Can anybody explain the 'blackman is god' religion to me?

Dont'really know anything about it, please enlgihten me

Use the search tool there"s at least 50 big topics about it.

i can use the search tool to find out what people are saying about Islam also


is that the best way to find out about Islam ?

but wait - are you talking about the search tool here, or google ?

I would but I don't think it's actually called 'the black man is god religion'.

Plus I'm mostly curious about it's origin since I recently read that in (ancient) chinese human spirit has the same word as divine spirit or something

he meant use the "GODGLE" search tool.

ikke is a ghostlaced secondary

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

i can use the search tool to find out what people are saying about Islam also


is that the best way to find out about Islam ?

but wait - are you talking about the search tool here, or google ?

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Originally Posted by ikke

I would but I don't think it's actually called 'the black man is god religion'.

Plus I'm mostly curious about it's origin since I recently read that in (ancient) chinese human spirit has the same word as divine spirit or something

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what sparked your interest ?

u talkin NGE?

It is not a "religion". It is "What Is".

You can read about it in the book, "Message to the BlackMan in America", by the Hon. Elijah Muhammad...

Don't give the responsibility of your "enlightenment" to someone else. Enlighten YOURSELF!

RM

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Originally Posted by TSA

Ikke, nobody on this site is capable of explaining the religion cause their depth of knowledge doesn't surpass wutang lyrics.
i would suggest listening to wutang lyrics to be on par with the ppl on this site
but if you cant tell by the fact that nobody has answered your question, not much is known about it by ppl on here.

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well you listen to wutang and you know the lyrics. so why don't you break it down for him then?

there is no Black Man is God "religion"

there are teachings that the Black man is God, and why.

.. do the knowledge before you wisdom...

and how you a wu-tang fan on here and dont have a clue about that concept?
no offense...

Can someone explain why Elijah Muhammed is honorable?
He seemed quite seedy to me.

And does anyone know why Louis Farrakhan does his best to keep his hair straightened like a white person's?

Also, wtf is Jesse Jackson's actual occupation?

My interpretation? Honorable for the light of his teachings that he gave the masses in the condition they were in at the time.. he had a HUGE HUGE responsibility, and it was most honorable of him to take on the duty of enlightenment and education and upliftment of the people.. he devoted his life to it. thats no small feat...

what seemed shady? lol

ha ha I think Farrakhan is one of those old fashioned types still slicking his hair with those combs in that blue liquid jar you see in barber shops remembering how handsome he once looked... or maybe to hide the baldness? lol

Jackson? aside from a civil rights activist idk man, i think they keep him around as a throw back or to be politically correct...

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And does anyone know why Louis Farrakhan does his best to keep his hair straightened like a white person's?

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hahahahahhahaha

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

what sparked your interest ?

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Expanding my knowledge on religion in general.

And like I said, mostly interested in his origin since it seems to be an older concept that was reinvented/created

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Originally Posted by Mr. Muhammad

It is not a "religion". It is "What Is".

You can read about it in the book, "Message to the BlackMan in America", by the Hon. Elijah Muhammad...

Don't give the responsibility of your "enlightenment" to someone else. Enlighten YOURSELF!

RM

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I would but I'd rather hear a summary, if it's interesting I might read.

But if I would read that book wouldn't I still give the responsibility of my 'enlightment' to someone else since somebody wrote that book?

Plus it would be very wigger-like to have that book on the shelve

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Can someone explain why Elijah Muhammed is honorable?
He seemed quite seedy to me.

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what has he said to make you view him as "seedy"?

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And does anyone know why Louis Farrakhan does his best to keep his hair straightened like a white person's?

Also, wtf is Jesse Jackson's actual occupation?

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why even mention these 2 ?

your post has a white supremest tone

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Expanding my knowledge on religion in general.

And like I said, mostly interested in his origin since it seems to be an older concept that was reinvented/created

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well first - it's not a religion - at all

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I would but I'd rather hear a summary, if it's interesting I might read.

But if I would read that book wouldn't I still give the responsibility of my 'enlightment' to someone else since somebody wrote that book?

Plus it would be very wigger-like to have that book on the shelve

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you wanna know or not ?

It's Elijah that told us that the Black is God - you wanna know why it's being said, read the book

The 5 percent nation of gods and earths...... The belief is that the Asiatic black man was the original man of this planet... and the story says that Yacub, an ancient black scientist, created a devilish race of humans beings (white people). This race was grafted from the original man... And if anyone understands the elites of the world and how they move, you would realize that they are fanatical about keeping their own bloodlines pure.. And the story tends to make more sense and more sense if u think about the global elite and the evil deeds that they carry out on the planet.
After Yacub grafted the new race of humans and many of years past, the original man was then overthrown by using the devils "tricknology" into making the original man into think that they were inferior to the whites.... And this has been going on ever since.... slavery, wars, religion and other forms of chaos have been inflicted upon the people on this planet by the 10% population of "devils".
5% of the planet knows whats up and are trying to wake up the 85% of the population that has been living blindly to the true and richeous way of living. that leaves the other 10%..... the 10% is the devils, evil men (mostly white, but some are black also) who know the secrets of the human race and the worldy workings, but they keep this knowledge hidden to the 85% so that they can easily control the entire worldy population to live as they want us too.
10% equals ------> ILLUMINATI

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This race was grafted from the original man.

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That's the word that disturb me each time I hear the concept.

awww man...this thread is gonna need the fire dept on stand by....

wats funny is all these inquiries are easily googled...

be careful of those knowledge ciphers they look to suck the wisdom dry from the well of life...

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Originally Posted by Hellspawn

That's the word that disturb me each time I hear the concept.

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why ?

the scriptures say that this is how woman came about

through the grafting process

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

why ?

the scriptures say that this is how woman came about

through the grafting process

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In islam it is believen that Eve was created from Adam’s rib (and it was by a supernatural being; God, not by a scientist).

Everything is mental... that said.. try to look at stories in the Holy Books and even the story of Yakub from a mental perspective...

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Everything is mental... that said.. try to look at stories in the Holy Books and even the story of Yakub from a mental perspective...

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If I was unable to do it, I wouldn't be here discussing it. There's no Yakub story in Islam, he was just one of Allah's prophets and he was righteous. He's more known to be the father of Joseph who had a long story in the Quran.

I mean I assume the Yakub of Fard is the biblical\quranic one.

In the other hand there's not a big part left to the mental in the story of Yakub (the grafter) because the number of followers and the years spent to create the brown then the white race is enough precise to let one's think it's a story to take at the first degree.

well i feel this is one of those instances where the information at hand is one you need to grow into in order to fully understand it, certain knowledge will be taken at face value until the true understanding is understood... there are steps you need to take and go through.. cant feed a baby steak, try not to take everything on face value, instead try looking at things knowing that you need to draw them up from a mental perspective to make things crystal clear... everything is real, aint no mysteries.. study.

Have you read the Quran even once ?

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

what has he said to make you view him as "seedy"?






why even mention these 2 ?

your post has a white supremest tone

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I don't think making fun of people like Jesse Jackson requires you to be a white supremacist.
As for the Farrakhan line it was a joke, hence why someone else was able to laugh at it.
Some people want to paint a black and white world and sit safe in their corners and respective squares, the world is mine as much as anyones. I should be able to make fun of someone without feeling guilty about it. Life without joy isn't worth living, I like to laugh.

As someone from a mixed family, I couldn't care less what color you are. I still find race funny.

As for what makes me think Elijah Muhammad was a seedy shady snake like person.
1963 when he silenced Malcolm X and completely looked foolish.

His son went public and said his mother had told him Elijah had lied about W Fard Muhammad, that Fard didn't even want to be called a prophet as he considered even it too strong of a title for him, during which time Elijah told his son if he refused to believe in God the way he did he would be cut off from all contact with the family.

His numerous illegitimate children he fathered while still married.
The fact he treated his wife like crap...

The fact that white people were in his view the devil, yet his teacher(who was white) was God incarnate.
Uh let me think... the fact that the NOI was more than happy to take money they had no business grabbing up from certain people with some celebrity and he did nothing to stop that.

To be honest, I never once saw anything noble or honorable about him.
Maybe that's just an outsider's perspective.....

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Originally Posted by Hellspawn

Have you read the Quran even once ?

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and your point or reason of even asking that is?

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I don't think making fun of people like Jesse Jackson requires you to be a white supremacist.
As for the Farrakhan line it was a joke, hence why someone else was able to laugh at it.
Some people want to paint a black and white world and sit safe in their corners and respective squares, the world is mine as much as anyones. I should be able to make fun of someone without feeling guilty about it. Life without joy isn't worth living, I like to laugh.

As someone from a mixed family, I couldn't care less what color you are. I still find race funny.

As for what makes me think Elijah Muhammad was a seedy shady snake like person.
1963 when he silenced Malcolm X and completely looked foolish.

His son went public and said his mother had told him Elijah had lied about W Fard Muhammad, that Fard didn't even want to be called a prophet as he considered even it too strong of a title for him, during which time Elijah told his son if he refused to believe in God the way he did he would be cut off from all contact with the family.

His numerous illegitimate children he fathered while still married.
The fact he treated his wife like crap...

The fact that white people were in his view the devil, yet his teacher(who was white) was God incarnate.
Uh let me think... the fact that the NOI was more than happy to take money they had no business grabbing up from certain people with some celebrity and he did nothing to stop that.

To be honest, I never once saw anything noble or honorable about him.
Maybe that's just an outsider's perspective.....

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you know i cee all your points, born u truth, you cant deny that his teachings gave birth to a new mindset and in MANY cases freed the minds of many dumb def and blind who where in severe state of mental death, but yea.. i used to battle wit those above mentioned things too. it is wat it is tho.. keep the best part preserved i say.

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you know i cee all your points, born u truth, you cant deny that his teachings gave birth to a new mindset and in MANY cases freed the minds of many dumb def and blind who where in severe state of mental death, but yea.. i used to battle wit those above mentioned things too. it is wat it is tho.. keep the best part preserved i say.

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I'm okay with saying he helped people, I know he hurt some too along the way though.
It urks me when people treat him as something bordering on Godlike though.

He instilled pride, but he also gave some a reason to hate.
I remember that Thrilla in Manilla documentary on HBO(mind you he had died by that point) where they were showing the build up to Ali vs. Frazier 3 and they were talking to Ali about the NOI and the Ku Klux Klan having meetings... Ali was asked to speak at a rally and he said things in favor of segregation at that same time he had been calling Frazier a gorilla...
A monkey....

I don't know, I just wonder how far can you go with negativity until it hurts the very things you care about? What level is it we learn restraint? If it's only after we hurt those who help us, then isn't that pedantic on our part?


So asks the nerdy white kid....

all i an say to that is that those were different times, crazy times, revolutionary times, so much goin on... more than we know, maybe more than well ever know.. in fact... just like now. try not to get lost in the mist of things and just take what can be applied to self for your betterment...

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Originally Posted by DiGitalChamberz

and your point or reason of even asking that is?

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As far as I know, the NOI have something to do with islam ; alot of them call themselves muslims, Yakub had recieved teaching in MEcca, the names with Allah, the numbers (7) so as most of people here have at least a few knowledge about it (obviously it's a wu tang site) I just wanted to know if you have studied islam (or others religions) and have you got the chance to read the quran wich is the book of the muslims.

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Originally Posted by DiGitalChamberz

everything is real, aint no mysteries.. study.

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I did, what about you ?

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As far as I know, the NOI have something to do with islam ; alot of them call themselves muslims, Yakub had recieved teaching in MEcca, the names with Allah, the numbers (7) so as most of people here have at least a few knowledge about it (obviously it's a wu tang site) I just wanted to know if you have studied islam (or others religions) and have you got the chance to read the quran wich is the book of the muslims.



I did, what about you ?

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The Islam you speak of having,is an interpretation of what Muhammad Brought to the world 1400 years ago - Islam doesn'/didn't begin with Muhammad, and it Does not End with the Quaran - The Religion of Islam has been corrupted - Islam as a culture is obviously powerful enough for to draw us all here directly or indirectly - and it is powerful enough for you to be asking us about it - the culture of Islam also instilled in us enough power to face our oppressors and to eventually sit his ass down for good -

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Islam doesn'/didn't begin with Muhammad, and it Does not End with the Quaran

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explain the unexplained please

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The Islam you speak of having,is an interpretation of what Muhammad Brought to the world 1400 years ago - Islam doesn'/didn't begin with Muhammad, and it Does not End with the Quaran - The Religion of Islam has been corrupted - Islam as a culture is obviously powerful enough for to draw us all here directly or indirectly - and it is powerful enough for you to be asking us about it - the culture of Islam also instilled in us enough power to face our oppressors and to eventually sit his ass down for good -

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I"m ok with you on 2 points :

1- islam didnt began with muhammad. It started with Adam and it is believed that all the prophets are musulims in the sense that islam as a religion is the submision to Allah and to his will. So for us muslims; adam, abraham, joseph, moses, jesus and muhammad are all prophets sent by god to show the human race the righteous path.

2- islam instilled in us enough power to face the opressor, to identify it and to know how to elude his plans.


On the other hand, I disagree on 2 points :

1- when you say that the religion has been corrupted. It is used by some people the wrong way but mostly for political reasons but the religion as it is has not being corupted in the sens that the source of it (what I like to call the last uptade wich is written in the quran) is free from corruption, the proof is that that book has the same since it's "release" 1400 years ago. You can see some copies in Turkey that are this old an their exactely the same than those we have today, more than that you can make a little experience and type quran on the net and all the versions you have are exactely similar (at least in arabic, I dont know about the different translations). It's the interpretation that changes.

2- The teachings does not end with the quran but there wont be no more verses/prophets/books because Muhammad is the last of the prophets and quran is the last of the books.

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As far as I know, the NOI have something to do with islam ; alot of them call themselves muslims, Yakub had recieved teaching in MEcca, the names with Allah, the numbers (7) so as most of people here have at least a few knowledge about it (obviously it's a wu tang site) I just wanted to know if you have studied islam (or others religions) and have you got the chance to read the quran wich is the book of the muslims.



I did, what about you ?

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Yes I have and not JUST that, but I've studied many other religions and sciences, not that I'm a master of any of these things.. my point is I'm familiar with many of the books so I'm familiar with other points of views and angles that people may cee so and can relate to them all and am able to put things into proper context FOR MYSELF as well as understand why a said person my think or feel how they feel about things. I feel it is the only way that a man of this world is to become familiar with the world, its peoples, its histories, its beliefs and its DIFFERENT understanding of life and what not so that we can all come together and find common ground. To some their truth is THEIRS and anything else should be eclipsed. I disagree, but knowing what I know about people, places and things allows me understand and be able to build with that person accordingly to their level of knowledge and understanding of that knowledge. To me there are many truths, I try to extract knowledge & wisdom from anywhere and anything, because i think they exist everywhere...the truth exists in everything..

But there are distinctions to be made between orthodox Islam, the NOI and the NGE.

Now if you'll excuse me I have some Easter eggs to go hunting for... Peace.

I understand the different point of views.

Thanx for the explanation. I already knew theres a huge difference between the three.

I assume the answer of my question is YES (or ???).

zara yaqob "seed of jacob"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zara_Yaqob

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I"m ok with you on 2 points :

1- islam didnt began with muhammad. It started with Adam and it is believed that all the prophets are musulims in the sense that islam as a religion is the submision to Allah and to his will. So for us muslims; adam, abraham, joseph, moses, jesus and muhammad are all prophets sent by god to show the human race the righteous path.

2- islam instilled in us enough power to face the opressor, to identify it and to know how to elude his plans.

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that's Peace

i would say that Islam didn't start with Adam for the planet that adam was made on was in submission to Allah before adam came to be -

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On the other hand, I disagree on 2 points :

1- when you say that the religion has been corrupted. It is used by some people the wrong way but mostly for political reasons but the religion as it is has not being corupted in the sens that the source of it (what I like to call the last uptade wich is written in the quran) is free from corruption, the proof is that that book has the same since it's "release" 1400 years ago.

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the words in it may have not been changed, but it does confirm the book that came before it - and that book that it confirms is viewed as being corrupted by many muslims - i would assume that it was tampered with before the Quaran came to be -

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2- The teachings does not end with the quran but there wont be no more verses/prophets/books because Muhammad is the last of the prophets and quran is the last of the books.

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but how can you be so sure about this ?

Good Build

Peace yo