I hope a better tomorrow isn't the last group album

[zooruka]

Life goes on..

I think Cilva has forgotten why people start making music. Hint: It's not to please themselves or make artistic statements.

I'll leave @ that, otherwise this argument could go on for 88 yrs Ahahahahaha

Peace

[zooruka]

One last artistic statement ! lol

What makes this even worse, is when you hear Ghost say things like " I murdered everything I was on"

Cilva sell one copy, but drop the 88yr clause man. (For the fans).

P.s is the museum tour thing still happening ?

Peace

[Cilvaringz]

Plenty of people enjoyed your stuff, even me.

Did you enjoy the Mental Chambers 2, 3 and 4?

[Frank Drebin]

Let me ask yall a question and try answering for real. If you had the money, like proper millions laying around, would you have bought it or considered buying it?

Honestly wouldnt consider it

[Cilvaringz]

But you announced it initially as the album the fans had been waiting for, and made it with their input...then announced they'd never hear it.

Of course you'll probably achieve some of your aims, like inspiring debate and making people think of creative ways to release music...but you've also basically stated that an artist will need to go such extreme lengths to get their art noticed, which is counter productive to the medium, and what you say you're trying to achieve.

By the way, you've never actually said why you don't want anyone to hear it? If one of the reasons why you'd adopted this approach was to 'reattach monetary value' then why would you care what happens to the album after you'd been paid for the initial sale?

I argued this point a while back, saying that even though a person/artist might interact with the other end and share ideas and thoughts, it doesn't mean ideas or concepts may not or cannot change. And if they do, after an exciting promise then sure it's ok to feel disappointment, that's all understandable. But to go as far as demanding it because somehow 'we' or 'I' have no right to withhold or change it because the opposite party feels entitled to it because of a 20 year support, that's wrong in my opinion. Now I'm not gonna speak for the Clan here, but for the sake of argument, the whole "we supported you" card or the "you wouldn't be shit without us" card, is really a flawed card to play. That's like running to the electrical company saying you paid your electric bill for 20 years and therefore you should be entitled to a free month. Not one business in the world would grant you that. Yet in music somehow the fan will get to the point where he feels he made you, he deserves a part of you, like his support (consumption) counts for more or should count for more than an equal transaction. That's wrong. You can say you supported Wu-Tang for 20 years. And they can equally scream that they provided you for 20 years. And that's the equality that should override the sense of entitlement, from either side. That's one of the interesting analysis points this story brought to the forefront.

And I do believe that artists are forced to go to the extremities of creativity to be heard, noticed or seen. And that's exciting. Look at the attention this story got. Would it have gotten the same attention if it was a regular release like any other? Of course not.

Which brings me to your final question. We explained this in the "88" section of www.scluzay.com If you read the interview, we said that if we allowed the buyer to simply commercialise this album after sale, then it wouldn't be the sale of singular work of art, but rather the sale of a master copy of an album with a very clever and controversial marketing ploy. That would undermine the actual debate we're trying to achieve. Think about it, all it would be is selling a master copy to someone who'd start a label with it. With the ban in place, it remains a singular work of art, like a painting or sculpture would be. Now if he wants to release it for free, there's nothing we can do about that. And if he wants to tour it in museums, that's fine as well because that fits within the artistic concept of this work. But it should be his or her choice whether that happens or not. Not ours. That's why we would hand over that right to the eventual buyer.

[monkeybarz]

there's no point in discussing this album any further until we hear news of it being sold. I wonder, though, if the buyer were to allow a director to use one of the songs in a film or commercial, would that be allowed?

in any case, the question now is whether or not you (Cilva) are going to release music that people can actually listen to? a new album?

[Gitche Manito]

I think Cilva has forgotten why people start making music. Hint: It's not to please themselves or make artistic statements.

On the contrary true artrists always start by trying to please themselves and play with artistic concpets for themsleves first and foremost. Then when they see they are good at it do they consider sharing their work and trying to please other poeple.

[Gitche Manito]

Think about it logically, you put years and years of effort into OUATIS, it's suppose to be G.O.A.T ect ect....but ain't nobody but (One rich person) is ever gonna hear it + Nobody else can hear it, until after 88 yrs ( When we are all dead and nobody will give a damn). Dude, that sounds pretty null and void to me ?

Again I ask, what was the point ? and what have you really achieved ?

P.s I'm not hating, I just find the logic severely flawed.

Peace

It's strange that people are so narrow minded they cannot imagine that 88 years from now there's gonna be Wu-Tang fans that are going to go crazy knowing this album will be released.

[zooruka]

It's strange that people are so narrow minded they cannot imagine that 88 years from now there's gonna be Wu-Tang fans that are going to go crazy knowing this album will be released.

Really ? lol

I don't think there would be Wu tang fans, two years from now, who will go crazy, if this album is released.

[Frank Drebin]

It's strange that people are so narrow minded they cannot imagine that 88 years from now there's gonna be Wu-Tang fans that are going to go crazy knowing this album will be released.

I think its narrow minded thinking that pop culture of today will be relevant in 88 years. Approx 20years since theycame out and no1 gives a shit now

[CharlesJones]

LOL@Zooruka and Frank Drebin hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I agree.

[BrokenWrists]

business

^this

[Gitche Manito]

I think its narrow minded thinking that pop culture of today will be relevant in 88 years. Approx 20years since theycame out and no1 gives a shit now

Shut the fuck up. Wu Tang is forever!

[Frank Drebin]

Shut the fuck up. Wu Tang is forever!

Haha ok enjoy

[Cilvaringz]

If a picture of Billy The Kid can raise this much interest, 138 years after it was taken, and raise this much value, then this Wu-Tang Clan album can have the same impact 88 years from now.