Marvel's Best Martial Artist/Hand 2 Hand Combatant?

Let's have another fan boy discussion about who's Marvel's best fighter.

Some things to consider, powered down or depowered.

Here goes my list.

Wolverine- Wolverine is an exceptional hand-to-hand combatant, having mastered virtually every fighting style on Earth
http://marvel.com/universe/Wolverine

Shang-Chi -Shang-Chi is one of the world's most adept combatants, trained in all known martial arts.
http://marvel.com/universe/Shang-Chi

Iron Fist - Iron Fist is an exceptional athlete, acrobat, and hand-to-hand combatant. He is a master of all of K'un-Lun's martial arts and many of Earth's, trained in the use of virtually all martial arts weapons.
http://marvel.com/universe/Iron_Fist...#ixzz1RLvudmfE

Daredevil
Through a combination of the tutelage of Stick and self-training, Daredevil is a master of a unique martial art form, which is a hybridized form of American boxing and the Japanese arts of ninjutsu, judo and aiki-jujutsu.
http://marvel.com/universe/Daredevil_(Matthew_Murdock)

Captain America
Captain America had mastered the martial arts of American-style boxing and judo, and had combined these disciplines with his own unique hand-to-hand style of combat. He had also shown skill and knowledge of a number of other martial arts.
http://marvel.com/universe/Captain_America

Now if you took away all there powers and had them kung-fu fighting, Wolverine would kick everyone's ass. Why? Because he mastered all fighting types on earth. So why is he always shown getting his ass beat?

I don't know thoughts? Should Black Panther or Moon Knight be on here? Fuck it Wolverine owns all end thread.

danny rand is the best martial artist in the marvel u.

why?

because he knows k'un l'un martial arts. these are the secret styles. the masterful killing techniques. people like shang-chi know earthly martial arts, and cant defend his techniques.
iron fist knows how to defend all known martial arts. he is the living weapon.

so, if we're having a straight up martial arts fight with no powers, iron fist comes out on top.

and yes, moon knight and panther should be added. both badasses. but panther took a iron fist technique once when danny was possessed of some shit. got his ass kicked and suffered a brain injury that was supposed to kill him in the future. all from iron fist.

you could add the living weapons too.

they're badasses.

A rand-murdock fight would be ill. Wolvie v Rand would be ill too. Id like to see wolverine without the comfort of his healing factor or adimantium bones.
Id concur with moon knight n panther but they just arent up to par. Theyre almost like an "every-man"

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Originally Posted by main_man

danny rand is the best martial artist in the marvel u.

why?

because he knows k'un l'un martial arts. these are the secret styles. the masterful killing techniques. people like shang-chi know earthly martial arts, and cant defend his techniques.
iron fist knows how to defend all known martial arts. he is the living weapon.

so, if we're having a straight up martial arts fight with no powers, iron fist comes out on top.

and yes, moon knight and panther should be added. both badasses. but panther took a iron fist technique once when danny was possessed of some shit. got his ass kicked and suffered a brain injury that was supposed to kill him in the future. all from iron fist.

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I never looked at it like that interesting take on the subject.

I think moon knight is over rated as a fighter, but I haven't really read too much of his books.

i guess mr. bendis was reading this thread and decided to have a little fun with us. lol

iron fist vs wolvie sparring.

http://i.newsarama.com/images/newavn...nt_lr_0002.jpg


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FD79PKPSHb...rv9420_pg3.jpg

http://i.newsarama.com/images/newavn...nt_lr_0004.jpg


and then he proceeds to have squirrel girl kick wolvies ass sparring.
so now i guess shes a contender too. lol