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RNS gave 'em the loop
In the credits it says "arranged, scored, and mixed by Prince Paul"
I don't see what the beef is. This happens all the time in Hip Hop.
Why not give credit to the original piece you sampled? You leave that out. Seems kind of hypocritical.
This kind of argument can go on indefinitely. Heatmakerz used to buy the records they sampled from Moodie's Records here in NorthEast Bronx. Should record stores get credited?
But what about the demo track "Enter The Wu-Tang?"
He made the beat not credited as a "producer"
pro·duce
/prəˈd(y)o͞os/
- 1.
make or manufacture from components or raw materials.- 2.
cause (a particular result or situation) to happen or come into existence.
Its also the song featuring rzas guys on it. Giving rza credit is not a stretch. Tho id be interested in what the credits on wu albums would look like if rza gave credit like this to true math and 4th cuz of all the”got those from his crates” rumors that been floating for years.
This has been known for a while now. Here’s a piece from an interview I did with Prince Paul a few years ago...
P82: Diary Of A Madman is probably one of your best known songs. Can you tell me how the situation with the production credits happened…? Because you actually produced the track right…?
PAUL: Yeah I mean what got it twisted… I’ll explain how it happened… RZA came in with this sample and we were like yo that’s crazy let’s use that. RZA was like I don’t know, it’s not mine, I didn’t loop this up my man RNS who lives around my way did it. I was like yo, ask him if we can use it. RZA said man we gonna have to give him credit, we gonna have to break him off a little bit and give him some credit. I said yo whatever it takes to get the loop. So when we looped it, we didn’t even get the real loop, we just took it off the cassette. I said yo ask him what the sample is. He was like… he got it from a car commercial. I said what?! Get outta here! RNS wouldn’t disclose what the sample was at the time. So I looped it up and added a beat and stuff to it. I took it, programmed the beat, recorded all the vocals, arranged all the vocals and that’s when I met Shabazz The Disciple and Killah Priest, they came down to the studio. Shabazz heard the beat, just the beat and the loop and he wanted to rhyme on it and he killed it! He was the first one rhyming on that song and the guys didn’t know how to follow it because it was too crazy. There was no concept to the song, just his rhyme. So I had to sit down and figure out how I could make this cohesive because there’s no hook, there’s no concept. So I came up with the courtroom thing and then I wrote out that part. When all the rhymes were on I put the courtroom part on and I never told them what I was going to do. I played it for all of them and they were like yo, how did you come up with that idea, that’s crazy! How did you link all that together! It was just an idea I came up with. I took it, recorded the vocals, mixed it and at the end of the day I didn’t care about credit, I just worried about the record getting out. Technically RNS was never there, we used his sample and it was through RZA because it was RZA’s connect so then RZA got credit but the person who actually put the whole song together was me, haha. So I never got the proper credit but I didn’t care. If it’s gonna take RNS to get credit for this so we can use the sample, because it was dope and I had no idea what it was, RZA had no idea what it was, so RNS was the only person that had a link to that sample. Now I know what it is but back then I didn’t know what it was. It all worked out. So when I see people like oh RNS and RZA killed the track... I’m like what?! Even the production sounds like me, you can tell. RZA and RNS ain’t gonna come up with the whole courtroom scene, it’s not their style. But it all worked out in the end, haha.
Here’s the full interview... goes in depth on the first Gravediggaz album
http://pattch82.blogspot.com/2013/08...-july.html?m=1
Peace!
This has been known. Prince Paul produced a lot of stuff on that album.
Rza gets too much credit for things IMO! Prince Paul made Gravediggaz, he founded the group and produced their first album. Rza was just an MC!
You can hear Prince Paul’s influence on Tical.
peace
I remember buying a Nat King Cole greatest hits vinyl and randomly stumbling upon that sample. good times
^^^^THISQuote:
Originally Posted by Sense-A
another case of dudes wanting relevance now, especially with that documentary out and all
as far as I can remember it's not Nat King Cole sample but Johnny MathisQuote:
Originally Posted by Mumm Ra
sho you right I got them mixed up lol. randomly found it nonetheless
Rns provided the loop.
Prince Paul provided the beat and concept.
RZA got the personnel. Bringing Shabazz on this made everyone up their game on this.
This is a co-production all the way.
Shabazz’ verse is just as memorable as Decks Triumph verse (maybe even more so?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythrandir