I think Rza needs to go back to eating meat, Banks and Steelz is weak AF

[claaa7]

Yeah. They've been in the music business since the early 90s. So, in terms of being consistent musically, I can understand that they won't drop hits on every project.

look at someone like Miles Davis, making records from 1945 to 1975 (and then from 1981 to 1991), and pretty much every year has one or two albums that are considered a masterpiece or a classic... and he was constantly evolving, he has the best selling jazz album of all time in "Kind Of Blue" and 15 years later he drops "Dark Magus" which has been called one of the heaviest/hardest albums of all time.

just because you've been doing it for a long time is no reason to put out mediocre music

[RADIOACTIVE MAN]

just because you've been doing it for a long time is no reason to put out mediocre music

thank you

[The Hound]

look at someone like Miles Davis, making records from 1945 to 1975 (and then from 1981 to 1991), and pretty much every year has one or two albums that are considered a masterpiece or a classic... and he was constantly evolving, he has the best selling jazz album of all time in "Kind Of Blue" and 15 years later he drops "Dark Magus" which has been called one of the heaviest/hardest albums of all time.

just because you've been doing it for a long time is no reason to put out mediocre music

Dude, comparing Miles Davis to rappers is just absurd, rappers don't have the versatility that a jazz musician has, and BTW don't leave out Miles On The Corner, that album got absolutely shit on from epic heights during its time and was completely shunned from the snobby jazz community yet today it's considered up there as one of his best works. If anything Miles On The Corner kind of relates better with RZA than your example did. Who is to say that in 50 years 8 Diagrams isn't considered one of if not RZA's best work? Yet totally shit on in its time.

[Kutman]

how about this fusion?

Much better

[soul controller]

Much better

interestin, you like this track, but not the ones I posted in this thread?

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=136529

[claaa7]

Dude, comparing Miles Davis to rappers is just absurd, rappers don't have the versatility that a jazz musician has, and BTW don't leave out Miles On The Corner, that album got absolutely shit on from epic heights during its time and was completely shunned from the snobby jazz community yet today it's considered up there as one of his best works. If anything Miles On The Corner kind of relates better with RZA than your example did. Who is to say that in 50 years 8 Diagrams isn't considered one of if not RZA's best work? Yet totally shit on in its time.

i think what's more absurd is that so many hip-hop fans accept their favorite music as something musical lesser than the well recognized genres therefore not putting enough expectations and demands on artists for quality. it is understandable considering how much fucking bullshit is being praised as GENIUS, BRILLIANT and GREAT by hip-hop fans but an album like "Illmatic", "Only Built 4 Cuban Linx..." or "Follow The Leader" is every bit as musical important and sophisticated as "Kind Of Blue", "Sgt. Peppers..." or whatever else masterpiece from other genres. the flow, delivery, passion and writing by the true greats like Rakim and Nas captures me in the same way as a brilliant Coltrane solo... granted, there's very few artists within hip-hop that are actually on that level, but they are out there

[SEMS]

Eating meat? Nah he need to go back to smoking dust & drinking Ballantine lol

On the real I ain't checked the full LP yet, I'll get around to it at some point. Not high on my list of priorities. A lotta good points here about his music tho, but I think this is just flat out the kinda music RZA wants to do right now.

Some people don't have the ability to go back to where they came from musically, and even if RZA can do it, he has to WANT to do it. It's been pointed out here that he's making music for hipsters now, which is cool, but like someone else said hipsters want to hear that grime. They all come from the suburbs, they wanna hear about a life they only seen on tv & in films over beats that scare the shit outta them.

RZA said in interviews & shit that people still want him to make that dark violent shit but that's not him anymore, he's peaceful and at peace with himself. That's all good and everything, but he's also an actor right? He could simply act like the RZArector for a few months & put out a few bangers if he wanted. It's all about putting yourself in that mind frame. But like I said he gotta want it.

In the meantime I'ma keep working.

[Kutman]

interestin, you like this track, but not the ones I posted in this thread?

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=136529

[TSA]

lol at simply act like rzarector. What all his music 'dark' though? Maybe most of it but what was dark on Ironman? Just do Ironman type beats then, advance on them if you want, but don't act like your new music is a rejection of 'violence'

[SEMS]

Lol you know what I mean tho right? Get your mind frame in that zone like you playing a part. If that's what you gotta do.

His whole catalog pre-Bobby Digital was dark, then it started to turn to weird. Ironman dark as hell.

[Mister Yo]

i wouldnt say the beats on Ironman are dark so to speak... they fucking banging though.

you do have a good point in acting like RZArektah.. BUTTT i think dust had a lot to do with that and Bob Digi persona. we aint ever seeing that again.

although at times (in the Giant track) i hear that aggressive flow just the words lack any dope/sick meaning anymore.

[RADIOACTIVE MAN]

i think what's more absurd is that so many hip-hop fans accept their favorite music as something musical lesser than the well recognized genres therefore not putting enough expectations and demands on artists for quality. it is understandable considering how much fucking bullshit is being praised as GENIUS, BRILLIANT and GREAT by hip-hop fans but an album like "Illmatic", "Only Built 4 Cuban Linx..." or "Follow The Leader" is every bit as musical important and sophisticated as "Kind Of Blue", "Sgt. Peppers..." or whatever else masterpiece from other genres. the flow, delivery, passion and writing by the true greats like Rakim and Nas captures me in the same way as a brilliant Coltrane solo... granted, there's very few artists within hip-hop that are actually on that level, but they are out there

Again

Very well said

[ShaDynasty]

i think what's more absurd is that so many hip-hop fans accept their favorite music as something musical lesser than the well recognized genres therefore not putting enough expectations and demands on artists for quality. it is understandable considering how much fucking bullshit is being praised as GENIUS, BRILLIANT and GREAT by hip-hop fans but an album like "Illmatic", "Only Built 4 Cuban Linx..." or "Follow The Leader" is every bit as musical important and sophisticated as "Kind Of Blue", "Sgt. Peppers..." or whatever else masterpiece from other genres. the flow, delivery, passion and writing by the true greats like Rakim and Nas captures me in the same way as a brilliant Coltrane solo... granted, there's very few artists within hip-hop that are actually on that level, but they are out there

What the hell does it mean though? To place 'demands' for 'quality' on an artist. If they're an artist they are creating and not thinking about pandering to their fans. Whats more this shit is all completely subjective. The only thing music has to do is be fun for the listener. If its not fun the listener just finds something else to listen to.

Not every album can rewrite the rulebook on music like those albums you mentioned. If more albums were on that level then those albums wouldn't have the impact or influence that they do.

[THE W]

really? people are still here waiting for these guys to make more classics?

these guys should've stopped making studio material 10 years ago. they're finished; they've been finished. their best bet is to just go the earth wind and fire route and tour. they have classic material up the wazoo from the past. they don't even need to make any more music.

as far as Robert diggs the golden token "black friend" coon, he's BEEN done. between seling black people out on bloomberg for some white daddy biscuits and making garbage music with no-names in an attempt to destroy whatever musical legacy he built, he's not thinking about people who bought his music 20 years ago.

i'm surprised this site is still active. wu-tang is garbage. Heck, rap music as a whole is garbage. it's nothing more coon and jiggaboo music for white people to laugh at and for black people to buckdance.

[soul controller]

really? people are still here waiting for these guys to make more classics?

these guys should've stopped making studio material 10 years ago. they're finished; they've been finished. their best bet is to just go the earth wind and fire route and tour. they have classic material up the wazoo from the past. they don't even need to make any more music.

as far as Robert diggs the golden token "black friend" coon, he's BEEN done. between seling black people out on bloomberg for some white daddy biscuits and making garbage music with no-names in an attempt to destroy whatever musical legacy he built, he's not thinking about people who bought his music 20 years ago.

i'm surprised this site is still active. wu-tang is garbage. Heck, rap music as a whole is garbage. it's nothing more coon and jiggaboo music for white people to laugh at and for black people to buckdance.

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