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Rock
Beatles
Pink Floyd
Led Zepplin
Rolling stones
AC/DC
Joy Division
New Order
The Clash
Sex Pistols
Black Sabbath
Motorhead
Radiohead
U2
QUEEN
Electronic
DUBSTEP
Orbital
Future sound of london
Bonobo
Aphex Twin
John Digweed
Massive Attack
Chemical Brothers
The prodigy
Zomby
Roxy Music
Depache Mode
the history of modern pop music is based on artists being influenced by other artists and cultures, recontextualizing these sounds and rhythms in a way that makes sense to their experience and then unleashing it on the world, which then causes it to influence and inspire others and the cycle continues.
so i would have to say no...no nation, region, culture, or ethnic group can be said to create the best music, because no pop cultural artifact is produced in a vacuum.
No, American's have easily made the best music in pretty much all popular genres.
There are some notable exceptions who hail from the UK but they are too few in number.
And what the fuck, AC/DC are Australian, not sure where you got the idea that were at all british. The current singer is Scottish from memory... i don't see how this makes them British though.
too few in number. are you being serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Bateman
Regarding hip hop, yes the British are out of that race, but in terms of rock and electronica your really telling me the Americans made better music?
Yes they have their Bob Dylans, Leonard Cohens, Michael Jacksons and Presleys...
But i think the British have been the most consistent.
The most progressive and innovative music has come out of the UK and it usually caught on in America.
My bad about AC/DC, i forgot they were Australian.
Don't get offended, yes music is subjective.
But all in all i find that the Brits have been the most innovative and experimental when it come to rock and electronica.
We have pioneered so many sounds, it's not even funny.
Yeah we are pretty cooooo
American bands (especially indie) are still obsessing over being british-ish. most even have british accents when they sing. its normal. I heard an american band on radio 6 the other week who sang with a manchester accent I couldnt seperate them from morrisey.
same with punk bands, all used that london accents.
you can't even say that america is inferior to the uk in the innovation and pioneering of new sounds...we're on a hip-hop site lol not to mention jazz, the blues... bleugrass and country and all that garbage is intrinsically american.
the whole question is inane. this is some shit i would expect alacatraz to post, except it would be 'blacks make the best music'
oh and lmfao at two british kids with 'i see you dawg' and 'creeping on da come up' adorning their wu-corp profiles talking about americans imitating british people.
this topic is childish.
Yeah i've noticed that also.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE FRANCHISE™
Yeah and bluegrass and country is shit with the exception of Cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandemic
I knew someone was going to liken this thread to an alcatraz thread but it's really not.
I'm not going out of my way to say the British are the best, i'm just saying that i personally think we have had the most groundbreaking acts, too many to mention, post punk was OURS, punk was OURS, trip hop is ours, dubstep is ours, IDM is ours, and this is all my type of music personally.
Not a big country or jazz fan.
Now your just getting upset and annoyed for some reason, i see you dawg? its the fucking ENGLISH language.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandemic
no i'm not upset, i just find discussions like these funny because of the flagrant contradictions people make in trying to hype up one country or group over another when discussing musical impact and innovation. and just because you aren't a fan of a genre, doesn't mean you can dismiss it as a musical innovation that made an impact. but it all goes back to what i said in my first post, that everybody appropriates, or is influenced by, the sounds and styles from everybody else and that's what makes the musical world go around.
listen to more music and you'll realize these types of distinctions and discussions are ridiculous.
the roots of almost all of these genres can be traced to innovations made in other countries...trip hop? dubstep?Quote:
post punk was OURS, punk was OURS, trip hop is ours, dubstep is ours, IDM is ours, and this is all my type of music personally
listen more.
these types of nationalistic arguments are funny to me not only because they are inherently subjective, but even if it were objectively true...what's your point? what's your personal investment in it? you didn't innovate new wave or dubstep, so why do you care and what are you proving?
no need to get all konfruntashunale. (german for "confrontational")
:mmmyah:Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie Sinclair
I'm not hyping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandemic
Dont tell me to listen to more music i have has an eclectic passion for music since 11, and out of all the acts and artists on my intunes 76% are British.
nationalistic arguments? this is not a nationilistic argument it is a simple observation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandemic
And look what there missing out on....Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie Sinclair
I only agree that Brits make the best rock music. And I agree that some [White Stripes for example] are mimicking english rock.
I wouldn't say Punk or IDM originated in Britain.
Maybe it's contentious as to what the first punk band was, but i can think of a few i would consider punk that predate British bands.
IDM is a pretty loose genre, Americans and Europeans pretty much made music like that in conjunction. Although Detroit techno is probably the single biggest influence on European IDM.
Saying either genre is owned by Britain is misleading, and pretty much untrue.
But i do agree with your point about British rock having a huge influence on America.
Listen to pretty much all popular "indie" bands from the states, and their sound is rooted in British rock.
Look at how bands like The Strokes and Interpol are lauded in the states, simply because they approximately replicate British style rock from the 70s and 80s.
I dont know about the exact beginning point being in London, but I do know that the Sex Pistols shaped the sound of nearly every punk band after them, to this day. And that way Johny Rotton wailed was simply CC'd a million times, I still here it today.
And Sid Vicious, couldnt even play an instrument, but he was the "swag" icon for how to "be" a punk to every single punk after him. Sex Pistols are punk, punk is Sex Pistols, so you can say all punk after SP started with them.
ramones shaped the pistols..and theyre from queens.
Well Aphex Twin is generally considered to be the first IDM artist and he is british, i'm not saying we "own" any music i'm just saying that we are the innovators and pioneers of several genres.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Bateman
Punk was a british phenomenon, and when i say punk i mean the fully formed anti establishment movement, not the bands leading up to the explosion but the first actual punk bands, pistols, buzzcocks etc etc
^^^idm wouldn't exist without artists like kraftwerk, carl craig, juan atkins, etc
you are also completely ignoring genres like hip-hop, soul, r&b and funk in your argument.
also as far as punk and indie bands imitating british musicians...by that logic, wouldn't every non american hiphop group or act be imitating americans? and wouldn't every british rock band in the 60s also be imitating americans? beatles, stones, cream, pink floyd, zepellin would all admit to an american influence. bernard sumner said joy division and new order were influenced and inspired by kraftwerk.
there are british groups that make amazing, genius music. I love most of the bands you've listed in this thread, but this argument and your reasoning behind it, is spurious.
you keep saying 'we are innovators'...which is why i say this is a nationalistic argument, it's just as silly as using 'we' to refer to a sports team, simply because they play home games in your city. yes, there have been some very innovative, boundary pushing british musicians, but in music, "we all stand on the shoulders of giants"
I'm not saying IDM was conjured out of thin air by the british with no influence i said Aphex Twin was generally considered to be the first IDM artist, make what you will out of that.
All i want people to do in this thread is to accept how much the british have shaped and guided modern music.
what a gay homosexual faggotry laced thread... everyone knows americans make the best music hands down
how much excellent, 'innovative', 'groundbreaking' music and musical styles do you think we are all completely oblivious to because it's either not sung in english, or was only well dsitributed in non-english speaking countries?
good point
now take away the artist here heavily influenced by American blues and r&b. Everything travels in cycles and is built upon the past as Pandemic has pointed out. Lets not forget the Beatles lost a suite against them by Chuck Barry for copyright infringement, for instance.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHALLAH JUSTICE
This really is a silly thread. British have contributed a lot to music, no question. So what?
Jimi Hendrix
The Doors
Muddy Waters
Bo Didley
Parliment
Frank Zappa
James mothafuckin Brown
Chuck Barry
Elvis Presley
The Beach Boys
Rage Against the Machine
Metallica,etc, etc, etc
I could on for days with a list of great rock/funk/blues greats from America. You know what? I can't play guitar or drums for shit. The fact that its American music really is just to say that we've established environments here that are conducive to black communities doing what they can to exercise their pain and frustration and transform it into something magical which in-turn influenced the entire world. But that's got nothing to do with me.
When you break it down, almost every form of modern-day popular music has its origins in the black communities of America in so way or another.
Where would Jungle be w/out this joint right here?
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I missed him saying that. The Ramones is as punk as it fuckin get smh. It's like he's trying to say you're not punk if you don't sound like the Sex PistolsQuote:
Originally Posted by Mal
Very first sentence in Wikipedia,
The Ramones were an American rock band that formed in Forest Hills, Queens, New York in 1974 and are often cited as the first punk rock group.
Not to mention The Sex Pistols are garbage compared to The Ramones. That's really a matter of opinion though....
The point is that there was a thriving punk scene in New York before it exploded in the U.K.
Fair enough, but it was us who catapulted it into popular culture and defined the sound, plus we shaped post punk as well.
All i am saying is that we went hard when it came to da musik.
New York Dolls came before The Ramones..
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did you, did you really?? I'm thinkin your position is a bit over-stated.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHALLAH JUSTICE
Buzzcocks, The clash and Pistols are the first names that come to mind for the majority of people regarding the first punk bands.
The Ramones are less known.
you guys are also confusing what innovative is.
the beatles would be called innovative for adding sitars and indian themes to their music. but is that really innovative or is that white ppl believing nothing exists until they do it?
the things a lot of these ppl call innovative have been around for ever, have been done elsewhere or as trivial alterations of things that were already there
not undermining the music of any country or culture, british music is often the shit, but i find that a lot of european music calls itself innovative cause they have a bone white bitch in the video getting milk poured on her in reverse while wearing odd clothing.
this isn't innovative.
also, it's all subjective but as far of saying something is innovative, that's factual, and nobody has been as innovative, truly innovative, as the americans.
what?Quote:
Buzzcocks, The clash and Pistols are the first names that come to mind for the majority of people regarding the first punk bands.
The Ramones are less known.
biased.
Nah man, i'm not biased at all.
It's true the Sex Pistols and The Clash are generally more well known then the Ramones, i never said they were better musically, but just more well known.
Those are the two bands that people usually subscribe to the punk explosion of the seventies.
you are biased, because all that reflects is what may be the prevailing viewpoint on your side of the water. over here, the ramones are just as well known as the clash and the sex pistols, if not moreso.
this whole thread reflects a regional bias. think globally and consider this:
the percentage of british music on your ipod reflects nothing more than your than musical taste.Quote:
how much excellent, 'innovative', 'groundbreaking' music and musical styles do you think we are all completely oblivious to because it's either not sung in english, or was only well dsitributed in non-english speaking countries?
and this sentence
doesn't really make sense.Quote:
Those are the two bands that people usually subscribe to the punk explosion of the seventies.
Do i have state this is my personal opinion every time?
Take it for granted.
Regarding Ramones being more popular in America, fair enough, however in europe the aforementioned bands are more popular and are usually attributed to bringing punk to the mainstream.
how much excellent, 'innovative', 'groundbreaking' music and musical styles do you think we are all completely oblivious to because it's either not sung in english, or was only well dsitributed in non-english speaking countries?
^^who ever said that nailed it.
we in the west tend to think shit doesn't exist until we do it and this is why we think where just blazing the path on innovation for greatness.
i can tell you know the biggest act in the world is P-Square, and there's numbers and stats to prove it, but you're going to look at me as a jackass cause they're not known in your country.
the same way i literally have no fucking clue as an who or what WestLife is, but i guess i one point these niggas were the macadamian nut. You can easily say british ppl make the best music but it would be ignorant to not take in consideration you're in england.
Dude, you said:Quote:
Do i have state this is my personal opinion every time?
Take it for granted.
Regarding Ramones being more popular in America, fair enough, however in europe the aforementioned bands are more popular and are usually attributed to bringing punk to the mainstream.
This is not the expression of a personal opinion. This also shows the fallacy of your argument...British groups are more influential and innovative because they are more well known and popular in Britain than their American counterparts.Quote:
It's true the Sex Pistols and The Clash are generally more well known then the Ramones, i never said they were better musically, but just more well known.
One thing I do take for granted is that the amount of condescension used by someone in a serious discussion, in lieu of a legitimate argument, is usually inversely proportional to their level of intelligence.