Is The Quran The words of The God....?

[BlaK FuRYaN]

Students of knowledge, when you have the time, please drop a brief thread on weather you believe the Quran is the words of The God or not...

please state weather youv'e read the Quran or not before sharing your views...

For those who have read the Quran, please state your views
For those who haven't read the Quran, but may have read literiture concerning the Quran, please state the conclusion from your evaluations on weather you believe the Quran to be the words of The God or not...

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[Aqueous Moon]

The Quran is knowledge, all knowledge must be defragmented and inspected to bring about understanding of that knowledge...

Never take anything on face value...I don't care what form it comes in.

Words are a funny thing. They can be misinterpreted, they can have double meanings, they can also be mistranslated.

The great thing about the Quran is the numeric significance applied within the surrahs.

Math is so much more universal than words. Numbers have a fixed value that never change.

This is something I learned about the Quran that I thought was very interesting and important...

God is an architect, math controls the universe...words are way too fickle.

[BlaK FuRYaN]

The Quran is knowledge, all knowledge must be defragmented and inspected to bring about understanding of that knowledge...

Never take anything on face value...I don't care what form it comes in.

Words are a funny thing. They can be misinterpreted, they can have double meanings, they can also be mistranslated.

The great thing about the Quran is the numeric significance applied within the surrahs.

Math is so much more universal than words. Numbers have a fixed value that never change.

This is something I learned about the Quran that I thought was very interesting and important...

God is an architect, math controls the universe...words are way too fickle.

peace yo.
I'm also aware of the numerical signicance in the surah's of the Quran, but haven't gone deep into it yet.
The Quran can be understood from all levels of understanding, from a scholastic understanding to the lowest level of comprehention.
Not every one can comprehend the arithmatics behind the Quran like how you can and other scholars can...

Numbers are important. I agree
But can numbers instruct a Muslim on how he/she is suposed to worship
The God?

Words can be fickle, i agree, especially translated words which can be played around with to give different meaning (example the Bible)

But The God revealed the Quran in Arabic which(the words) are infallable and every musllim on earth prays in Arabic.

[Aqueous Moon]

Peace Blak

That's a very good point you brought up, about the Arabic language.

I think I agree with you on that. However, how is it that the orthodox Muslims like the Arabs derive a completely different understanding from the Quran than we do?...(Nation Of Gods and Earths).

I mean, arabic is their native tounge and yet they still refer to Allah as some kind of omnipotent spook.

We use universal supreme mathematics to increase our understanding of the Truth and have discovered a more universal understanding of the same words.

That makes me think that some people are taking the words in the Quran on face value.

So, I ask you...Who is doing that, them or us?

[Koolish]

i haven't read the Qur'an but have read about it.

now from what i know, it was given to Mohammed from Gabriel, so if that happened, then it is the words of allah.

from a theological point of view, i don't know if it has been proven (i read this in a text book), mohammed grew up in an area with lots of Jews and Christians, preached his own word and followers later wrote it down.
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[BlaK FuRYaN]

Peace Blak

That's a very good point you brought up, about the Arabic language.

I think I agree with you on that. However, how is it that the orthodox Muslims like the Arabs derive a completely different understanding from the Quran than we do?...(Nation Of Gods and Earths).

I mean, arabic is their native tounge and yet they still refer to Allah as some kind of omnipotent spook.

We use universal supreme mathematics to increase our understanding of the Truth and have discovered a more universal understanding of the same words.

That makes me think that some people are taking the words in the Quran on face value.

So, I ask you...Who is doing that, them or us?

peace bro

if the mathematics derived from the Qur'an brings you to the universal truth that "Theres none worthy of worship but Allah and prophet Muhammad peace be upon is His last messenger" then prais be to Allah.

If these Arabs and anyone else for that matter refer to Allah in a way thats different to the way Allah referes to Himself in His Quran, then there understanding of Allah is incorrect.

There are commands by Allah in His Qur'an for Muslims to take heed to, which can only be taken in by the simple Muslim at face value.
whats lawful and unlawful
rights between the husband and wife
purifying the heart 7 body ect.

Mathematics might not be able to and might be abit difficult for muslims whose intellect cannot comprehend the arithmatic...

Allah said This Qur'an is for men of understanding, so take heed. It's not supposed to baffle man.

My point is there's a range of commands and warnings and tidings which need to be understood by the muslim and taken in at face value.

please define to me what a SPOOK is when u have time

peace

[BlaK FuRYaN]

i haven't read the Qur'an but have read about it.

now from what i know, it was given to Mohammed from Gabriel, so if that happened, then it is the words of allah. that's right!

from a theological point of view, i don't know if it has been proven (i read this in a text book), mohammed grew up in an area with lots of Jews and Christians, preached his own word and followers later wrote it down.

Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him did'nt have his own words to preach.
Everything he spoke of was revealed to him in the Qur'an, which was later compiled into what we have now.

Prophet Muhammad did migrate to Medina where the jews were expecting his arrival.
They (jews) were expecting his arrival becuase Allah mentioned to the jews in there scripture (Tawrah) about the advent of prophet muhammad pbuh.

When he came the jews were supposed to accept prophet muhammad but instead rejected him becuase he wasn't one of them(not a jew) but an arab. (Rasicm)

Remember, prophet muhammad was an illiterate, he could niether read or write, so he could not have breach anything from the previous scriptures from Isa(Jesus)pbuh or Musa(moses) pbuh

[LORD NOSE]

i have read the Quaran a few times - its a great book - feels like it speaks directly to you - the bible has the same effect, buts its effect is more distant - not as potent - is it from ALLAH ? - why ask us this -

[LHX]

the quran is no more the word of god than all the posts in this forum


this is like the argument about eating processed foods instead of taking the fruit from the tree

god is the apple
when you cook the apple
you are altering its original state

when you cook and add ingredients
you are further altering its original state

when you cook
and separate some portions
and add ingredients
you are even further altering its original state

when you cook
separate
add
and re-package
it is even further altered




the english language is still the word of god
except at this point
it is diluted
confused
ugly
and awkward




the word of god is what you hear when you arent trying to listen to anything

[LORD NOSE]

is Jabril/GabriEL ALLAH ?

didn't muhammad speak what was revealed to him from Jabril to the people ?

then the people later wrote down what muhammad said to them ?


did they understand him correctly ?

were there any, who had their hands in the writings, really against Muhammad but played like they was for him ?


does not the Quaran say that it confirms the scripture that came before it ?


if its a conformation of another book before it, can you really comprehend its intent without reading the scripture before it -


ponder on those things if you dare - and let us know your findings -

those of us who seek the truth will lose our religions (reli on jinns) in a heart beat or faster

[Aqueous Moon]

peace bro

if the mathematics derived from the Qur'an brings you to the universal truth that "Theres none worthy of worship but Allah and prophet Muhammad peace be upon is His last messenger" then prais be to Allah.

If these Arabs and anyone else for that matter refer to Allah in a way thats different to the way Allah referes to Himself in His Quran, then there understanding of Allah is incorrect.

There are commands by Allah in His Qur'an for Muslims to take heed to, which can only be taken in by the simple Muslim at face value.
whats lawful and unlawful
rights between the husband and wife
purifying the heart 7 body ect.

Mathematics might not be able to and might be abit difficult for muslims whose intellect cannot comprehend the arithmatic...

Allah said This Qur'an is for men of understanding, so take heed. It's not supposed to baffle man.

My point is there's a range of commands and warnings and tidings which need to be understood by the muslim and taken in at face value.

please define to me what a SPOOK is when u have time

peace

Peace Blak,

Just for clarifications, I am a wombman.

Why would anybody need to take anything on face value ? That's what I am saying about the difference between words and math.

Taking words in the Quran on face value causes pain and confusion. For a muslim to take words on face value because they can't understand their real meaning is unproductive. The muslim must increase his understanding.

A spook is a ghost or a being that is not material. I use the word to mean a mystery God, whom I can't see.
Peace

[LORD NOSE]

you can only see god in the 5th dimesion mr.spock has to take you there - when you get there, there will be this big fire looking glowing energy type of thing - thats god - it will speak to you in a james earl jones type of voice -

thou art thitheth foreth the cometh - and then you'll turn pale white from fear - then mr. spock will take you back home on his space back costume

[Aqueous Moon]

LOL yeah, star trek! I'm digging it!

[BlaK FuRYaN]

Peace Blak,

Just for clarifications, I am a wombman.

Why would anybody need to take anything on face value ? That's what I am saying about the difference between words and math.

Taking words in the Quran on face value causes pain and confusion. For a muslim to take words on face value because they can't understand their real meaning is unproductive. The muslim must increase his understanding.


A spook is a ghost or a being that is not material. I use the word to mean a mystery God, whom I can't see.


Peace

Taking words in the Quran on face value causes pain and confusion. For a muslim to take words on face value because they can't understand their real meaning is unproductive. The muslim must increase his understanding.
Can you show me how what ever mathematics you have, has given you a better understanding or the real meaning of the Quran and how it has brought you to the truth please. you need to to teach me this!


A spook is a ghost or a being that is not material. I use the word to mean a mystery God, whom I can't see.

okay so if there was something tangible which represented Allah would you worship it...?

[7EL7]

SOMEHOW THE WORD WORSHIP DOESN'T SIT RIGHT WITH ME