOT ABOUT SUCKING DICK OF PAST/CURRENT PRESIDENTS ITS ABOUT CARING ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORS!!!!!!!!!!
Your post criticizes America. When I'm talking about defending each person's OWN country. The argument of Patriotism is WORLDLY.
1. This is about being a patriot. You must be a citizen to be a patriot.Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
2. You are talking about immigration, and citizenship in America.
3. If you suck America's dick you are not a patriot you are a cock sucker.Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
4. Stay on topic. We are talking about Patriatism. If you think I'm a hypocrite start a "UC is a hypocrite thread". Throw some good points. It will be fun. But your last comment was worthless to this discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
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So If i am correct than....
We are not talking about immigration. We're not talking about loving the presidents cock. We're not talking about who should be a citizen. WERE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO USE THEIR NEIGHBORS WITHOUT GIVING BACK OR CARING TO GIVE BACK
FACT: People fought and DIED for the land you live on today. If you aren't prepared to defend the ground you live on THAN MOVE TO AN ISLAND AND WAIT TO BE ENSLAVED. I want the soldiers next to me.
People died for the dirt you sit on, but your apparently too good to fight. Good FUCKING luck defending your home without the support of a country. (Neighbors)
I will insult a country when it deserves insulting. I think every country has room for criticism. Is there point to your post?Quote:
Originally Posted by theheavens
Oh ya i almost forgot. You wanted a guy to suck a dick.....(fag)
If a deaf patriot cant fight that's cool. I said "People who could fight" Im sure he can contribute and care about his country. So he should stay.Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
You are a weak person if you take from your neighbors without ever returning the favor (or you refuse to return the favor)
Hella greedy shit you are spouting.
You apparently did not read the quote you quoted:
If someone tries to take my home myself and I'd imagine many others would be getting ready to fuck someone up. Just wanted to get that straight. Now we can continue.Quote:
I for one will defend my home with my life if need be
I am not criticizing, I'm simply using it as an example. Since I live here and have only lived here, it's the only example I can use. I can't speak for the world because I'm not sure if there meaning of patriot is the same as the US or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
Really, so the Native Americans, Chinese Laborers, or African Slaves could not have been patriots because they weren't citizens? I brought this up because your definition of a patriot was very straight-forward and it seemed like if you did not meet the criteria than your not a patriot, and if your not a patriot you should leave. to me that is fuckin bullshit and is related to immigration because I'm sure some immigrants love america just as much as fuckin obama, but wouldn't want to fight for it because a lot of cats don't give a fuck about them. I don't think that makes there love for there home any less important than yours just because you were born here. Also citizenship is not mentioned in the agreed upon definition.Quote:
1. This is about being a patriot. You must be a citizen to be a patriot.
2. You are talking about immigration, and citizenship in America.
I think it's pretty apparent it was a figure of speech. Who am I to say if America has a dick or not. Might have a fuckin pussy for all I know.Quote:
3. If you suck America's dick you are not a patriot you are a cock sucker.
I literally laughed out loud when I read this shit. This statement was in reference to:Quote:
4. Stay on topic. We are talking about Patriatism. If you think I'm a hypocrite start a "UC is a hypocrite thread". Throw some good points. It will be fun. But your last comment was worthless to this discussion.
I just wanted to make it clear to you that I would fight for my country, but how could I trust a country that doesn't trust me to walking into it's fucking grocery stores?Quote:
If you are not willing to defend, support, contribute how can you expect to live their? Seriously? People fight to live in certain parts of the world. It is an expectation all citizens of the world must take up.
If your country was under attack and you COULD, but DIDN'T take up arms. Think about it. Benefit without Risk is for moochers.
See the first comment. I told you how I feel about this already, but I wanted to point out that that is not entirely a fact. "People fought and DIED for the land you live on today. " is a fact but " If you aren't prepared to defend the ground you live on THAN MOVE TO AN ISLAND AND WAIT TO BE ENSLAVED. I want the soldiers next to me." is an opinion. Just wanted to clarify.Quote:
FACT: People fought and DIED for the land you live on today. If you aren't prepared to defend the ground you live on THAN MOVE TO AN ISLAND AND WAIT TO BE ENSLAVED. I want the soldiers next to me.
Read my posts before you criticize what I would do and/or not do.Quote:
People died for the dirt you sit on, but your apparently too good to fight. Good FUCKING luck defending your home without the support of a country. (Neighbors)
Funny when I was reading the agreed upon definition it said nothing about this. Thanks for telling me. I'll go give my neighbors a hug right now to show them how patriotic I am. Should I salute the flag post or pre hugging.Quote:
BEING A PATRIOT IS NOT ABOUT SUCKING DICK OF PAST/CURRENT PRESIDENTS ITS ABOUT CARING ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORS!!!!!!!!!!
BEING A PATRIOT IS NOT ABOUT SUCKING DICK OF PAST/CURRENT PRESIDENTS ITS ABOUT CARING ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORS!!!!!!!!!!
How so, I think you are interpreting my posts inaccurately. I was simply stating a hypothetical question towards you that contradicts your definition of a patriot. I think if you love your home, and willing to do shit to the best of your abilities to help it prosper you could be considered a patriot. According to the definition they cannot be patriots.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
I would let you drop. Just because I don't care about people who are selfish towards their neighbors.Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
I know you have a limited vision. However, outside of your suburb is a world where people fight for their rights, beliefs, land, and neighbors. TIP: dont use a bad example that wont help your argumentQuote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
OMFG your going to say a slave is patriotic? LO FUCK L. Native Americans, Chinese Laborers, or African Slaves we're considered guests or property. Your not a Patriot for building a railroad because a whip is to your back. Your labor. Thats ALL.Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
You have a personality besides short sighted hyper-sensitive black man? Could a fooled me.Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
You can trust any country like you can trust a shit to smell like roses. You can be a patriot and not trust a person, group, government agency. If the Arabs at the quik-e-mart upsets you to the point you wont support your neighbors. THAT'S VERY NARROW MINDED AND IGNORANT.Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
If you don't subscribe to any country. You don't have allies. You don't have an army. YOUR ASS IS GOING TO BE TAKEN OVER.Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
Clearly Abanks has never been out of an American suburb.
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Originally Posted by abanks47
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That is called a "F.a.m.i.l.y."
Your not a patriot unless you care about your "C.o.u.n.t.r.y." like an extended neighbor.
PLEASE DON'T TELL ME "Defending your home makes you a Patriot."
Get your definition down.... Get your argument down.... Get your shit written down so I can argue how much you DONT KNOW
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Originally Posted by theheavens
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Originally Posted by theheavens
you don't agree
don't be disrespectful though
The history of a country cannot and should not trump the notion "you should care about your neighbors today". People need to move forward when it comes to the issues of "support, defense". Otherwise you are isolating yourself and working toward xenophobic tendencies within a society.Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
Do you like being a part of your neighborhood? YES/NO
If you said YES than good for you.
If you said NO than I wish you the best of luck. Maybe you should move where you would like it.
There are many ethnic groups that live in Russia that don't necessarily subscribe to the country. Where they live they don't need to worry about many threats.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
However in some parts of southeast asia, the national boarders are quite different than the ones drawn on even the most updated world maps. Some of the villages that reside between 2 powers pay taxes to both and have more protection.
the history of your country can determine how your neighbors view you - and treat you -Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
with no nation or country to call your own how much of a patriot can you be -
so patriotism is fighting and dieing for your neighbors now ?
my neighbors don't speak the same language as me - different culture - they were taught that black skin is from the devil - when one of them has a child who is to them "too dark" it's looked down on in their community - till this day - in america, i'm a foreigner
In what way am I selfish? If it came down to fighting would you pick and choose who you would defend?Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
Oh lordy, now I can see. You've shown me that there is a world out there. Shut the fuck up. I'm not referencing my neighborhood I'm referencing America and I think people are stepping outside of there element if there trying to define what makes a patriot in a land where they don't know laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
Nat Turner= to patriots for some. So because a slave is a slave, they can't take pride in there work, whether or not it was forced? They had a hand in fucking building one of the greatest nations on the planet, why couldn't they feel some pride swelling for that. Not saying they would but I think it's a definite possibility. Native Americans are the fucking O.G.s of patriotism according to your dumb ass definition. Native Americans loved there land more than any other group of people I've ever read up on. They were not just labor, they were considered just labor by there "Masters" but to them and there people was a community believe it or not and they had thoughts and did things just like you and I. Some of them may have even hugged there neighbors, making them without a doubt a patriot.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
I fixed your statement for you. I'm halfQuote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
Your ignorant for assuming I was referring to Arabs. I'm making a generalization about super markets in general. If I walk into a market and am not known, I will occasionally be stared at, followed or asked to leave my bag at the door. Should I still fight with my life for the people who dont want my money?Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
Clearly I have not, you have my number. How do any of my posts show my social standing and the road I've traveled. you're failing to see the point that I'm trying to make. If we dont subscribe to the agreed upon definition of a patriot than we cannot be a patriot and therefore should leave our home? I say once againQuote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
FUCK THAT!!!
It's bullshit. and according to your argument all immigrants should leave. Why should immigrants be forced from there home, back to a place they don't want to be. maybe if us patriots would extend a hand they'd be patriots too and give us, there neighbors, HUGS!? maybe..hopefully...OOO I'm so excited.
I do not know what I can say that will get through to your fucking skull that I WOULD DEFENaD my country. I would take up arms and was pretty damn close to joining the military for personal reasons when the war jumped off. Don't call me selfish unless you have proof. Don't put words in my mouth because you don't know what the fuck your talking about. Dont misinterpret my posts and twist my words.
Excellent point.Quote:
the history of your country can determine how your neighbors view you - and treat you -
with no nation or country to call your own how much of a patriot can you be -
so patriotism is fighting and dieing for your neighbors now ?
my neighbors don't speak the same language as me - different culture - they were taught that black skin is from the devil - when one of them has a child who is to them "too dark" it's looked down on in their community - till this day - in america, i'm a foreigner
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Originally Posted by Mr. Muhammad
Peace.
It's a shame how americans know very little about their countries history and how it actually developed into the united states of america. It's a shame how americans don't know how this countries fore-fathers actually thought or their way of thinking.
The fore-fathers of america were exactly like the people american's now call terrorist.
It's crazy hearing 'americans' today talk about patriotism but there's nothing they do that actually shows they function as a patriot....at least not like the fore-fathers of this country did.
Patriots today follow what their governments says, while the patriots the established this country spoke out against the governement.
"Give me liberty or give me death"
What americans are willing to stand on this truth?
Freedom or death.....now that's revolutionary talk that's the talk of america's fore-fathers.
patriots take action for what they think is best (not what you think is best) and in your above statements you're already trying to define "what best for them" instead of them doing it for their own self.Quote:
Originally Posted by unequivocallycorrect
Sometimes taking up arms and fighting with your country when attacked isn't always the best thing to do for the people. If that was the case there would be no united states of america.
Correct, however how other people treat you should not weight on your patriotism. Otherwise it sounds like you want a perfect world. (Laughable)Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
Correct again but, I was explaining to Abanks how a "selfish" person is a patriot to no country because he has isolated himself in a place that "doesn't trust him" (or that's just what he thinks - the truth is another matter)Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
YES! When your neighborhood is under attack and you wont fight. you are not patriotic your selfish. When some punk kids start breaking windows you organize a night-watch. THATS Patriotic. When its time to vote for someone who YOU THINK WILL BE BEST. THATS PatrioticQuote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
FACT: "you feel like a foreigner". Maybe you should move where "you dont feel like a foreigner." THAT IS THE BASE OF MY ARGUMENT. My POSTS are meant to HELP non-patriots find a place they ARE willing to support. Otherwise they will remain upset about the situation/country/neighborhood they are in. (No one should be so upset. They cannot find a common support)Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
I haven't heard of this group, and I couldn't google it. Got a link or a name or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Prolifical ENG
Aside from the first quote (which I would like to investigate). The notion "Some of the villages that reside between 2 powers pay taxes to both" shows that EVERYONE on this planet needs to "pay" for the land they live on in one way or another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prolifical ENG
Conclusion: If you "pay to stay" and your not patriotic. Go fucking find a new home. (you will be happier, your old country will be happier, your new country will be happier) Or non-patriots can cry cry cry because the country they ARN'T WILLING TO FIX "its not perfict! Humph!"
Get a BIG box of tissues because you have a long time ahead of you in a country you don't like.
christ what a tool ^^^
There are many groups. Although 80% of Russia claim Russian identity, most places that are sparsely settled in the central and Siberian regions. You could call them many ""indigenous" groups, however because of how isolated they are in the landmass that Russia claims, they haven't been forcedly assimilated into the culture like North America. There are a few larger groups like the Buryats that enjoy some degree of political autonomy.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
I dont know how patriotic each of these ethnic groups are towards Russia. Some might be and some have history like the Buryats of being "rebels". You can also google the Evenkis.
I dont want to get into distingishing "patriot" and "rebel" though since they can be similar and different.
I cant find an internet source as I read mostly in books one source: Diversity Amid Globalization: Wolrd Regions, Environment, Development pages 396-398 ISBN: 0-13-133046-2
You can also check out:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/513251/Russia rather than wiki.
I'd rather stay here and piss off retards like you. and shit on your flagQuote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
You wish you could piss me off. I wouldn't mind taking a shit on Americas flag either. I would shit all over "America's history symbolized in a single flag". Cause I Shit on things that deserve it(your posts)Quote:
Originally Posted by theheavens
Its a flag so fucking what, burn, bury it, chop it up and serve it for breakfast. I don't give a fuck. (The flag is just a flag and it is only symbolic to an "the individual" after they determined so.)
glad we have something in common: shitting on this country's flag
I use the terms "support" and "defend" very vaguely on purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
1. Your right about taking up arms. I did and do agree.
2. I honestly don't care if my theory supports the creation of America because its a theory about "how people should act" NOT a theory of "how to make another America"
95% of these posters think a patriot does the following....
Does whatever the President Says
Does whatever the constitution Says
Supports the history of a country
Fights in every war
Loves ALL their neighbors
95% of these posters FAIL TO REALIZE a patriot does the following....
Does what he/she thinks is best for their extended neighbors
Supports his/her extended neighbors despite historical issues
Fights in the war THEY BELIEVE is best for their extended neighbors
Loves most of their extended neighbors
95% of these posters FAIL TO REALIZE they are patriotic. Because they are happy enough, do support their neighbors and would honestly fight if a russan tank rolled through their streets