You people fail to understand that we as humans are flawed! People fail to understand that we are violent by nature. When the chips are down and when money gets short, people will kill without mercy. We are animals! God and Jesus knew this. To contain us with religious beliefs is silly. As I stated before, we're given free will.
Do as you please!
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You fail to understand anything, dumbass.Originally Posted by IrOnMaN
you've misunderstood my comments.
albert says we shouldnt do things based on fear and punishment and hopes of reward right after saying we should base our ethical behavior on those very things. in fact, its by those very things that atheists feebly attempt to conjure up a moral standard.
jail, social exile, failure, etc = punishment
relationships, success, freedom, etc = rewards
anyone killing for a 'god' isnt doing it for the God of the bible.
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Please don't troll me, Sosa.
Is this so? In the bible, it states God had people kill for him. David, Joshua, etc.
Loyalty is Royalty. Strength and Loyalty
If we are flawed then the god of the bible made us that way, yeah? What's up with that?
We are given free will? By whom? Were we given it like a gift? So there was a time when we didn't have free will before we were "given" free will?
If it is our nature to be violent (hypothetically speaking of course, my nature is certainly not violent) then what good is the gift of free will? By definition we are fighting a losing battle from the start. A battle that we were thrown into by the bible god.
The ultimate point being that a god who sets his supposed most beloved creation up for failure, then get's angry and vengeful when they inevitably fail, but then demands worship so that he might "save" them (from himself), is a psychotic, neurotic and confused being. And those that blindly follow him....? What did Yashu'a/Jesus say about the blind leading the blind?
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No i understood that. Alberts point is you should make your own decisions based on what happens in REAL life.
Seriously 6 billion of you motherfuckers, which group of yalls religion is right and which ones are kidding themselves?
God punished people and nations for their sin and in some cases used means to do it, like other people and other nations.
no one who is apart of the new testament church under the headship of Jesus Christ has warrant to harm anyone.
Christianity = White Supremacy
there's one true God and 5.9999..billion forms of idolatry.
this would only be a valid point if the sin you commit wasnt exactly what you desired to do.
Christianity = White Supremacy
No there isn't a god. Don't be ridiculous.
No. It's still a valid point. If one desires to do wrong then according to your religion the Bible god created us with that desire. So the point still stands.
If we want to get into a true understanding of what a desire is then we will see that desires are not an accurate representation of the heart of a man when he has been subject to millennia after millennia of psychological conditionings by the very people who created your religion. Time and again countless examples of wise men and sages, mystics and shamans who have been prepared to run the gauntlet of their own shadow, who do the necessary work of stripping away the conditionings placed upon them have shown that man will naturally desire righteousness.
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Christianity = White Supremacy
there's also no big bang or instance where one animal changes into a completely different kind of animal.
these are also ridiculous.
Christianity = White Supremacy
From our current scientific knowledge a big bang seems likely although we don't have the full picture yet.
And nobody said animals change into completely new species, rather it happens through slight mutations and survival of the fittest of those mutations.
The fact that these things might be untrue is no reason to join a cult because you can't make sense of your life. They prey on the weak.
This is exactly what the Bible says happens:
Exodus 9:12 - But the Lord hardened pharaoh's heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the Lord had said to Moses.
Not only did the Bible god harden pharaoh's heart he did it just to make his prediction correct. The acts of a petty, non-omniscient god. Not to mention the psychopathy involved in toying with the very soul and fate of a man. But that is just one example. According to the bible non of us have any choice as to whether we are saved from this god's punishment.
Ephesians 1:4 - For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will...
John 6:65 - "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”
According to the Bible I have no "deep down". My destiny and my heart (my desires) are decided by the Bible god.
You have no idea of the definitions of the words you are even using. How can you say that these people are truly doing what they want to when you say they are conditioned? If they are being conditioned, especially in the case of it being against their free will, (although the verse above prove that you shouldn't even believe in such a thing according to the bible, though I'm sure it implies that we have free will else where in there somewhere. Another of the many contradictions of that "book") then they cannot be said to be necessarily "doing what they want".
You also completely disregarded my statement saying that the mystic, Wiseman etc. have freed themselves from their conditionings by saying that they are conditioned. If you are going to completely skew the particulars of my comments how do you think you will ever understand the point?
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