There are no classic Wu albums without Rza

**noel411** · 07-27-2015, 01:12 AM

All the classic Wu-Tang Clan and solo albums are classics because of Rza. It is because of his production that they're classic. No Clan member has made a classic album unless Rza was executive producer.

I guess the only kind of exception would be 'Supreme Clientele', where most of the credit probably belongs to Ghost. I'm not exactly sure. I'm not a Wu nerd who knows the detailed story behind every album. Maybe Rza deserves most the credit for that one too? I don't know.

But every other Wu classic is classic because of Rza.

I guess that's pretty obvious. Just saying.

**The Hound** · 07-27-2015, 01:37 AM

Didn't RZA produce half of Supreme Clientele anyway? Ghostface is the only one to put out dope shit without RZA the rest busted

**Frank Drebin** · 07-27-2015, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by noel411

All the classic Wu-Tang Clan and solo albums are classics because of Rza. It is because of his production that they're classic. No Clan member has made a classic album unless Rza was executive producer.

I guess the only kind of exception would be 'Supreme Clientele', where most of the credit probably belongs to Ghost. I'm not exactly sure. I'm not a Wu nerd who knows the detailed story behind every album. Maybe Rza deserves most the credit for that one too? I don't know.

But every other Wu classic is classic because of Rza.

I guess that's pretty obvious. Just saying.

**Frank Drebin** · 07-27-2015, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by The Hound

Didn't RZA produce half of Supreme Clientele anyway? Ghostface is the only one to put out dope shit without RZA the rest busted

Shakey Dogs is a top5 Ghost Song all time for me, not sure which cunt produced it but some good cunt did

**zooruka** · 07-27-2015, 01:52 AM

That's why RZA is KONY. Which in my opinion, is more than just being a G.O.A.T mc.

**The Hound** · 07-27-2015, 02:11 AM

Agreed ^^

Originally Posted by Frank Drebin

Shakey Dogs is a top5 Ghost Song all time for me, not sure which cunt produced it but some good cunt did

It's a sick cunt beat bruh

**Punch** · 07-27-2015, 06:34 AM

RZA was heavily involved in Supreme Clientele, just not on the production end of it.

**The blackma** · 07-27-2015, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by The Hound

Didn't RZA produce half of Supreme Clientele anyway? Ghostface is the only one to put out dope shit without RZA the rest busted

Yeah Rza only produced 3 or 4 songs on this album but he mixed and arranged the songs and was very involved in this project. This album really sounded like a Rza produced shit because he "re-worked" the beats and made the all shit sounded cohesive. It was really a Rza-Ghost Project. At this time they were very close.

**The blackma** · 07-27-2015, 08:49 AM

I do think Rza was involved in the best wu projects. What he did with the first wu albums (solos or group shit) was just incredible. He was a beast ! I don't forget he was involved in the 2 first gravediggaz albums too. I think the true RZA died arround 2000 and now we deal with Robert Diggs. He really lost it !

**tekunique** · 07-27-2015, 09:07 AM

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**BISHOP BLOODSHOT** · 07-27-2015, 11:13 AM

I disagree. Its not just because of rza s production. If thats the case why isnt bobby digital classic or tical? Ironman isnt a certified classic either imo. Supreme clientele is classic because of allah maths production for the most part. Rza is essential but The MCs elevated rza s production. Especially gza s liquid swords as a prime example and the purple album. Wutang to me is celebrated for their lyrics, even to this day. And all other members made classics without him (imo)

**TSA** · 07-27-2015, 11:28 AM

I think it's a more even combination of both like the guy above me said. Liquid Swords without it's lyrics aren't classic in my opinion. The beats are just ok, with some being exceptional. You can't tell me songs like BIBLE, Labels, Killah Hils, Gold, Shadow Boxing, damn near the whole album, find even 20% of their value in the beat alone. Gza's lyrics made Liquid Swords, outside of 4th Chamber and a few others, had those beats been given to any other MC the odds of it being an average album are high. Mind you the beats are SICK..

I also feel Tical is a classic though, and wouldn't be so without Method Man's flow and delivery as well as random references and sing song moments. If you compare puffy's version of Your All I Need and Method Man's you see that Wu members can very well make classic material with out Rza, they just have bad taste as individuals.

Rza's best pre-Forever production was on Ironman. I don't think it's up for debate because that album leans more heavily on it's instrumentals than others and there's more range, clarity and dimension in the way that album sounds. If other albums were 'better' it was because the lyrics and content (which I would say CL and Liquid Swords) but Rae didn't get the beats Rza was giving Ghost. You can't say it's the production that made the albums classic when all the production was made to be minimalistic so that you can hear the rapper.