to me i think thats there 3rd best shit sence wutang forever
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to me i think thats there 3rd best shit sence wutang forever
third best since wtf? there's only been 3 group albums since wtf, lol...
anyways, it was decent. Got tired of it after a month-two, can't say I've listened to it much since then. Better than Iron Flag, but way worse than anything before.
the w is ok iron flag is ok i think it was good work i dont why they dont play tracks from it it wasnt really bad i been listing to wu sence 93
most people on the board did, but it was more split than i thought it would be. still a raw ass record to me, i love it.
its like The W's evil little brother in terms of sound, had a nice blend of uptempo bangers and laid back (but still grimey) tracks. Sunlight and Starter are the only 2 tracks i dont play that much, with Rushing Elephants/Weak Spot and Windmill being my favs
im sorry kidwukungfu but your a fawkin dummy
the w has tracks that are worthy of even being featured on a 'greatest hits album'
and iron flag, well i'll make a thread about that right now, but yo
you mad ghey kid 8 Diagrams is the worst wu cd, not saying that its exactly 'bad' but just a little worse than iron flag. go rebel about something that people can maybe actually understand in one way or another..
I like it too, better than the W
i really liked it too bump it all the time. digi snax too but thats a different story, yes 8 diagrams is great
1.Forever
2.36 Chambers
3.The W
4.8 Diagrams
5.Iron Flag
i actually think this is one record where internet talk and social networking affected it negatively
people got too tangled up in the in-group politics and extra BS, instead of worrying about the music. if this record comes out in a different era, i think it gets a slightly different reception.
it was much more complete and interesting than Iron Flag, which i still think was a solid record, but 8D smashes on it imo
It wasn't quite what I was expecting when I first heard, but over time it grew on me. My main complaints about the album are that
1. The beat to Unpredictable was changed for the worse. I preferred the original Thug World version and would've loved to hear that version, with RZA's original verse, Raekwon and U-God.
2. Some of the performances sounded uninspired. Album could've done with more energetic verses.
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to add a bit more than the usual unpredictable beat switch and sleepy performances
get em outcha way pa?
this is the WU-TANG CLAN goddamnit thank raekwon for that shit for real
and he cried about having little say, im almost glad
rushing elephants is produced pathetically, i mean one of the crap resident producers here can do something with the sample ALOT more creative than looping it twenty times. it doesnt even sound that great i wonder why it was saved much less chosen for this highly anticipated album..
the faggot singing on riches...
weak spot is really kinda boring if you really think about it, why didnt they have anything better?
coulda done without the last two tracks too tar pit and 16th chamber (should really have been on a j-love or mathematics mixtape i mean seriously its good but has no place on a studio album)
What you don't seem to understand about the album is it features minimalist percussion and laid back lyrics. This was intentional.
exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Come honor face
Yeah at first Get Em Out Ya Way Pa didn't impress me, but it grew on me over time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke Cage
Rushing Elephants had a cool beat IMO, one of the album's more 'hyped' tracks.
The singing on Stick Me 4 My Riches added to the track, dude did his thing.
Oh yeah, RZA toned down the violins on the track from the 8D Mixtape version. The beat bumps though.
The last 2 tracks were European Bonus Tracks. The Tar Pit beat was wasted IMO, Streetlife and Cappa did nothing for the track with their mediocre verses. They should've had other Wu Members on it instead.
but not with all the tracks it was intentional then? we got an album of various over and under produced tracks that did not work well together, regardless of intentionsQuote:
Originally Posted by beautifulrock
Street was fine, but yea Tar Pit needed 2 Generals on it. Deck and GZA would have slayed it, pretty much any of them would have. Cappa was good on Windmill, i didnt really like him on Campfire and Tar Pit.
Weak Spot boring? what??? i could understand thinking that about Gun Will Go, Sunlight or one of the other slower tracks, but thats an official Wu Banga
^Yeah I remember when the 8D Mixtape came out people were LOVIN Weak Spot.
the beat again has a very slow progression and honestly doesnt have much going on with it, its real slow and laid back like beautiful rock said.. you like what you like about it as i do but by every definition its thin and yes boring
people are nuts tho lol! when thea was the talk of the town, i mean she has an undeniable talent, but cats werent feelin the style so they got their pitchforks and torches and brought up her physical appearance and shit like that because they of course had to say something, ANYTHING to bring her down, as they always do.
the difference with me hating 8 diagrams is, it doesnt really have the talent or creativity we've come to expect, especially from the wu tang clan i mean if one of the random producers here found that odd sounding sample on rushing elephants and made that exact track with like nova kane or some cat rapping on it with holocaust it would the the unwiped anus of every joke and thats probably the truest thing i'll say this week.
RZA was mos def on some other shit w/ 8 Diagrams. There were a couple of songs where the beat was just not great but the lyrics carried it. Other than that a solid release. Now with the reaction to Rea's last cd I am pretty sure that whenever a nw does drop it is going to be up there with the W.
Unmastered version was much better ---> http://www.mediafire.com/?ioo2zuzqetkQuote:
Originally Posted by Luke Cage
Tar Pit was fucked up by George ClintonQuote:
Originally Posted by Luke Cage
Thug World was fucked up by RZA
This album is just full of RZA failures....
I think the same, unmastered version is a 5 star classic but album version was fucked up, no scratches, changed sounds volumes....Quote:
Originally Posted by FasterBlade
Who on this forum has all the unmastered 8D trax?
Put them in a zip file and upload them. I need to hear the differences.
It was one of the best albums of 2008, and 3rd best clan album.
it's not without it's flaws but still a very, very good album in my opinion. from the first time i bumped it when it leaked i fucking loved it, and despite what many felt this album felt alot more "Wu-Tang" to me than "Iron Flag" and more or less every solo release between that and this. beats and samples were raw and gritty and it had a nice mix of slow-grinding joints and Wu bangers.
"Rushing Elephants" sounds incredible to me, you don't have to go all advanced to make a banging beat and listening to Wu-Tang should tell you that. i mean just listen to "C.R.E.A.M." which is recognized as one of Wu's absolute finest moments, that's more or less a straight loop but that what was right for that particular track. if RZA would've messed around more with it, he would've fucked it up probably.
the main thing about the album that could've been changed for the better i think is that there were too much ego involved this time around. RZA, Raekwon and Ghostface seems to have the biggest ego's of the group and they all definitely can be on some bullshit. Ghostface not apperaing on "Life Changes" is close to an unforgivable mistake imo, if you gonna use guest singers get someone good not fucking TASH MAHOGANY and Sunny Valentine like WTF?? "Sunshine" doesn't fit the album at all, and the original version of "Heart Gently Weeps" with the sample intact was fucking GULLY where as the LP version doesn't work all that well.
still, this is a real ALBUM that plays from first to last track perfectly, great sequencing and very nicely arranged - and i think alot of the generals brought their A-game (Ghost killed the few spots he had, U-God, Method Man plus Raekwon and MK sounded like they've been doing lately; GZA, INS was 50/50 dope and 50 Ass imo and RZA should've sticked with the beats). 4/5 easily
I loved the album since the first time a played it. My only real complaint is like Claaa7 said Ghost not being on life changes is really fucked up. If I would have anything changed on the disc I would add Watch you Mouth cuz they needed a posse cut. and I would have ended the disc with Life Changes after Stick me for my riches, the last few songs dont really do much for me, there not wack by any means but they dont have the same hypeness as the rest of the album.
there were a few mistakes and rza is to blame for them as much as i would like to think otherwise
he overproduced unpredictable. i can understand not clearing the samples, the added percussion was cool but the gtr was not hot
i loved wolves but then i heard the sample version and i couldnt get back into it
hear gently weeps was cool. people hate on the album version too much\
tar pit was ruined by clinton
more rappers shoulda been on campfire
too many songs with strict repeating loops like elephants w/ bad hooks like starter
but the sound of the album as i think rza was going for is something that rap is missing. campfire, stick me, gun will go, get em out my way pa.. those beats are dark like 95 wu. thats why i like the cd still
stick me was a good gamble
rza overproduced, rza fucked up the album, rza should stick to producin, blah, blah blah... i have no problem people not liking 8 diagrams, its grown mans hip-hop... but people tellin a legend how to produce, fuck a legend the best there ever was, is rediculous... im sure that shit sounded exactly the way rza wanted, well exactly how he wanted after he changed things for rae's crying ass. U might not feel it & thats fine, but till u got a catalog of classics stfu on the overproducing, u aint produced shit. 8 shits all over the w & iron flag
Bar a few tracks 8D was dope, shat all over Iron Flag and imo is better than The W, tho i prefer The W's more authentic sound.
I would also put it at 3rd.
Yeah but fuck me it had HGW, CAMPFIRE, WOLVES, LIFE CHANGES, WINDMILL, TAKE IT BACK AND THE BEST WU TRACK SINCE FOREVER APART FROM CLICK CLICK IN MY OPINION GUN WILL GO
ya i like 8 diagrams better then w and iron flag my slef
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Originally Posted by Undiluted Karma
can you really say that you HATE in the hood? of course not, trust me i hate plenty of things and i cant say even say that. chrome wheels? nope, rules brings you the fuck up, uzi uzi bwoy not even worth asking i trust yall already know, the complete rawness of yall been warned and babies (radioactive too but it kindof annoys me), iron flag? that was so much of a wu banger i half expected it to be from them wu banger tapes unreleased from the late ninties
dashing lol dare i say, i fast foward to gzas verse
everybody has that view of iron flag but go back and listen, its good
8d is floating somewhere before or after iron flag on my list but not by far at all
This album gets so much hate, it's funny. If Rae and ghost didnt come out crying about it(before they even heard it) it wouldn't get half the hate it does. I also love the complaints about Rza. They complain he overproduced and then complain another song is a simple loop. Really?? Hip hop beats are loops? No way. Fact is most are loops and most are easy to make.
Personally I like the album it has a nice dark vibe. Only songs I dont like are Get them out the way which is mediocre and Starter is pretty much a disgrace. Heart Gently Weeps also get a lot of hate although it's a nice joint and Ghost goes off on it. It blows away Iron FLag which had a few good joints with a lot of garbage and is right around The W
8 diagrams is gay
maybe 2 good songs
people are sheep you should like what you like and except criticism for what it is (someone else's opinion) }:|
8diagrams... nah, i dont like it, it was huge disapointment, then i heard it first time i was really hyped, campfire just exploded like atomic bomb, and after first listening i tought is dope, but later on, after few more serious listenings i realized that i like only 3 or 4 tracks on it... wtf?
so i love iron flag and the w much more then 8 D.
later i was very sad about this album, even then i recived my actual cd with dvd it didint changed anything, album is not good.
Nah dont get me wrong there was some bangers on Iron Flag but beatwise wasnt feeling alot of the tunes. Didnt like Chrome Weels and didnt like Uzi Ring. Y'all Been Warned and Radioactive(Four Assassins) were the best tracks on tht albumQuote:
Originally Posted by Luke Cage
peace
Oh I forgot It also didn't had Watch Your Mouth which was bangin' joint + with all 8 livin' members...
Rules was always the best shit on Iron Flag for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Undiluted Karma
I second thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Robbie Sinclair