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why do you believe that Islam is evil ?
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why do you believe that Islam is evil ?
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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
Islam is evil because of many reason`s..firstly the number one reason it is evil is because it`s fundemental claim, that Jesus was not crucified..this goes to the heart of the bible message and the plan of God in the bible specifically the new testement... See God wanted Jesus to die according to the bible so that mankind can be saved and be forgiven of there sins,and win a victory over the devil... and islam seeks to deny this fact, therefore trying to rob humanity of it`s salvation and denying God of his victory over the forces of darkness...but if you don`t believe that lets see what Jesus had to say about the idea of him not dying on the cross...
From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day.Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, "God forbid it, Lord! This shall never happen to You."But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God's interests, but man's."
So you see peter said the same thing to Jesus and he immediatly said Get behind me satan...So Jesus knew straight away that saying he shouldn`t die on the cross, was the work of satan...and this is true of the koran...(just on a side note Jesus wasn`t calling peter satan he was addressing the satanic influnce in peters assertion.)
The second reason...is they claim that Jesus isn`t divine, but just a man...(which is fundementally opposed to the message of the bible about who Jesus is..and for all those who claim that Jesus wasn`t God and never claimed to be just read this statement.
john 8:58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
thirdly... islam claims that it is a message for all mankind and superseeds all the other religions but is of the same God...but how can this be true..when Jesus said
mark 16:15-"He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation."
and also
matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
^^^
This above statment especially the second one, proves from Jesus`s own mouth that muhummad and the koran are of evil origins because he said the gospel will be preached to all nations then the end will come...he didn`t say there will be another book or prophet after me..no !!!!! he said the gospel is final and after it is preached to everybody the end of the world will come.
Lastly ...all you have to do is look at the fundemental teachings and practices of Jesus and muhummad and the koran and the bible...the koran and the bible are polar opposites... I mean Jesus was peaceful and muhummad was violent, the bible condems violence and the koran advocates it..now why would God ( apparently the same God for both books ) Go from peace love and faith and turn the other cheek to
4.89 : but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
8.12: . I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
Also how if the koran is written by the same God why would he make such a statement as this :
5.51: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people..
Sorry but the koran can only come from the devil...there is no other explination for it, other wise God has to be a nut job (no disrespect)...All I can say is that islam seeks to try and undo the saving grace of the bible and Jesus christ...and that is a clear sign of the devil and oh for all those that say that the koran has good in it...just remember these words the devil is a master of deception and as sly as they come for no wonder the bible says this about him:
"And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light."
Stay away from islam !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PRAISE BE TO GOD ALWAYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!
peace be with you !
i'm going to sticky and lock the thread for about an hour
to deal with the answer you gave in depth
are you willing to go further into the answers you gave ?
nah that pretty much sums up what I gotta say.
peace be with you !
i think i asked this once before and you never gave me an answer -
how do you view the passage that claims:
firstly, why is it plural (us)?Quote:
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let US make man in OUR image, according to Our likeness"
and secondly (what i really want to know) is what is god's image, if not omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient?
surely god's image is not a physical image...?
does this passage then not tell us that man shares in god's omni-presence/power/knowledge?
or in other words, men are essentially gods in their own right (same likeness).
peace
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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra
The reason why God said lets make man in our image (plural) is because God is a triune God !!!! which means God is father, son and holy spirit...Now when God made us in his image, it doesn`t mean we are ominpresent , omniscient or omnipotent... Now to understand what God means in making us like him, we have to look at what God is made up of..Now the bible tells us that God has a word which is Jesus and the bible also tells us that God has a spirit which is the holy spirit, So as we can see the bible says God is made up of a word and a spirit.. Now that leaves the father, if Jesus is the word of God and the holy spirit is the spirit of God what is the fathers role in the Godhead ???...His role is that of the mind of God !!!!, because the father in the trinity is the one who comes up with all the idea`s, creation, laws, the plan of salvation ect.... and then his word and spirit accomplish those idea`s..... example : Like when God said let there be light, God the father thought of the ideas spoke it and Jesus the word brought it into existance and then the holy spirit brought it to life...basically what im saying is the father thinks it, the word (jesus) brings it into existance, and the holy spirit animates it and sustains it.
So when God says lets make man in our image it means man has the same make up as God not in omnipresance, omnipotent ect... It means man has a Mind , a word and a spirit....Just like God.
This can be the only thing it means because mind word and spirit can be both for male and female...
This is the truth.
Peace be with you !
one of my probelms with christianity is...
explain to me why jesus had to die to forgive us for our sins and win a victory over the devil.Quote:
God wanted Jesus to die according to the bible so that mankind can be saved and be forgiven of there sins, and win a victory over the devil
i don't understand that. couldn't he have just ran a marathon to beat the devil or baked a cake to beat the devil. why did he have to die? what is the correlation between dying and A) forgiving our sins and B) defeating the devil?
but that passage is from genesis, before the time of jesus, the beginning of man with Adam. Your explanation would mean Jesus was alive during the time of Adam and then the Old Testament would be false.
interesting theory - if you believe in the triune god, which as far as I know Visionz did a good job a debunking and showing/ proving, as well as jesus not being god.Quote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
so can omni-presence/potence/science (I'll abbreviate as OmniPPP if I use it again) be for both male and femaleQuote:
This can be the only thing it means because mind word and spirit can be both for male and female...
This is the truth.
which even before father/son/spirit I would think would be god's main attributes. how could a god be "god" if it did not possess even one of those attributes? if you take one of those away - it would place a limitation on god.
nice workQuote:
Originally Posted by Bronze Feet
does the bible actually say this as you just did?Quote:
example : Like when God said let there be light, God the father thought of the ideas spoke it and Jesus the word brought it into existance and then the holy spirit brought it to life.
and i don't see how that makes sense - how can you bring light into existence, then life? light isn't living.
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Originally Posted by Art Vandelay
Because that is how God roles...look in the old testement when the jews where in eygpt, and God wanted to set them free..he said to the jews take a lamb and kill it and put the blood on the top of your doors and on your door posts..so when the anger of God came over eygpt and he was going to kill all the first born sons of eygpt , the angle of death would see the blood on the jewish doors and pass over them and not harm the jews..Now in the new testement Jesus became that lamb so when he died all who believe in him and follow him will have his blood on them so when God`s anger comes he will pass over all those who believe in Jesus because they have his blood on them (metaphorically) and escape punishment, also to in the old testement when people sinned they use to sacrifice animals to be abolished of there sins usually a lamb, So God sent jesus as a lamb (that is why he is called the lamb of God) to replace the animal sacrifices and to die once and for all for the sins of mankind , basically he was the ultimate lamb sacrifice.
hope that helps
peace be with you !
not really, but i guess if i was a die hard jesus fanatic like yourself, i would have had the same rebuttal.
zook, does that make sense to you? and i don't mean according to the bible or to god, i mean if you used logic, does that make sense?
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Originally Posted by Bronze Feet
Yes Jesus was even before adam...He is God so he has been there from all eternity...and proof of this is this:
John 17:5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”
See jesus existed before the world was created so he can`t be human and the only things that existed before the creation of the world was angels and God and Jesus isn`t an angel .... So if he had "glory before the world was created" that can only mean he is GOD.
peace be with you !
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Originally Posted by Art Vandelay
God ways are not our ways..so who can say what makes sense or doesn`t.... even God himself says:
My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways,' says the Lord.
'For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 55:8-9
Peace be with you !
god just sounds like pretentious dick weed in that quote zooruka
so then the whole old testament is irrelevant? and therefore God need not exist, thus Jesus doesnt exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
also how can Jesus be Father and Son? thats a outright contradiction
do you find it a bit hypocritical that you are a devout christian (or at least appear to be, apologies if you're not) yet you seem to love JMT? You defend christianity so much here yet while you're doing so listen to people who riticule and at times mock your religion.
i actually was reading about this in one of my books today - it was very interestingQuote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
there are over 350 verses in the bible that give approval to kill or the justification of it (opposed to about 50 that connote restraint from killing). And 90 of those 350 that approve killing is god directly killing. Including innocent children like you pointed out
it also showed that from 1783 to 1550bc israelites invaded and ruled Egypt
so if joseph was sold into slavery - he was held by them. and if they were tortured thereafter - they were tortured by their own people.
i guess i didnt have a question about that, just thought it was a cool coincidence that i read about it earlier today
i respect that young nigga zookura cause in the end of the day he know-his-shit
Check out your main reason -Quote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
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Originally Posted by prof zooruka
this is your belief, based on a book that You believe in - that reason is not a strong enough reason to label a large group of people who Practice Peace, evil.
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Originally Posted by prof zooruka
do you believe that he died so that when we die, if we believe, we'd be let into heaven ?
so he died and satan gained control of the world but not those who believe in christ -
so - who is this son of man that jesus speaks of coming in the future ?
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Originally Posted by prof zooruka
it is your belief that this took place - others have other beliefs, practices, and cultures - many do not see the bible as a book of facts and actual historical events - are they all evil, will they all burn in hell for it ?
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Originally Posted by prof zooruka
god had to win a victory over the forces of darkness ?
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Originally Posted by prof zooruka
that is how you see it - for now
others may see it differently - should they burn in hell ?
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Originally Posted by prof zooruka
that is how you see that scripture - others may see it this way
john 8:58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, Islam!"
because, it has no birth record you see -
how you gonna do that if it's not in all languages and fits the needs of those people for that time ?Quote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
how else would all nations be able to hear the ghost spell ?Quote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
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Originally Posted by prof zooruka
why would he need to ?
- Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Revelation 20:11-13 (in Context) Revelation 20 (Whole Chapter)
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Originally Posted by prof zooruka
the quaran clearly states it confirms the book before it - the same violence from the same god can also be placed up for display -
there are many puzzling things that god said in both the bible and the quaranQuote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
did god write the bible ?
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Originally Posted by prof zooruka
it comes from the bible
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Originally Posted by prof zooruka
.........................you are not trying to find any
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Originally Posted by prof zooruka
you would have to show evidence in the people the power of the god they say they believe in -
if the bible wasn't equally or more violent than the quaran, your argument would hold some weight -
you said you wouldn't go in depth - don't - when you ready to look in the mirror, it'll be here
no doubtQuote:
Originally Posted by TSA
even if its as useful as pulling up obscure star wars info - it impresses me
i just picked up on something -
prof claims that god's ways are not our ways, and they cannot be understood by us -
yet he uses his understanding of god's words to go against a god in another book -
which if it is god - equally cannot always be understood by man
yet prof does not use the same "god's ways cannot be understood" when applied to the Quran
doesn't seem fair
my question: why do you say god said that?Quote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
we all clearly acknowledge the FACT that the bible was written by man not god.
but man said god said.....
so he said she said?
rumors can be fun i suppose.....
forever separating man from godQuote:
My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways
:no:
im still trying to figure out how Jesus can be God, yet God can send his Son (Jesus) to be sacrificed for us?
So God is dead? or did God sacrifice himself? and if He did, then who did He sacrifice himself too?
or did he sacrifice himself to himself? and if so, wouldnt that be pride, one of the 7 Cardinal Sins? and all this talk of glory, i believe Vainglory is a Cardinal Sin as well.
Vainglory = Glory in modern english
God has the ability`s of omnippp because he is God , but that is not the fundamental attributes, that make God who he is....Like I said when you look at the fundamental`s of God...you see that he has a word (which is Jesus christ) he has a spirit (which is the holy spirit) and he has a mind (which is the father) that is essance of who God is...Now if you think about it you as a human, have the ability to run fast or jump high, but those abilities do not fundamentally make you who you are just like God`s omnippp doesn`t make him who he is, but rather what he can do...Now if we go by what the bible teaches what essentially makes you who you are, is your mind your word and your spirit, these three attributes make you who you are at your very core level...and thats what makes us in the image of God...because as we know it can`t beflesh and bones or omnippp because both God and human`s don`t have those things in common, but he (god) does have a mind, word and spirit and so do we....whether you are male or female !!!!..so mind,word and spirit must be what makes us in the image of God, because both male and female have these attributes and so does God, it cannot be anything else, because even male and females while human are different in make up, but not in the fact that we both have a mind, a word and a spirit....and so does God therefore making us in his image.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mumm Ra
peace be with you !
you state matter of factly things you can not know. Scientifically speaking MUCH existed before the earth, including other planets, stars, galaxies. Your assumptions are based on a falsehood.Quote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
Jesus often speaks of the One who sent me, .....or doing the work that he was sent to do........No one commands God to do anything as no one is worthy of giving orders to God but Jesus is following commands. Why is Jesus doing what he was TOLD to do?
John 19:17 .............I ascend unto my father and your Father, and to MY God and your God.
thoughts?
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Originally Posted by Visionz
Becuase the father is the head of the trinity, that is why he tells Jesus what to do and sent Jesus.. but that doesn`t mean Jesus isn`t God...its just Jesus is under the father in the trinity hirachy, so thats why he does what the father send him to do.
look visionz we can argue about this till the cows come home !!! but unless you believe in the trinity, we will just go round in circles.
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Originally Posted by Visionz
Like I said The father is the head of the trinity that is why Jesus said my father and your father my God and your God, because as the head of the trinity the father is God, but Jesus as apart of the trinity is also God, it`s just the father is the head, that is why jesus refers to him as God, and why he said.... There is none good except God
mark 10:18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
why he says this is because the father is the head, and the one who came up with all the idea`s so that is why he is God and the only good one.
peace visionz
peace.
three beings, but they are all god
that is a belief of yours -
allot of people do not believe this for good reason
33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
34Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'[e]? 35If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— 36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world?
ok heres my question, and dont fuckin delete it.
Prof, what would u do if u found out that the god you worship never existed? whether its that another religion is right or that science unequivocally disporoves any religion?
why would i delete a legit question - stupid
Firstly... You have the workings of Jesus (the miracles the teachings ect...) these prove there is a God ... secondly There is no other religion that has a teacher like Jesus who did the things he did or taught the things he said, and if you say there are I say they are all fakes (demoniclly inspired) or man made myths...also if there are so called good teachings in another religion like buddhism, islam ect... remember what the bible says :Quote:
Originally Posted by Dusk
2 cor 11:14 "But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light."
What this means is even the devil can create false religions so they appear good, but in the end are all designed to keep you away from the true religion christianity.
As for science disproving God....this will never happen, as science learns from what God created, and everything in this world that exists around us, points to intelligant design (which means that it was created by somthing or someone who knew what he was doing !!!! and I believe that was God.) as opposed to the scientific theory of creation by chance.
thanks for your question
Peace be with you !
Has anyone seen the video The Qur'an and the Bible in the Light of Science?
Its between Dr William Campbelt from Pensylvania, USA and Dr Zakir Naik from Mumbai, India.
Very interesting!
Do you type this each time you post, or you have it somehow stuck, like some template?Quote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
Just curious.
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Originally Posted by Shogah
I type it....Because I want to offer peace to all, even though we might disagree on certain things.
peace be with you !
ok lets take two things u said here and experiment..u know, like scientists..eloelsQuote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
first...since science can only discover things god created...what if scientists discover that God does exist but he is a liar (like humans, since we are created in his image) moreover, they discover that since the devil can disguise himself as one of the light..he IS the devil?
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Originally Posted by Dusk
ummm no !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
peace be with you !
well -
maybe this is a disguise - and you got tricked
pastors and preachers of the bible claim to be light bearers also - maybe they are misleading you concerning jesus -
maybe you are 100% correct and there is a holy trinity and hell fire for bad people when they die - but what you DO NOT have concerning these things are facts - these are things you believe -
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3289/...d33baf.jpg?v=0
you did say that this picture of yours is an accurate description of the jesus of the bible - a caucasian born and raised in the middle east - in the bible, it states that he came from a pacific bloodline - so, if he was/is caucasian, are black, and everyone else considered a gentile ?
- Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions.
Proverbs 18:1-3 (in Context) Proverbs 18 (Whole Chapter)
- Matthew 13:14
In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: " 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
Matthew 13:13-15 (in Context) Matthew 13 (Whole Chapter)
As Salaam Alaikum
ya he didnt even answer my question
you disregarded this. Please address it.Quote:
you state matter of factly things you can not know. Scientifically speaking MUCH existed before the earth, including other planets, stars, galaxies. Your assumptions are based on a falsehood.